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bobgold76@gmail.com - 29 Nov 2007 22:33 GMT
I have a licensed copy of MS Office 2004 Professional for my Mac.
Among the bundled software is a copy of Virtual PC 7, and Windows XP
SP2.

When the time comes, I can see replacing my iMac G-5 with an Intel
iMac, and replacing Virtual PC with Bootcamp or Parallels.

So, the question is:

Win XP is bundled on the disks with Virtual PC.  How can I get my copy
of Win XP loaded on a new iMac?

I recall seeing an article that described pulling Win XP off the VPC
disks, and burning a new Win XP disk, but I'm unable to locate that
article (which actually was part of a process that allowed one to
decrease the virtual disk size of VPC down from a default 15gb to
about 4gb).

Thanks for thoughts,

Bob
Fred Horvat - 30 Nov 2007 00:29 GMT
From prior discussions here on this list it was stated that the XP that
comes with VPC is an OEM version.  Basically what this means is that legally
you can not use that CD or license with anything else but VPC.  Technically
you can but not legally.  I never read my license that came with my VPC 6.1
and XP but I'm sure it's stated in there too.  Just depends how easy it is
to read the EULA to find it.

On 11/29/07 5:33 PM, in article
20d926a5-bf31-4712-8bb9-51b4365de99f@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com,

> I have a licensed copy of MS Office 2004 Professional for my Mac.
> Among the bundled software is a copy of Virtual PC 7, and Windows XP
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Bob
nospam - 01 Dec 2007 01:27 GMT
In article
<20d926a5-bf31-4712-8bb9-51b4365de99f@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,

> Win XP is bundled on the disks with Virtual PC.  How can I get my copy
> of Win XP loaded on a new iMac?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> decrease the virtual disk size of VPC down from a default 15gb to
> about 4gb).

legally you aren't supposed to use the vpc version with 'other
hardware,' so you should buy another copy.  then just use parallels
transporter to migrate your exisiting virtual pc guest image, and then
vmware's importer on the result if you prefer vmware over parallels.
there is no direct vpc->vmware importer that works at this time.
Richard Cardona - 01 Dec 2007 02:55 GMT
> there is no direct vpc->vmware importer that works at this time.

Actually this is not entirely true.  You can use VMware Importer in
VMware Workstation 6 to import your VPC image into VMware, then that
runs in VMware Fusion for OS X on Intel.
nospam - 01 Dec 2007 03:47 GMT
> > there is no direct vpc->vmware importer that works at this time.
>
> Actually this is not entirely true.  You can use VMware Importer in
> VMware Workstation 6 to import your VPC image into VMware, then that
> runs in VMware Fusion for OS X on Intel.

actually it is true.  i spent far too much time getting it to directly
import and it never worked correctly.  people on the vmware forums also
report problems and vmware themselves even state they don't fully
support it.  i had the most success by using their importer and
generating a fully allocated image rather than a sparse image, so my
guests suddently became 15-20 gig *each* rather than less than 5 gig,
and there were still some functional problems once converted.

then i tried parallels transporter and it 'just worked' the very first
try and vmware 1.1 now has an importer for parallels images and
importing that into vmware also 'just worked.'
Fred Horvat - 01 Dec 2007 13:53 GMT
That is not entirely true.  There is a VMWare VPC to VMWare importer under
Windows.  I have used it in the past 6 months.  For the Mac I don't know as
I only own PPC Macs and have not followed the Intel products all that much.

Personally I would just start from scratch when moving to an Intel Mac this
way you know that you started with a clean Windows and don't have to worry
about things.

On 11/30/07 8:27 PM, in article 301120071727564202%nospam@nospam.invalid,

> In article
> <20d926a5-bf31-4712-8bb9-51b4365de99f@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> vmware's importer on the result if you prefer vmware over parallels.
> there is no direct vpc->vmware importer that works at this time.
nospam - 01 Dec 2007 15:24 GMT
> That is not entirely true.  There is a VMWare VPC to VMWare importer under
> Windows.  I have used it in the past 6 months.  For the Mac I don't know as
> I only own PPC Macs and have not followed the Intel products all that much.

as i mentioned before, it doesn't work that well and it also generates
an older (yet still supported) format.  

> Personally I would just start from scratch when moving to an Intel Mac this
> way you know that you started with a clean Windows and don't have to worry
> about things.

ideally yes, but a lot of people are not interested in discarding an
existing windows system and then reinstalling everything from scratch.
Fred Horvat - 01 Dec 2007 23:20 GMT
Well on my work Windows XP box it did not work all that well either...

On 12/1/07 10:24 AM, in article 011220070724133699%nospam@nospam.invalid,

>> That is not entirely true.  There is a VMWare VPC to VMWare importer under
>> Windows.  I have used it in the past 6 months.  For the Mac I don't know as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> ideally yes, but a lot of people are not interested in discarding an
> existing windows system and then reinstalling everything from scratch.
Richard Cardona - 02 Dec 2007 07:08 GMT
> ideally yes, but a lot of people are not interested in discarding an
> existing windows system and then reinstalling everything from scratch.

I find that the more technical the user, the more this is true, since
Microsoft offers the Windows XP File and Settings transfer wizard which
migrates bookmarks, all documents under Documents and Settings, user
preferences, background image, and icon positions (seemingly).

But so many users are either unaware or untrusting of that tool because
you have re-install your apps.  IMO, that's a perfect time to separate
what you've used vs. what's been built-up.  Fight the pack rat mentality!

Of course, it also depends where you've gotten your applications, e.g.
"what web site did I download squirrel utility 0.783" from?? :)

FWIW, I've used the File and Settings transfer wizard successfully a few
times especially for relatives machine migrations.  But I've also
learned to tailor my system modifications to be be compatible with it.

And I keep all my OS mods like registry changes, etc in .reg files under
D&S so I can reapply them on the next migration.
 
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