How do I set up a multi-page document?
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Jill - 22 Jul 2006 02:25 GMT I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages not including the cover page. Each page is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to print the pages to form a booklet that will be printed commercially. So my problem is how to set up the pages so that I will be able to see all the pages at one time, so that I can shift the text around. Thanks, ~Jill
CyberTaz - 22 Jul 2006 05:28 GMT Hi Jill -
Although Word can definitely be used to create booklet-type documents it doesn't work the way you seem to think it does. Before you begin you might want to read the information found here:
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/PagesInWord.html http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsCut.html http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html
And if you decide to proceed in Word you can rely on support from the group. However, that support can only go so far since everyone who participates here does so on a voluntary, as-available basis. IOW, it can't be relied on as a 'crisis hotline' or for intense hand-holding should you need it. There may also be a lot more to learn about Word & how it works before you actually get started. Otherwise you may end up wasting a great deal of time & effort.
I get the impression that this type of project may be new to you, and that perhaps Word is relatively new to you as well. If so, you may want to consider using a program more specifically designed for page layout/desktop publishing work. Your copy can still be produced in Word if you wish, then imported into publishing file for layout - especially if there will be any amount of graphics involved. There is also the option of supplying the content & contracting the job out depending on your budget and time frame.
Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac
On 7/21/06 9:25 PM, in article 1153531521.132342.222150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jill" <jzmelp@aol.com> wrote:
> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages > not including the cover page. Each page is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, > ~Jill Elliott Roper - 22 Jul 2006 09:44 GMT > I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages > not including the cover page. Each page is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to > print the pages to form a booklet that will be printed commercially. > So my problem is how to set up the pages so that I will be able to see > all the pages at one time, so that I can shift the text around. What CybetTaz says...
If you have the time and money, use InDesign CS from Adobé. (after writing most of the copy in Word)
Another cheaper alternative is Pages in Apple's iWork suite. I have not tried it yet, but I imagine it will be far easier to use but may lack some features you require.
I strongly suggest that you confer with your printer/publisher early in the production process. He will have definite views on how to achieve the eventual imposition you require. Almost certainly, he will refuse/charge extra if presented with a Word document. Almost certainly, he will relish InDesign documents. Most base their business round that or Quark Express, which is probably not as good for your purpose and even more expensive.
You *can* do the job in Word, but it will be like herding cats. If you can live with optically reduced type and your printer will accept PDF, then, with aid of program like CheapImposter, you can get the job out the door. Shifting copy from one page to the other and 'seeing' it all at one time is not part of Word's feature set however. It positively frustrates any attempt to keep copy and pages sorted out.
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 22 Jul 2006 15:03 GMT Hi Jill:
As the others have pointed out, page layout is not a job Word is designed to do. Word is a "word processor", which means it is designed to create the raw copy. Word automatically flows text from page 1 to page last. "Pages" are a foreign concept to Word: they do not exist in the file, it creates them on the fly at output time.
A Page Layout programme, on the other hand, creates all 75 pages in the file first, so you have somewhere into which to put your text.
However, assuming Word is what you have, and for cost reasons you are not going to rush out and buy a page layout programme, then let's get started.
The first thing we need to know is how the commercial printer intends to print your booklet. Chances are they're going to print it "two-up, double-sided". We also need to know what size of Paper Stock they're going to use. If you're in the US, this will probably be an Imperial size, anywhere else it will be a metric size: whatever it is, we need to know it now :-) I'm guessing the printer will choose 9 x 12, but they may try to get away with 8 1/2 x 11, which is more common.
Certainly you must know this before we go any further: 8 1/2 x 11 means no trimming by the printer, saving you money, but it puts the acid on you and I to ensure we do not have any elements of the page design too close to the edge.
Each sheet will have page 1 and 4 side-by-side, and pages 2 and 3 side-by-side on the reverse. For this to work, your number of pages must be evenly divisible by 4. So you can have 76 pages in your booklet, or 72 pages, or 80 pages. If you insist on 75 pages, you are going to need a blank 76th page at the end.
So let's create a document and set its paper size using File>Page Setup.
Now we have to decide whether to use linked text boxes or a page impression program. Daiya has an excellent article here discussing the pros and cons: http://word.mvps.org/mac/bookletsfold.html
If you decide to use linked text boxes, get the information I mentioned earlier about the impression layout and paper size and get back to us. We'll tell you how to proceed from there.
Cheers
On 22/7/06 11:25 AM, in article 1153531521.132342.222150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jill" <jzmelp@aol.com> wrote:
> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages > not including the cover page. Each page is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, > ~Jill
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Jill - 24 Jul 2006 17:53 GMT Thanks to all three of you for the information and links. After reviewing everything, and getting an idea of the possibilities within the program, I am ready to go to the printer to see what they require.Sorry, I forgot to mention that I will have this reproduced commercially. It will be coil bound, so each page will be independent from the others. I am going to visit the printer today to get the page size, imposition information, etc. and then I will write again for assistance if necessery. Thanks, Jill
> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages > not including the cover page. Each page is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, > ~Jill Jill - 24 Jul 2006 23:21 GMT John, After speaking with the printer, I found out that they will be using 8.5 x 11" paper. The booklet will be printed 2-up, so that each page will be 5.5 x 8.5. The printer requested that each page be printed with same thing on each side. Then they will cut it in half and collate all the pages together to make two exact and separate booklets.(Actually we will be printing almost 300 total) They will be bound with a coil.
So, my thought is to get your advice on making the linked text boxes, don't you think? I want each page to have the same margins and include page numbers at the bottom. Any further advice on this would be appreciated!! By the way, this is a membership directory, with names and phone numbers on one side, and advertisements on the left side. ~Jill
> Thanks to all three of you for the information and links. After > reviewing everything, and getting an idea of the possibilities within [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks, > > ~Jill John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 28 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT Hi Jill:
Damn! He wants two-up half-size does he?
Photocopier Method
The "easy" way to do this one in Word is to set the page landscape and adjust the margins to produce an impression that is 5.5 x 8.5.
1) File>Page Setup>Microsoft Word>Margins and set the paper to 8-1/2 x 11 in
2) Set the Layout to Landscape, and check Mirror Margins
3) Set the Left margin to half an inch
4) Set the Right margin to half an inch
5) Set the Gutter to 5-1/2 inches (!)
Then print the document as normal.
This produces one page impression per sheet with a gaping "binding margin" of 5-1/2 inches alternating between left and right. If you have a double-sided printer, it prints each page on the left of the sheet, leaving the second impression blank.
When you get to the printer's, he simply puts the entire stack in a photocopier and photocopies the second impression into the blank "margin" on each side.
This method is suitable if your domestic printer will not handle an 8-1/2 x 11 sheet. You can set this up on standard Letter paper, simply adjust the sizes of the margins appropriately.
Text Box Method
If you absolutely insist on doing this using linked text boxes, it's quite straightforward once you know what you're doing. It just takes a little practice to get it right the first time :-)
Start with a blank document...
You need two sets of text boxes...
Follow the procedure in the Word Help topic "Flow stories in parallel, or side-by-side, "columns" from page to page" exactly.
Each text box needs to be a precise size. Instead of creating it by dragging as suggested in the topic, create it at an arbitrary size then explicitly set its size. It needs to be 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 less your margins for headers, footers, and left, right and gutter margins. My guess is that it will end up around 4-1/2 x 7-1/2.
Then copy it and set its position: you need one set flush with the left margin and one set flush with the right margin, using format>Text Box>Layout>Advanced... (left or right) Relative to Margin.
Follow the pair of text boxes with a page break, then copy the set 75 times.
Now run down and link all the boxes on the left of the page one after the other. Then run down and link all the boxes on the right side of the page.
Now: Make sure your text is FINISHED. Utterly finished. Perfect! You do NOT want to have to make any changes after this point. You really DON'T
:-) Copy all of the text from your source document.
Paste it into the top Left text box.
Paste again, into the top Right text box.
Assuming that you have linked them in the correct sequence, Word will flow the text from first box to last box on the left, and first box to last box on the right.
So you have the text two-up, same text each side of each sheet of paper.
You need to create a duplicate running header and footer. To do this, set two tabs in the Header style and two tabs in the Footer style. For example, for the footer, you will want a page number at 5" and one at 10.5" so set tabs there.
Put a {PAGE} field on each tab to show the page number. It will show the same number twice, but increment it for each sheet (which is what you want).
Just a caveat: This kind of layout will not take kindly to being transferred from one computer to another: thinks are inclined to move around. To provide your best protection against that, don't cut things too close to the margins, give yourself a little breathing room. Do all of your formatting with styles. Do not allow any formatting overrides or direct formatting within the text (if you do, you will get some late and miserable nights chasing bits of text from page to page when it all falls to pieces...)
Have a try, then get back to us with your questions.
Cheers
On 25/7/06 8:21 AM, in article 1153779695.894550.186960@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jill" <jzmelp@aol.com> wrote:
> John, > After speaking with the printer, I found out that they will be using [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>> Thanks, >>> ~Jill
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