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Mac Forum / Applications / Word / December 2007Word Exclude Distionary
Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5. For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it excludes is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to "und" when spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und". 1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary. 2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the instructions. None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but what could be the problem? Thanks. <Nostalgic, exasperated sigh> The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has not seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years. Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January... Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge advantage to many of us. Cheers, Clive Huggan Canberra, Australia (My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed) ==================================================== On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article 210ED1B5-EF99-4E92-BE58-6928688AFBFA@microsoft.com, "Bibere" > Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5. > For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it excludes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but what > could be the problem? Thanks. Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been able to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that? (raises one eyebrow quizzically) > <Nostalgic, exasperated sigh> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but what > > could be the problem? Thanks. [Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-) Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"... Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word 2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word X, so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported, including by Word MVPs. Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from the more recent editions -- http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm): "The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it will work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005." Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being correctly spelled." If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about it. Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude dictionary in Word 2004? Cheers, Clive Huggan ============ On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article 0DB8FBF4-AB38-428E-8701-515363C87EFA@microsoft.com, "Bibere" > Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been able > to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that? [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but what >>> could be the problem? Thanks. Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these matters! Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I was given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then, very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago, it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-( I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you (sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas. > [Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > >>> None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but what > >>> could be the problem? Thanks. Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a new doc... What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences, then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the status & it may show up marked again. Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article 3D87B724-78CA-4DE4-9585-08AE8C3BD5A0@microsoft.com, "Bibere" > Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these matters! > Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] >>>>> what >>>>> could be the problem? Thanks. Hiya Bob I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in a) new documents where I type in the word "und" b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether recently or going back years. So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no effect on the problem! > Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring > only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > >>>>> what > >>>>> could be the problem? Thanks. Ehhhh, just a thought:-) Thanks for checking! Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article 2C419B95-43F3-4B49-AF19-B878D0EA106A@microsoft.com, "Bibere" > Hiya Bob > I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> could be the problem? Thanks. Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too long... Clive ====== On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article C3911C0F.2F035%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net, "CyberTaz" <onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net> wrote: > Ehhhh, just a thought:-) Thanks for checking! > [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> could be the problem? Thanks. Hey all, I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004, and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to hear it had been working at all. BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004 can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it up and editing in Word 2004 broke it. NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work" time. :) Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the world. :) Daiya (Mac/Word MVP, too) > Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too > long... [quoted text clipped - 152 lines] >>>>>> >>>> Spot on, Daiya, about "gift to the world"! I was having a vague notion in the X/2004 direction too, but couldn't quite articulate it. It would be good if that were a work-around. I *do* hope MacBU have fixed this in Word 2008. Clive ===== On 22/12/07 8:58 AM, in article uC4esyBRIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl, > Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 195 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>> Although, then I had a thought that maybe it was already broken in Word X, and that the technical reason might have been connected to the move to OS X, so the workaround might have to involve Word 2001, which is *far* more inconvenient. But I'm really not sure. Daiya > Spot on, Daiya, about "gift to the world"! > [quoted text clipped - 221 lines] >>> >>> Yes, I never bothered to get Word X, so I'm patchy there... Clive ====== On 22/12/07 1:46 PM, in article u8IcOTERIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > Although, then I had a thought that maybe it was already broken in Word > X, and that the technical reason might have been connected to the move [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Clive >> ===== Hiya Daiya I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004. But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X, which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is what I did. > Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 179 lines] > > > > If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I reconfigured my computer. They run side-by-side fine. But I wouldn't install Office X after Office 2004--that could get funky. We'll try to check this out via other means, though. A possible workaround for your "und" problem--since AutoCorrect is language-dependent, an English AutoCorrect to correct "und" to something else might serve the same function as the exclude dictionary, of making sure final versions don't include "und". > Hiya Daiya > [quoted text clipped - 197 lines] >>>>>> >>> Hiya Daiya AutoCorrect: sadly won't work as it only autocorrects what you type, not what is already in the text. Much appreciate your help BTW - have a great weekend. > If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do > anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I [quoted text clipped - 211 lines] > >>> > >>> oh, right....I was thinking only about going forward. You can Find and Replace across all open documents. It's also possible to record an F&R as a macro and run it periodically--this is how I fix my habit of still using two spaces between sentences instead of one--quick and easy once set up. > Hiya Daiya > [quoted text clipped - 233 lines] >>>>> >>>>> AutoCorrect only corrects what you type, not what is already in the doc, so the workaround would not be appropriate, sadly. > If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do > anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I [quoted text clipped - 211 lines] > >>> > >>> Sadly, the workaround would not be appropriate as Autocorrect only corrects what you type, not what is already in the doc. > If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do > anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I [quoted text clipped - 201 lines] > >>>>>>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>>>> could be the problem? Thanks. |
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