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How do I set up a multi-page document?

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Jill - 22 Jul 2006 02:25 GMT
I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages
not including the cover page. Each page  is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to
print the pages to form a booklet that will be printed commercially.
So my problem is how to set up the pages so that I will be able to see
all the pages at one time, so that I can shift the text around.
Thanks,
~Jill
CyberTaz - 22 Jul 2006 05:28 GMT
Hi Jill -

Although Word can definitely be used to create booklet-type documents it
doesn't work the way you seem to think it does. Before you begin you might
want to read the information found here:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/PagesInWord.html
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsCut.html
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html

And if you decide to proceed in Word you can rely on support from the group.
However, that support can only go so far since everyone who participates
here does so on a voluntary, as-available basis. IOW, it can't be relied on
as a 'crisis hotline' or for intense hand-holding should you need it. There
may also be a lot more to learn about Word & how it works before you
actually get started. Otherwise you may end up wasting a great deal of time
& effort.

I get the impression that this type of project may be new to you, and that
perhaps Word is relatively new to you as well. If so, you may want to
consider using a program more specifically designed for page layout/desktop
publishing work. Your copy can still be produced in Word if you wish, then
imported into publishing file for layout - especially if there will be any
amount of graphics involved. There is also the option of supplying the
content & contracting the job out depending on your budget and time frame.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

On 7/21/06 9:25 PM, in article
1153531521.132342.222150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jill"
<jzmelp@aol.com> wrote:

> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages
> not including the cover page. Each page  is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to
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> Thanks,
> ~Jill
Elliott Roper - 22 Jul 2006 09:44 GMT
> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages
> not including the cover page. Each page  is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to
> print the pages to form a booklet that will be printed commercially.
> So my problem is how to set up the pages so that I will be able to see
> all the pages at one time, so that I can shift the text around.

What CybetTaz says...

If you have the time and money, use InDesign CS from Adobé. (after
writing most of the copy in Word)

Another cheaper alternative is Pages in Apple's iWork suite. I have not
tried it yet, but I imagine it will be far easier to use but may lack
some features you require.

I strongly suggest that you confer with your printer/publisher early in
the production process. He will have definite views on how to achieve
the eventual imposition you require. Almost certainly, he will
refuse/charge extra if presented with a Word document. Almost
certainly, he will relish InDesign documents. Most base their business
round that or Quark Express, which is probably not as good for your
purpose and even more expensive.

You *can* do the job in Word, but it will be like herding cats.
If you can live with optically reduced type and your printer will
accept PDF, then, with aid of program like CheapImposter, you can get
the job out the door. Shifting copy from one page to the other and
'seeing' it all at one time is not part of Word's feature set however.
It positively frustrates any attempt to keep copy and pages sorted out.
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 22 Jul 2006 15:03 GMT
Hi Jill:

As the others have pointed out, page layout is not a job Word is designed to
do.  Word is a "word processor", which means it is designed to create the
raw copy.  Word automatically flows text from page 1 to page last.  "Pages"
are a foreign concept to Word: they do not exist in the file, it creates
them on the fly at output time.

A Page Layout programme, on the other hand, creates all 75 pages in the file
first, so you have somewhere into which to put your text.

However, assuming Word is what you have, and for cost reasons you are not
going to rush out and buy a page layout programme, then let's get started.

The first thing we need to know is how the commercial printer intends to
print your booklet.  Chances are they're going to print it "two-up,
double-sided".  We also need to know what size of Paper Stock they're going
to use.  If you're in the US, this will probably be an Imperial size,
anywhere else it will be a metric size: whatever it is, we need to know it
now :-)  I'm guessing the printer will choose 9 x 12, but they may try to
get away with 8 1/2 x 11, which is more common.

Certainly you must know this before we go any further: 8 1/2 x 11 means no
trimming by the printer, saving you money, but it puts the acid on you and I
to ensure we do not have any elements of the page design too close to the
edge.

Each sheet will have page 1 and 4 side-by-side, and pages 2 and 3
side-by-side on the reverse.  For this to work, your number of pages must be
evenly divisible by 4.  So you can have 76 pages in your booklet, or 72
pages, or 80 pages.  If you insist on 75 pages, you are going to need a
blank 76th page at the end.

So let's create a document and set its paper size using File>Page Setup.

Now we have to decide whether to use linked text boxes or a page impression
program.  Daiya has an excellent article here discussing the pros and cons:
http://word.mvps.org/mac/bookletsfold.html

If you decide to use linked text boxes, get the information I mentioned
earlier about the impression layout and paper size and get back to us.
We'll tell you how to proceed from there.

Cheers

On 22/7/06 11:25 AM, in article
1153531521.132342.222150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jill"
<jzmelp@aol.com> wrote:

> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages
> not including the cover page. Each page  is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> ~Jill

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John McGhie <john@mcghie.name>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh.  Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

Jill - 24 Jul 2006 17:53 GMT
Thanks to all three of you for the information and links. After
reviewing everything, and getting an idea of the possibilities within
the program, I am ready to go to the printer to see what they
require.Sorry, I forgot to mention that I will have this reproduced
commercially. It will be coil bound, so each page will be independent
from the others. I am going to visit the printer today to get the page
size, imposition information, etc. and then I will write again for
assistance if necessery.
Thanks,
Jill
> I am trying to create a document that will have approximately 75 pages
> not including the cover page. Each page  is 5.5x 8.5 inches. I want to
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> Thanks,
> ~Jill
Jill - 24 Jul 2006 23:21 GMT
John,
After speaking with the printer, I found out that they will be using
8.5 x 11" paper. The booklet will be printed 2-up, so that each page
will be 5.5 x 8.5. The printer requested that each page be printed with
same thing on each side. Then they will cut it in half and collate all
the pages together to make two exact and separate booklets.(Actually we
will be printing almost 300 total)  They will be bound with a coil.

So, my thought is to get your advice on making the linked text boxes,
don't you think? I want each page to have the same margins and include
page numbers at the bottom. Any further advice on this would be
appreciated!! By the way, this is a membership directory, with names
and phone numbers on one side, and advertisements on the left side.
~Jill

> Thanks to all three of you for the information and links. After
> reviewing everything, and getting an idea of the possibilities within
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> > Thanks,
> > ~Jill
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 28 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT
Hi Jill:

Damn!  He wants two-up half-size does he?

Photocopier Method

The "easy" way to do this one in Word is to set the page landscape and
adjust the margins to produce an impression that is 5.5 x 8.5.

1)  File>Page Setup>Microsoft Word>Margins and set the paper to 8-1/2 x 11
in

2)  Set the Layout to Landscape, and check Mirror Margins

3)  Set the Left margin to half an inch

4)  Set the Right margin to half an inch

5)  Set the Gutter to 5-1/2 inches (!)

Then print the document as normal.

This produces one page impression per sheet with a gaping "binding margin"
of 5-1/2 inches alternating between left and right.  If you have a
double-sided printer, it prints each page on the left of the sheet, leaving
the second impression blank.

When you get to the printer's, he simply puts the entire stack in a
photocopier and photocopies the second impression into the blank "margin" on
each side.

This method is suitable if your domestic printer will not handle an 8-1/2 x
11 sheet.  You can set this up on standard Letter paper, simply adjust the
sizes of the margins appropriately.

Text Box Method

If you absolutely insist on doing this using linked text boxes, it's quite
straightforward once you know what you're doing.  It just takes a little
practice to get it right the first time :-)

Start with a blank document...

You need two sets of text boxes...

Follow the procedure in the Word Help topic "Flow stories in parallel, or
side-by-side, "columns" from page to page" exactly.

Each text box needs to be a precise size.  Instead of creating it by
dragging as suggested in the topic, create it at an arbitrary size then
explicitly set its size.  It needs to be 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 less your margins for
headers, footers, and left, right and gutter margins.  My guess is that it
will end up around 4-1/2 x 7-1/2.

Then copy it and set its position: you need one set flush with the left
margin and one set flush with the right margin, using format>Text
Box>Layout>Advanced... (left or right) Relative to Margin.

Follow the pair of text boxes with a page break, then copy the set 75 times.

Now run down and link all the boxes on the left of the page one after the
other.  Then run down and link all the boxes on the right side of the page.

Now:  Make sure your text is FINISHED.  Utterly finished.  Perfect!  You do
NOT want to have to make any changes after this point.  You really DON'T
:-)

Copy all of the text from your source document.

Paste it into the top Left text box.

Paste again, into the top Right text box.

Assuming that you have linked them in the correct sequence, Word will flow
the text from first box to last box on the left, and first box to last box
on the right.

So you have the text two-up, same text each side of each sheet of paper.

You need to create a duplicate running header and footer.  To do this, set
two tabs in the Header style and two tabs in the Footer style.  For example,
for the footer, you will want a page number at 5" and one at 10.5" so set
tabs there.

Put a {PAGE} field on each tab to show the page number.  It will show the
same number twice, but increment it for each sheet (which is what you want).

Just a caveat:  This kind of layout will not take kindly to being
transferred from one computer to another: thinks are inclined to move
around.  To provide your best protection against that, don't cut things too
close to the margins, give yourself a little breathing room.  Do all of your
formatting with styles.  Do not allow any formatting overrides or direct
formatting within the text (if you do, you will get some late and miserable
nights chasing bits of text from page to page when it all falls to
pieces...)

Have a try, then get back to us with your questions.

Cheers

On 25/7/06 8:21 AM, in article
1153779695.894550.186960@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jill"
<jzmelp@aol.com> wrote:

> John,
> After speaking with the printer, I found out that they will be using
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~Jill

Signature

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.  Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <john@mcghie.name>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh.  Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 
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