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zeebe@officeformac.com - 16 Jul 2008 08:05 GMT
Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

Is it possible to take 4 different MS Word 2008 files and combine them into 1 file?? If so, how?
Thanks
Anthony Perez - 16 Jul 2008 08:15 GMT
I've always used the Select All/Copy --> Paste method.
YMMV

On 7/16/08 12:05 AM, in article 59b544c6.-1@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw,

> Is it possible to take 4 different MS Word 2008 files and combine them into 1
> file?
John McGhie - 16 Jul 2008 10:21 GMT
The other one is Insert>File...

Insert>File leaves behind the default section break at the bottom of the
document, which can be useful in avoiding page size clashes.

Cheers

On 16/07/08 4:45 PM, in article C4A2EE06.1079%anthony@rivernetusa.com,

> I've always used the Select All/Copy --> Paste method.
> YMMV
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> Is it possible to take 4 different MS Word 2008 files and combine them into 1
>> file?

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Anthony Perez - 17 Jul 2008 06:48 GMT
Forgot about that one, good call, John. :)

On 7/16/08 2:21 AM, in article C4A3F3A6.17499%john@mcghie.name, "John
McGhie" <john@mcghie.name> wrote:

> The other one is Insert>File...
>
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>>> 1
>>> file?
zeebe@officeformac.com - 16 Jul 2008 13:36 GMT
Neither one of these worked, they both ignore the formating of the file they belong to and take on the formating of the file I want them in. I wish they worked like Mac OS X Preview or Pages, drag and drop different pages where ever you want them.
John McGhie - 18 Jul 2008 10:46 GMT
I think I need you to explain to me exactly what you are doing:  Both
Anthony's method and my method will retain the formatting of the source
file, if you COPY the formatting.

So:  What do you mean by "Formatting"?

Cheers

On 16/07/08 10:06 PM, in article 59b544c6.2@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw,

> Neither one of these worked, they both ignore the formating of the file they
> belong to and take on the formating of the file I want them in. I wish they
> worked like Mac OS X Preview or Pages, drag and drop different pages where
> ever you want them.

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zeebe@officeformac.com - 18 Jul 2008 12:08 GMT
Forget it guys, already got the project done. It was faster to copy paste and fix any problems that occurred then to wait for any answers from here.
John McGhie - 19 Jul 2008 09:35 GMT
Oh, we did forget it.  We asked you for information.  We then forgot it
until you responded.  Which you didn't.

On 18/07/08 8:38 PM, in article 59b544c6.5@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw,

> Forget it guys, already got the project done. It was faster to copy paste and
> fix any problems that occurred then to wait for any answers from here.

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Herbert S. Moncier - 19 Jul 2008 12:59 GMT
I use Autotext extensively in my work.  I use Word 2008.

(1) Is there any prior topic or instructions on how to create, organize and
use Autotext for Mac Word 2008?

(2) Can I set my Mac Word 2008 to save automatically to a Word 2004 .doc?
Many versions of Word Perfect or other Windows word processors do not
recognize the new 2008 Word .docx format.

(3) Where is the Normal template stored in Mac Word 2008 that becomes the
Normal Global Template in the Template and Add-in organizer?

(4) Is there a way to have the Normal Global Template remain attached to the
correct Normal.dot or .dotm template without constantly re-attaching it on
each start-up?

(5) I have a "Normal.dot" and "Normal.dotm" in my Library> Application
Support> Microsoft>Users> Templates file.  Do I need both, particularly if I
save documents as .doc instead of the new .docx?  Which one is automatically
undated when I make a change?  Which one automatically updates my Global
Normal Template?

(6) Is there a way I can organize my Autotext entries into separate drop
down Autotext categories similar to the way the default categories are set
up in Autotext?

Herbert S. Moncier
Attorney at Law
moncier@moncierlaw.com

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Daiya Mitchell - 19 Jul 2008 15:51 GMT
Hi Herbert,

It's better to keep to one topic per post, even if you submit three
posts at the same time. Less confusing, especially if followup questions
are necessary.

1) the information here is accurate for the Mac, if the screenshots look
a little different.
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/customization/AutoText.htm

6) the article above mentions creating categories via styles. You could
also create custom AutoText menus--eg, have a menu on the toolbar with
Personal AT that drops down options, another menu with Business AT.

2) Word | Preferences | Save

3) [username]/library/application support/microsoft/office/user templates

4) doesn't make sense. The Normal Global template *is* Normal.dotm. If
you manually saved a file as Normal.dotm, that was a bad idea. It sounds
like you are having problems here, please create a NEW thread,
describing exactly what you did, what you wanted to happen, and what
happened instead. Let's keep this thread for AutoText discussion to
match the subject line.

5) no, you don't need both. Normal.dot is probably left over from an
earlier version. See #4

> I use Autotext extensively in my work.  I use Word 2008.
>
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> down Autotext categories similar to the way the default categories are set
> up in Autotext?
CyberTaz - 19 Jul 2008 16:20 GMT
Hello Herbert -

Quite a laundry list you have here :-) but I'll see what I can do. Others
may have more to offer as well.

Just for future reference, though, it's typically better to post each issue
as a separate message rather than lumping it all together.

On 7/19/08 7:59 AM, in article C4A74F52.F8C1%moncier@moncierlaw.com,

> I use Autotext extensively in my work.  I use Word 2008.
>
> (1) Is there any prior topic or instructions on how to create, organize and
> use Autotext for Mac Word 2008?

One source is the Word Help topic: " Have Word complete your typing".
Another is Clive Huggan's work "Bend Word to Your Will" which is loaded with
other reference material as well. It's available as a free download here:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html

AutoText is addressed specifically on page 124, but is also referenced
elsewhere in the text - use Find to ferret out the bits & pieces.

> (2) Can I set my Mac Word 2008 to save automatically to a Word 2004 .doc?
> Many versions of Word Perfect or other Windows word processors do not
> recognize the new 2008 Word .docx format.

You can go to Word> Preferences> Save & choose either of the file formats
listed in the "Save Word files as:" list as your default format. Just be
aware that if you choose something other than the standard (.docx) that
certain features of Word 2008 will not be available and some of the features
you can still apply may cause changes to occur in the document when you
save. The .docx format is more widely supported than many realize, but if
the recipient doesn't need to edit the file I'd rather use the 2008 features
& send them a PDF. In fact, sending both a .doc & a .docx *plus* a PDF has
been known to be done as well.

> (3) Where is the Normal template stored in Mac Word 2008 that becomes the
> Normal Global Template in the Template and Add-in organizer?

Word 2008's Normal.dotm template is located in:

User/Library/Application Support/Microsoft/Office/User Templates

> (4) Is there a way to have the Normal Global Template remain attached to the
> correct Normal.dot or .dotm template without constantly re-attaching it on
> each start-up?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. It may be a good idea to post this as a
new message & clarify as much as you can.

> (5) I have a "Normal.dot" and "Normal.dotm" in my Library> Application
> Support> Microsoft>Users> Templates file.  Do I need both, particularly if I
> save documents as .doc instead of the new .docx?  Which one is automatically
> undated when I make a change?  Which one automatically updates my Global
> Normal Template?

No, you don't need both... In fact, I'm not sure why there's a Normal.dot
there at all. The Normal template used by earlier versions was not stored in
that location, nor did it have a .dot extension (even though it was a
template file).

If you have any customizations (Styles, toolbars, etc.) stored in it that
you'd like to copy into Normal.dotm you can use Organizer to do so. You'll
find more on that in "Bend Word..." as well. You may also want to
familiarize yourself with the wealth of information available on:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/WordMacHome.html

If there are no customizations [or once you've retrieved what you need] the
Normal.dot can be Trashed - unless you're still running 2004 (or prior)
along with 2008... But even if you are, the "active" Normal (without the
.dot extension) should be in a folder named Microsoft User Data located in
User/Documents

> (6) Is there a way I can organize my Autotext entries into separate drop
> down Autotext categories similar to the way the default categories are set
> up in Autotext?

It "can" be done, but the AutoText menu is handled in a special way which
makes it *very* awkward & difficult to manage. You'll find a number of other
suggestions in the material referred to above which will most likely satisfy
your requirements with far less hassle.

> Herbert S. Moncier
> Attorney at Law
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
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Herbert S. Moncier - 21 Jul 2008 22:01 GMT
I still cannot create categories for my Autotext entries.

I read the materials and tried to create a style as a category, insert the
Autotext entry into the paragraph style, and then add the highlighted entry
into Autotext.  The style shows up in the Autotext Insert List but the
Autotext entry I added is not in the style drop-down.

I then tried to make a new Normal.dotm.  I named my Autotext Normal.dotm
"old" and let Word build a new Normal.dotm.  I used the organizer on the
Templates and Add-ins to delete the standard categories in the new
Normal.dotm and then moved my Autotext entries from "old" to the new
Normal.dotm.

Now each of my old Autotext entries appear in the new Autotext list each as
a drop-down list with the old Autotext entry the only entry in the list.

Willing to start over if necessary . . .
Daiya Mitchell - 22 Jul 2008 13:42 GMT
> I then tried to make a new Normal.dotm.  I named my Autotext Normal.dotm
> "old" and let Word build a new Normal.dotm.  I used the organizer on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> a drop-down list with the old Autotext entry the only entry in the list.
>  

I don't know what's going on there....
> Willing to start over if necessary . . .
>  

Perhaps try this (first quit Word and make a backup of your Normal
template by copying it to the desktop or something).

View | Customize Toolbars.  You'll see a virtual main menu bar
appear--drop down the Insert menu by clicking on it and then drag and
drop your AutoText entries to rearrange them as you desire. You can even
put them on a toolbar if you want, or can move them out of the Insert |
AutoText area. You can also create a new drop-down menu for them (on a
toolbar or menu).

Once you've got it set up the way you want, backup the Normal template
again.
Herbert S. Moncier - 23 Jul 2008 19:51 GMT
On 7/22/08 8:42 AM, in article eIHj0h$6IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, "Daiya
Mitchell" <daiyaNOSPAM@mvps.org.INVALID> wrote:

>> I then tried to make a new Normal.dotm.  I named my Autotext Normal.dotm
>> "old" and let Word build a new Normal.dotm.  I used the organizer on the
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>>
>>  
I cannot find a list of entries that allows me to drag an entry nor can I
find a place where I can drop the dragged entry.   Please explain where I
can drag the existing Autotext entries from and where do I drop it to?
Daiya Mitchell - 23 Jul 2008 23:26 GMT
>> View | Customize Toolbars.  You'll see a virtual main menu bar
>> appear--drop down the Insert menu by clicking on it and then drag and
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> can drag the existing Autotext entries from and where do I drop it to?  
>  

I thought you said the existing AutoText entries were already on your
Insert | AutoText menu, but as annoying single-item drop-down menus. If
that is the case, you can rearrange their location on the Insert |
AutoText menu.

Did you select View | Customize Toolbars first?  Did you see a duplicate
File, Edit, View, etc appear?
Herbert S. Moncier - 24 Jul 2008 13:26 GMT
On 7/23/08 6:26 PM, in article OkMDoMR7IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl, "Daiya
Mitchell" <daiyaNOSPAM@mvps.org.INVALID> wrote:

>>> View | Customize Toolbars.  You'll see a virtual main menu bar
>>> appear--drop down the Insert menu by clicking on it and then drag and
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Did you select View | Customize Toolbars first?  Did you see a duplicate
> File, Edit, View, etc appear?

Yes, when I open Auto Text on the Insert/Auto Text menu my list of entries
appear with a drop down that when opened contains each entry.

I cannot find my list of entries when in Customize Toolbars>Insert>Auto
Text.

When open/Customize Toolbars and drop down the duplicate Insert/Auto Text
menu it contains two categories I created without any entries and a third
statement in parenthesis (list of auto text entries).   None of the three
open.
Daiya Mitchell - 24 Jul 2008 22:58 GMT
> When open/Customize Toolbars and drop down the duplicate Insert/Auto Text
> menu it contains two categories I created without any entries and a third
> statement in parenthesis (list of auto text entries).   None of the three
> open.  
>  

Oh!  Sorry, my mistake--didn't realize it worked that way.  Okay, then,
I think you'll have to do it the hard way.

In View | Customize Toolbars, click on Commands. Select AutoText in the
left column, you should see all your autotexts in the right column. Drag
one onto the duplicate Insert menu (or wherever you want it). Now
right-click it and select Properties and give it a name. Repeat until
you've got it all set the way you want it. BACK UP NORMAL.*

You can even create different submenus that sit in a menu or on a
toolbar--first, in the left column, select New Menu and then drag a new
menu from the right column to your preferred location, then drag
AutoTexts onto it. The annoying part is having to rename the autotexts
yourself, for some idiotic reason.

Alternatively, you could try the style route again--I'm thinking that
maybe it didn't work because the style wasn't actually applied to the
text you turned into an AutoText (as it works here when I create new
header/footer autotexts).

Daiya

*Note about protecting your work. You can move custom toolbars from one
template to another, but you can't move default toolbars that you have
customized from one template to another. The main menu is basically one
big default toolbar. So by customizing the default Insert menu, you are
risking the chance that corruption will destroy your work.  To get
around this, I would suggest:

Create a *new* toolbar. Drag a New Menu onto it. Then build your
AutoText menu (or menus, one for each category) on that toolbar. Now,
hold down option, and drag your New Menu from the toolbar to wherever
you want it. Option-drag will copy it.  Now Back up Normal. Should
Normal corrupt, you should be able to copy your custom toolbar with the
New Menu into a new Normal, saving most of your work. You might even
copy the toolbar into a new Template named Storage, just to be extra
safe, as Normal is usually the only template that corrupts.
Herbert S. Moncier - 26 Jul 2008 13:03 GMT
Daiya:

I know "thanks" clutter up the group cite but, I do appreciate you sticking
with me on my issue.  Your most recent reply works perfectly!

Thank you!

On 7/24/08 5:58 PM, in article O8zXihd7IHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl, "Daiya
Mitchell" <daiyaNOSPAM@mvps.org.INVALID> wrote:

>> When open/Customize Toolbars and drop down the duplicate Insert/Auto Text
>> menu it contains two categories I created without any entries and a third
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> copy the toolbar into a new Template named Storage, just to be extra
> safe, as Normal is usually the only template that corrupts.
CyberTaz - 26 Jul 2008 14:49 GMT
Hello again Herbert -

Sorry I seemed to have disappeared from the thread, but I knew you were in
much better hands with Daiya on this one & I have been following it.

Just wanted to pop back in to note that there's always enough space to
accommodate common courtesy :-) it also completes the thread for the
archives so future reviewers know whether the issue was resolved.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

On 7/26/08 8:03 AM, in article C4B08ADF.FC6F%moncier@moncierlaw.com,

> Daiya:
>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>> copy the toolbar into a new Template named Storage, just to be extra
>> safe, as Normal is usually the only template that corrupts.
Clive Huggan - 27 Jul 2008 09:11 GMT
Yes, seconded!  Daiya will appreciate your kind words, Herbert, when she
gets back in a few days.

We all try to make this newsgroup a special place where we hammer problems
until they are solved. The sense of triumph in dominating Word, which "never
loses an opportunity to perplex" [TM], is often our motivation, so to know
that someone else has experienced that feeling is always good!

Clive Huggan
============

On 26/7/08 11:49 PM, in article C4B0A3A8.3F5DD%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net,

> Hello again Herbert -
>
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>>> copy the toolbar into a new Template named Storage, just to be extra
>>> safe, as Normal is usually the only template that corrupts.
twiddleedee - 26 Sep 2008 21:50 GMT
Hi,
I'm sorry this conversation didn't continue as I would've benefitted from
more details. I'm having the same problem in Word 2008, trying to copy
formatted text (ie, indents, spacing, bold, italics, etc) from one Word doc
to another. Some are docs are 2008 docx, some are 2003, some are text,
because I've had to work on this project from various computers and then
email my work back to my main computer at home.

The problem is that when I copy them into my main document, I lose my
formatting and just have a huge block of run-on text. Please help!

Thanks!
John McGhie - 27 Sep 2008 09:52 GMT
Start by reading the Help topic " How formatting is applied when text is
copied and pasted".

Basically, all Word formatting is contained in the paragraph marks.  So you
need to turn your paragraph marks on so you can see what you are doing.

Word will try to "match" the formatting of the destination.

If you paste text, the styles will not be copied across if they already
exist in the destination document: the incoming text will adopt the
formatting of the destination styles.

If you format consistently using the built-in styles, text copied from one
document will automatically be correct when pasted into another.

Cheers

On 27/09/08 6:20 AM, in article
0A611D08-2068-4F1B-8364-2EC33E9793CA@microsoft.com, "twiddleedee"

> Hi,
> I'm sorry this conversation didn't continue as I would've benefitted from
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks!

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