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Mac Forum / Applications / Word / November 2005Can't open a .pub (Publisher??) document in Word
I can see the formatted document in the preview pane of thee 'Open' dialogue box, but when I click 'OK' I'm asked what doc format I want to open it in, and .pub or 'Publisher" isn't in the list. When I try any of the listed formats (text only, rtf, html etc.) except 'Retrieve Text from any document' I get pages of programming gibberish only. Any thoughts how to resolve this? Thanks Hello- As Publisher is only available for Windows, not Mac, I'm betting you slipped in here by accident, huh? However, I work on both platforms & can tell you truthfully that neither PC Word nor Mac Word can open a Publisher file. The programs (Word & Publisher) use totally different file structures. You can place Word doc content into a pub file & you can copy & paste between the two. Regards |:>) On 11/3/05 7:56 PM, in article 1131065798.929603.14740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "TEG" <doug.w.mckinney@gmail.com> wrote: > I can see the formatted document in the preview pane of thee 'Open' > dialogue box, but when I click 'OK' I'm asked what doc format I want to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks PC versions of Pagemaker 7 can open "most" publisher files. Not sure if the Mac version also includes a converter. Just throwing this out in case it might. And another suggestion: Publisher should be able to save a file as a Word document. I don't know how reliable that method is, but still, it's one way of getting the content of a Publisher document into a file that can be read on a Mac. On 04.11.05 13:44, in article O#UoSXU4FHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl, > PC versions of Pagemaker 7 can open "most" publisher files. Not sure if the > Mac version also includes a converter. Just throwing this out in case it > might. Good point, Michael. Unfortunately the only format is as a Word .rtf, so although formatting should be retained no graphic content will be. It can also play havoc with awkwardly positioned section breaks and pagination in general, depending on how complex the .pub layout is. Of course, as the expression goes, where there's a will, there's a way :) Regards |:>) On 11/4/05 11:44 AM, in article BF914079.F279%m_bintener@hotmail.com, > And another suggestion: Publisher should be able to save a file as a Word > document. I don't know how reliable that method is, but still, it's one way [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Mac version also includes a converter. Just throwing this out in case it >> might. Hi Cyber: Graphic content should be preserved in RTF :-) RTF is very close to Word's native binary format. Word can read and save almost everything to and from RTF :-) Publisher should do that too, particularly the later versions of it. But you are quite right: Publisher and Word have a completely different way of expressing a document, so you will get some layout problems. Cheers On 5/11/05 10:25 AM, in article BF915836.9A44%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net, > Good point, Michael. Unfortunately the only format is as a Word .rtf, so > although formatting should be retained no graphic content will be. It can [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> Mac version also includes a converter. Just throwing this out in case it >>> might.  SignaturePlease reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie <john@mcghie.name> Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410 > Graphic content should be preserved in RTF :-) RTF is very close to Word's > native binary format. Word can read and save almost everything to and from > RTF :-) RTF should *NOT* contain any graphic content at all - it's a TEXT only format, which is what the "T" stands for. The two lowest formats are basically: ASCII / Plain text = the text itself without styling or font information RTF (Rich Text Format) = the text plus styling and sometimes font information This is one of the main problems with Word's export files. Word (as usual) decides to re-write the standard and include rubbish such as graphics and tables in it's RTF files, which completely stuffs up in ther applications that don't expect such things in a text format file. I so love it when trolls get it wrong :-) The RTF "standard" is a Microsoft format that Microsoft publishes to enable interchange with its products. In other words, the RTF 'standard' is "whatever Microsoft says it is." If you happen to be an application developer, you would normally qualify the term 'RTF' by mentioning the VERSION you are talking about. The latest published version I know about is RTF 1.6. You can read about it here: <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/ html/rtfspec.asp> The first sentence may be instructive: "The Rich Text Format (RTF) Specification is a method of encoding formatted text _and graphics_ for easy transfer between applications." (my emphasis...) The entire point of the word "Rich" in Rich Text Format was to allow for the presence of things OTHER than characters in the file. RTF really means "A way of describing a file rich with different content types in a language consisting mainly of text." When you write your next RTF reader, don't forget to include support for Binary Blobs: you will encounter a lot of them, in which you will find *any* form of content, some of which will be graphical. Better make sure you know how to handle them :-) If you need help, Microsoft offers a Sample RTF Reader Application at the above URL :-) On 5/11/05 4:24 PM, in article 051120051824418484%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com, "Anybody" <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote: >> Graphic content should be preserved in RTF :-) RTF is very close to Word's >> native binary format. Word can read and save almost everything to and from [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > graphics and tables in it's RTF files, which completely stuffs up in > ther applications that don't expect such things in a text format file. SignaturePlease reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie <john@mcghie.name> Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410 Hello John- Excellent reference... I can't begin to say how surprised I was when I first found this to be the case. The misconception appears to lie in the fact that many other programs will not (cannot) display the graphic content of a .rtf & many programs that save in .rtf _don't_ preserve the graphics. In Access, for example, you can output a Report as a Word .rtf, but only the text content is included. The text retains its formatting, but any lines, images, or graphic effects are disregarded. I must admit that I haven't had the opportunity to play with the _latest_ versions of Publisher in this regard, but I believe that 2000 & earlier worked much the same way. When I get back into the office on Monday I intend to find out. Regards |:>) > Hello John- > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but I believe that 2000 & earlier worked much the same way. When I get back > into the office on Monday I intend to find out. That's because the "Rich" part is MEANT to be the inclusion of styling and sometimes font information, NOT graphics. Graphics are not text so should not be in any "Text" format file, and that includes RTF. If you want grpahics, tables, etc. then you use a different, not-text format file. The fact that Microsoft continually change the rules to suit themselves is absolutely nothing new at all. On 11/6/05 11:53 AM, in article 071120050853092390%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com, "Anybody" <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote: >> Hello John- >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The fact that Microsoft continually change the rules to suit themselves > is absolutely nothing new at all. Since it's their own format, who exactly should they suit, do you think? The fact that other vendors also use the format means that they are willing to abide by Microsoft's definition. (Or they would propose a consortium to see if Microsoft would agree to industry control, as has sometimes happened. Microsoft wouldn't necessarily agree to give up control however.) Apple use the extension .rtfd for "Rich Text with Graphics" (it's really "RTF with Attachments") when saving RTF files that include graphics from TextEdit. Does anyone know who defined that format? SignaturePaul Berkowitz MVP MacOffice Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html> AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be ignored. PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using - **2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. Hello again- I did follow up on the issue, & FWIW, Publisher 2003 _does not_ include graphic content when you output as Word .rtf... In fact, a dialog box appears advising of that limitation as soon as you attempt to save. Regards |:>) To be clear...it isn't a limitation of the format, however, just of the application. > Hello again- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Regards |:>) |
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