Why does Word:mac take so long to start up as compared to Windows?
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Marc - 18 Apr 2006 21:47 GMT I'm considering switching from PC to Mac, and I've noticed extremely long startup times for Microsoft Office products, such as Word and Excel, on Mac computers, including the new MacBook Pro.
Word takes less than one second to startup on my PC (two years old, running a 1.2 GhZ Pemtium M). It should take a lot less time on a new mac running a 2 GhZ Intel Core Duo. Why doesn't it? Is there anything I can do to speed it up?
CyberTaz - 19 Apr 2006 06:34 GMT One reason: Mac Office doesn't run natively on Intel Macs - it runs through the Rosetta emulator, so startup will be slower than you may prefer, but all reports I've seen indicate that the programs run well once launched. Once a universal binary version of Office is released I'm certain you will see a dramatic increase.
Other considerations are that the if the systems you're looking at are in-store displays they may have only stock RAM, might not be very well maintained, and are subject to other factors that may inhibit performance.
Also, as a PC-user-too, I have to challenge your "less than one second" to launch Word on a Windows machine... Restore it from the Task Bar, perhaps, if it has already been launched, but not a 'cold' start :)
Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac
On 4/18/06 4:47 PM, in article 6DAB1733-6F35-4211-81FA-2F590692D118@microsoft.com, "Marc"
> I'm considering switching from PC to Mac, and I've noticed extremely long > startup times for Microsoft Office products, such as Word and Excel, on Mac [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 2 GhZ Intel Core Duo. Why doesn't it? Is there anything I can do to speed it > up? mmmmark - 19 Apr 2006 14:17 GMT Winword does start TONS faster than 2004 on a Mac, EVEN if the "optimizing font menu" DOESN'T show up.
Once it's running, it does ok, but some things are still pretty slow. I think it is due to the large quantity of "legacy" and carbon-based code. I'm hoping the next version will be faster, but then again, it will be the new Office formats, so it may not.
Stay tuned and find out! ;-)
> One reason: Mac Office doesn't run natively on Intel Macs - it runs > through [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> speed it >> up? John McGhie - 20 Apr 2006 10:48 GMT Yes, WinWord 2003 does "apparently" start faster on a PC. That's because:
* Usually, it's already running :-) PCs using Word are also usually using Outlook, and Outlook starts a hidden instance of Word when it opens. So Word is already running in the background.
* On the PC, the system loads the fonts, not the application, so there's no fiddling around with fonts on application launch.
Of course, everything the others say is also true: on an Intel Mac, you are not running Word as native code, you are running it through an emulator. This reduces performance by about 75 per cent.
And modern desktop PCs usually go faster than the current MacIntels. Apple purposly held the clock and bus speeds down on the current versions to keep the heat and battery life under control.
Someone in France (no, I don't think it was Corentin...) has just done an interesting hack: running the latest ATI drivers on a MacIntel, he managed to crank the clock speed up to the limits specified by Intel and ATI. In doing so, he improved performance from 60-odd frames per second to 90-odd. There's no word yet on whether his machine has now melted... Seriously, people: DON'T try this at home, you WILL melt your processor unless you really know what you're doing... :-)
On the new iMacs, things move along quite a bit faster because it has a faster hard disk and a faster system bus. But it's still not as quick as the current crop of 3 GHz Pentiums out there.
When Apple starts offering the go-faster Intel Zeons with their 1066 MHz front side bus and 15,000 RPM SATA drives, and Microsoft issues the next version of Office with the Universal binary, expect Messrs Dell and HP to slink quietly out the back door. But those machines have yet to make their debut at Cuppertino...
Cheers
>Winword does start TONS faster than 2004 on a Mac, EVEN if the "optimizing >font menu" DOESN'T show up. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>> speed it >>> up?
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Marc - 19 Apr 2006 18:56 GMT Thanks for the information. I appreciate it.
I'm not sure if your PC system has a lot of background processes running or a slower processor, but on my two-year-old crappy Dell Pentium M, Word takes about one second to load, from the time I double-click, to the time I see a blank document with a blinking cursor ready for typing. And no, I'm not talking about maximizing it from the system tray, I'm talking about starting the program fresh.
I'm just dismayed that it takes so long on the Mac. It's really annoying me to wait while programs load, and I'm not sure if I should have switched.
On the other hand, they tend to crash less frequently, so I guess I save time overall.
> One reason: Mac Office doesn't run natively on Intel Macs - it runs through > the Rosetta emulator, so startup will be slower than you may prefer, but all [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > 2 GhZ Intel Core Duo. Why doesn't it? Is there anything I can do to speed it > > up? John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 27 Apr 2006 13:59 GMT Hi Marc:
A Pentium-M in a Dell runs at up to twice the speed of the Core Duo on the current MacIntels -- and on the MacIntel, you are first waiting for the Rosetta emulator to load and create an environment before it can begin to load Word.
You should also be aware that Word takes a LOT longer than it "appears" to load on a PC. However, Office 97 and later on the PC includes a "pre-load" mechanism that brings most of Office up when Windows boots. When you "start" Word on the PC, effectively all you are doing is making an instance of it "visible" :-)
We're in very early days with the MacIntel (well, you are, I can't afford one ...) You need to understand that nearly ALL of the software out there for the Mac is currently designed to run on the old processor. The fact that the MacIntel performs as well as it does with old software is nothing short of amazing: every single instruction is "back to front" to it, and has to be flipped for use on the Intel processor.
The next generation of software, the "Universal Binaries" will be at least four times faster on your hardware. The next version of Office will be a Universal Binary.
Cheers
On 20/4/06 3:56 AM, in article 93770D0F-4904-4509-AB28-25B07025451B@microsoft.com, "Marc"
> Thanks for the information. I appreciate it. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>> it >>> up?
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