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Mac Forum / Applications / Virtual PC / January 2008Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virtual PC
I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on it somehow and an article on : http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure. Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386" and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that is described on the webpage or not. The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "- ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows XP prior to SP2? I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little time to give me some advice. Regards, therevd. In article <ae45fb1e-2183-4cd6-9b1b-d53a2fb2aa9a@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came > with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Regards, > therevd. Unfortunately, the disk image for VPC isn't a valid XP boot disk for a PC AFAIK. If you need to recover your system, you're out of luck. It's also an OEM version of XP which comes with a "for use with VPC only" caveat when you bought it. If you want to run XP, buy a commercial copy (or continue running DOS).  SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... In article <ae45fb1e-2183-4cd6-9b1b-d53a2fb2aa9a@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came > with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Regards, > therevd. It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you "signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) >In article ><ae45fb1e-2183-4cd6-9b1b-d53a2fb2aa9a@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging. It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove said procedure. ;-) SignatureCheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft. > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/ > I do not work for Microsoft. Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the case. On Dec 12, 8:25 am, ther...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If you believe that you are entitled to use the Windows XP that bundled with Virtual PC 5, the ONLY accurate advice that anyone can give you is to contact the manufacturer of Virtual PC 5, who would be the Original Equipment Manufacturer of record, since that version of Windows is, indeed, an OEM version and is the property and responsibility of the software company that bundled the package together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1 > On Dec 12, 8:25 am, ther...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and > Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1 I think that I am getting the message that people think that trying to use the copy of Windows XP that I purchased is a bad thing to do. So I should take their advice and either pay through the nose for a possibly licensed copy of XP from a third party, non-authorised reseller here - or alternatively, having scanned Microsoft Thailand's (only in Thai) website and come across a list of resellers that suggests I make a two hundred mile round trip to possibly qualify for an education priced copy, I should leave my current country of residence, cross the border into Thailand get the software and pay the customs duty on my return all to run Windows on an HP Pavillion with Pentium D, I paid a little over $200 for. You hopefully see why I was hoping to use my existing software. I am not a criminal - not knowingly anyway, yet in a country, sadly without much of a concept of intellectual property rights, the fact that running software I purchased on only one machine, is considered off- limits by Microsoft, whose service in this region doesn't even extend to listing this country on it's website, seems a little unreasonable. Why on earth should Virtual PC owners not be able to use their legitimately purchased copies of Windows software, following the switch by Mac to Intel? Obviously I am not the only person tempted to flout "the rules". After all, wasn't it Microsoft themselves who killed off Virtual PC for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore the possibility of having it's cake and eating it! In article <832959f2-aa85-44de-839a-ea4dfe9b6bbf@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, > > On Dec 12, 8:25 am, ther...@gmail.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > switch by Mac to Intel? Obviously I am not the only person tempted to > flout "the rules". It's no different to the copy of Windows that comes with a brand new Dell PC - you are NOT allowed to take that and install it on any other computer for any reason. The same happens with the version of the Mac OS that comes with a new computer. It's called "bundled" and is cheaper for a reason. If you had thought you might want to do something like this, then you should really have bought plain Virtual PC without any operating system and bought a separate Windows license. That way you can use it however you want (within the "installed on one computer at a time" restricition). It's standard practice in the computer industry and has been for decades. Simple fact: It's not legal to do it. Whining on about it isn't going to make any difference at all. > After all, wasn't it Microsoft themselves who killed off Virtual PC > for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore the possibility of > having it's cake and eating it! Microsoft stopped making Virtual PC for the Mac since it would have required yet another re-write for the Intel-based Macs. With other options already around, it simply wasn't worht them wasting time, effort and money on such a small number of users. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) >> On Dec 12, 8:25 am, ther...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] >killed off Virtual PC for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore >the possibility of having it's cake and eating it! This has been discussed many times. OEM versions of Windows are cheaper than retail versions. You took advantage of that when you purchased VPC + Windows and saved $100 off the price of Windows. OEM versions of Windows are only licensed for the hardware, virtual or not, that it comes with. Connectix VPC+XP ran around $200-250, XP only then was $220-250+ for a retail version. What you could have done was purchase the stand-alone version of VPC, which ran about $100-150, and a retail copy of XP,=$300-400...this is where your savings came in with the bundle...and why most Mac users never purchased a stand-alone copy of VPC and a retail version of Windows. I'm pretty sure the Connectix version came with the Microsoft OEM EULA, MS wouldn't have let us sell it otherwise. This is not specific to Connectix. Any OEM version of Windows that comes with Dell, HP, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc has the same restrictions, it is only licensed and in many cases, limited by BIOS/hardware detection, to run on the machine it was sold with. Yes, you legitimately purchased Windows for use exclusively with VPC. I'd say Apple killed off VPC, by switching to the Intel platform. Microsoft chose not to rewrite a low sales volume app for the new Macs, when other solutions were already in the works. You can make all the justifications you like about it, but that's the way OEM licensing is. It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. SignatureCheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft. I'm really glad that in fact, I bought my Virtual PC on eBay. I simply had no idea that I was getting such a "bargain" when I bought it, as I only wanted Windows software to help me operate software and communicate with PC users, at a time when there were more problems doing this than today - I had no knowledge of the price of standalone price of XP Home - in the US or anywhere else! I am very happy to say that things for Mac users are currently much better than back then. Incidentally, I am not "whining" I am simply highlighting the very inadequate service offered by Microsoft in this part of the world! Is it any wonder that the vast majority of PCs are sold without licensed software in this part of the world? I accept the legal restrictions and will in all probability make the effort to obtain another licensed copy of Windows XP. Thanks for your clarification of the matter. > >> On Dec 12, 8:25 am, ther...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/ > I do not work for Microsoft. In article <830400a6-3358-4f7d-ae3e-ce6a50c86bdc@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > I am not "whining" I am simply highlighting the very > inadequate service offered by Microsoft in this part of the world! Is > it any wonder that the vast majority of PCs are sold without licensed > software in this part of the world? I accept the legal restrictions > and will in all probability make the effort to obtain another licensed > copy of Windows XP. You may have to do what I heard is the solution to your problem in Tiawan. There they can't buy a new legal copy of the Windows installer, but they take their PC to a local dealer who installs it for them. Virtual PC will not run on an Intel mac. It is a discontinued product as far as Microsoft is concerned. I do not have a problem with this. I simply think that it would be courteous of Microsoft to explain clearly the licensing situation to their customers and to offer some options. Obviously, at the time I bought Virtual PC with Windows XP, neither Microsoft nor myself could have anticipated Apples decision to go to Intel. You cannot upgrade your license to Windows XP that came with Virtual PC to one that is useable with an Intel mac. I had hoped that Microsoft would allow me to use my Windows XP license on my Intel mac but they do not. They are not particularly forthcoming about this situation, and it took considerable time and effort and actually some money on my part to determine this. I sent an email question (which was supposed to cost $35 but I do not know yet whether my Visa I was actually charged) and never got a response. When I found the appropriate Microsoft telephone number I spoke to a representative who was apparently not clear about this situation who asked me to fax images of the disks that I owned etc. This process had to be repeated because the fax that I sent from a commercial service was not clear enough. After all this, despite promises, Microsoft never got back to me. Eventually, I called again and it was made clear that they are offering no discount on a purchase of a retail version of XP to someone who got caught up in this situation with Virtual PC despite that customer owning a copy of XP that was bundled with Virtual PC. Because of my dealing with many other software companies, I had expected that Microsoft would offer some kind of upgrade path under such circumstances. Most companies that I work with do this to maintain good relations with their customers and to encourage their customers to stay with their product line in some other capacity. No other software product that I own has provided absolutely no upgrade option in a like situation. > Virtual PC will not run on an Intel mac. It is a discontinued product as far > as Microsoft is concerned. I do not have a problem with this. I simply think [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > product that I own has provided absolutely no upgrade option in a like > situation. From your experiences it appears MS has no policy on this situation and simply hopes the situation will die with time. Since there is very little in it for MS, it's a tiny problem in the BIG MS world, they probably don't want to invest time and money on the problem and are just letting the VPC-Win users do what they want. > In article <ee85cb6...@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw>, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Microsoft has a very CLEAR and PRECISE policy on this issue. The 'problem' is that people are not happy with the answer so they start to put their own spin on it and try to justify their opinions with 'I read somewhere', 'I believe', 'Someone told me'. In a nutshell........... You may use the version of Windows that came bundled with VPC for Mac for use within the VPC for Mac environment ONLY. Microsoft does NOT offer any deals or discounts to people who have upgraded to Intel Mac computers and no longer need VPC for Mac. How much clearer do you want it to be???????/ In article <ff58a1eb-91a1-469c-ba0d-632754d7b0da@v17g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > Microsoft has a very CLEAR and PRECISE policy on this issue. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Microsoft does NOT offer any deals or discounts to people who have > upgraded to Intel Mac computers and no longer need VPC for Mac. according to reader contributions to macintouch, they do. <http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/office2008/index.html> I upgraded two of our users from XP Pro in Virtual PC, to full Boot Camp versions. I did this by contacting Microsoft and explaining the situation and they let me buy genuine XP Pro CDs for just the cost of shipping and handling. (I paid UK? but it would have been something like $15-$20.) When I ditched Virtual PC because of it's lack of further development, I asked myself the same question. I called Microsoft. They happily sent me an "unbundled" installation disc for XP and to the best of my recollection, all I had to do was pay a very small shipping charge. > How much clearer do you want it to be???????/ it'd be nice if it was accurate. |
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