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Mac Forum / Applications / Word / October 2005Unbidden toolbar. My first 2004 question
I like to use Word with minimum decoration. no rulers, no toolbars, lots of keyboard shortcuts, perma page view. In Word X, I had to keep a few pixels of the formatting palette on screen to get cmd-shift-s (change style) to work elegantly. That is fixed in 2004. But (there is always a but) Whenever I type cmd-shift-s, the standard toolbar leaps onto my screen. I have pruned it down to just the style selector (removing that stops cmd-shift-s working at all) and placing the toolbar almost offscreen in the top right corner with only a few pixels peeping shyly out from behind the Spotlight button. Is there a preference or setting or even a macro to let your commands work without those pesky toolbars littering one's screen? I work on a 12" Powerbook, and believe me, every pixel is sacred.  SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 Hi Elliott (note the 2 "t"s) It appears to me that the stroke is designed to access the Style Name Box normally found on the Formatting Toolbar. That would explain why it summons whatever toolbar you have it on as well as why it doesn't 'do anything' if the list box is removed from all bars. It isn't clear to me what you expect or prefer to have it do, but the stroke can definitely be reassigned. I.E., if you go to customize Keyboard dialog box and reassign Cmd+Shift+S to the FormatStyle (instead of the Style command) command it will open the Styles dialog box and not activate any toolbars. Regards |:>) On 10/17/05 7:12 AM, in article 171020051212505800%nospam@yrl.co.uk, > I like to use Word with minimum decoration. no rulers, no toolbars, > lots of keyboard shortcuts, perma page view. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I work on a 12" Powerbook, and believe me, every pixel is sacred. > Hi Elliott (note the 2 "t"s) Way to go! > It appears to me that the stroke is designed to access the Style Name Box > normally found on the Formatting Toolbar. That would explain why it summons > whatever toolbar you have it on as well as why it doesn't 'do anything' if > the list box is removed from all bars. Yep, I'm getting resigned to that. I don't really understand why it insists on doing it though. > It isn't clear to me what you expect or prefer to have it do, but the stroke > can definitely be reassigned. I.E., if you go to customize Keyboard dialog > box and reassign Cmd+Shift+S to the FormatStyle (instead of the Style > command) command it will open the Styles dialog box and not activate any > toolbars. Well, it's for quickly changing the current style from the keyboard. My most common styles have a short name too e.g. 'body,b' 'list numbered,ln' So, when I want to start a numbered list I type cmd-shift-sln<return> I'd rather I never saw the toolbar during that action. And seeing the styles box would be worse. My workaround is to hide all but a few pixels of the toolbar off the edge of the screen and to leave it there permanently. Word's new trick of whizzing palettes out from under your nose once you stop using them has merit. I may try to persuade toolbars to do the same with a macro. SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 Ah... It becomes a little clearer when you write; > I type cmd-shift-sln<return> Didn't realize you were using multiple keys, but it is because of the leading 's' that the list box is being called. That can be 'unassigned', but I don't think it will solve your dilemma since that key combo relies on the list being visible in the first place. Why not just leave out the 's' in your keystroke? Assign the keystroke as Cmd+Shift+ln directly to the list numbering style. (The key combination will display in the box as 'Command+Shift+L, Shift+N'.) To use it, hold Cmd+Shift while you type 'l' first followed by 'n'. No toolbar, no dialog box, and you can still use Cmd+Shift+S to call the list if you ever want it. Regards |:>) > Ah... It becomes a little clearer when you write; > > > I type cmd-shift-sln<return> It was just an example, I hit command-shift-s to get it in the mood, then the short or long name of one of my many styles. I couldn't possibly remember any more key combos than I use already. The are spilling out my ears every time I shake my head.[1] But the short names are fairly memorable, and the longer ones even more so.. I'm digging a hole for myself here aren't I? I'll stop digging. The almost hidden toolbar is working fine. 1. My favourite all time text editor is teco, where all but a very few of its commands are a single letter, and any valid series of teco commands is indistinguishable from line noise. That starts to explain why my head is full of rubbish. e.g. to sequentially number every line of this post from first principles in teco I'd type. j0ua<%a\$i $s $;>0k which, you must admit, makes vi and emacs look obese. That kind of stuff is now built into my fingers. It long ago went from brain to spinal column, back when PDP-10s were still in fashion. SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 On 18/10/05 12:49 AM, in article 171020051549577511%nospam@yrl.co.uk, >> Ah... It becomes a little clearer when you write; >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > stuff is now built into my fingers. It long ago went from brain to > spinal column, back when PDP-10s were still in fashion. G'day Elliott, Just a thought (furiously busy at present and haven't had time to think deeply): How about getting say Command-Shift-d (because d is next to s) to make the toolbar on which you have the styles pop-down to toggle as appear/disappear? Then you would: Hold down Command-Shift Hit d Hit s Let go Command-Shift Key the style's abbreviation Return Command-Shift-d I have a button that hides/shows my toolbars on the second screen (where I do most of my work, often with no toobars; but toolbars are almost always visible on the smaller PowerBook display, so I don't have any problem invoking Command-Shift-s). In case you're interested, I use the following macro (all the toolbars are my own, since I need to have some different buttons on the main toolbars that can't be backed up via Organizer**; and "2" is just the 2nd, identical, copy of the original customized toolbar in each instance): ** Elliott knows this, but for anyone watching, this is described in more detail on page 42 of some notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will", which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website (http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm). Sub Hide2ndToolbarSet() ' ' Hide2ndToolbarSet Macro ' Macro recorded 26/3/05 by Clive Huggan ' CommandBars("C bkmark, x, fn 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C colour text 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C formatting 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C heading styles 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C nontoc hdg styles 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C standard 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C paste-in factors 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C styles 2").Visible = False CommandBars("C show 2nd toolbars").Visible = True CommandBars("C hide 2nd toolbars").Visible = False End Sub Sub Show2ndToolbarSet() ' ' Show2ndToolbarSet Macro ' Macro recorded 26/3/05 by Clive Huggan ' CommandBars("C bkmark, x, fn 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C colour text 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C formatting 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C heading styles 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C nontoc hdg styles 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C paste-in factors 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C standard 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C styles 2").Visible = True CommandBars("C hide 2nd toolbars").Visible = True CommandBars("C show 2nd toolbars").Visible = False End Sub Maybe some of this could stimulate an idea (um, probably not...) Cheers, Clive ====== > On 18/10/05 12:49 AM, in article 171020051549577511%nospam@yrl.co.uk, <snip original query - how to change style on the keyboard alone without bringing up the toolbar that contains the styles button> > G'day Elliott, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Return > Command-Shift-d That's no good, except for the last bit. The toolbar leaps up automatically, so I don't need the first cmd-shift-d. But throwing the toolbars away at the end is appealing. I'll adapt your macro for those rare senior moments when I do want to bring up a toolbar (f'rinstance when I have forgotten the baroque shortcuts I use for track changes orgies). The workaround I settled on was to rip everything out of the standard toolbar except the style button, then park it almost offscreen. Once you learn the first few keyboard shortcuts, the standard toolbar is never needed again, so that is no great hardship. I guess my almost mouseless working method is a long way from that which Word's designers imagined. You know I hate to say anything nice about Word, but it is a great strength of the program that because there are so many ways of doing the same thing, that you can use it all day without getting bored. (That's part of the reason I spend so much time in this group. I need a break every now and then) <snip> except a small independent plug for > "Bend Word to Your Will", which are available as a free download from the > Word MVPs' website (http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm). which is definitely the most compact practical advice for becoming better than a beginner in Word. SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 On 19/10/05 9:19 PM, in article 191020051219538813%nospam@yrl.co.uk, >> On 18/10/05 12:49 AM, in article 171020051549577511%nospam@yrl.co.uk, >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > That's no good, except for the last bit. The toolbar leaps up > automatically, so I don't need the first cmd-shift-d. Well done, Sgt Wilson -- spotted my deliberate error straight away. That's the spirit we need in these times of trial, chaps ... > But throwing the > toolbars away at the end is appealing. I'll adapt your macro for those [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > day without getting bored. (That's part of the reason I spend so much > time in this group. I need a break every now and then) That's a *real* worry! Did you change brands of vin rouge tres ordinaire on your last journey across the channel? ;-) Cheers, Clive ======== > That's a *real* worry! Did you change brands of vin rouge tres ordinaire on > your last journey across the channel? ;-) It's youse louts that give Queanbeyan a bad name. SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 |
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