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I was told today by Microsoft today that you cannot use Virtual PC on any intel based Mac. I assume if your Leopard is installed on one of the older versions of Macs, it might work. I would call Microsoft tech help. > I was told today by Microsoft today that you cannot use Virtual PC on > any intel based Mac. I assume if your Leopard is installed on one of > the older versions of Macs, it might work. I would call Microsoft > tech help. With less expensive and excellent alternatives springing into existence such as Parallels, VMWare and CrossOver Mac, Microsoft saw little profit in porting VirtualPC to the Intel platform. I'm not sure how well VPC will work on Leopard.  Signaturebill William M. Smith, Microsoft Interop MVP - Mac/Windows Entourage Help Page <http://entourage.mvps.org/> Entourage Help Blog <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/> > > I was told today by Microsoft today that you cannot use Virtual PC on > > any intel based Mac. I assume if your Leopard is installed on one of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > such as Parallels, VMWare and CrossOver Mac, Microsoft saw little profit > in porting VirtualPC to the Intel platform. Technically they already had VirtualPC for the Intel platform and you can still buy it for Windows computers ... the problem is they didn't want to bother re-writing it (yet again) for MacOS computers. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > Technically they already had VirtualPC for the Intel platform and you > can still buy it for Windows computers ... the problem is they didn't > want to bother re-writing it (yet again) for MacOS computers. VPC for Windows is now a free download. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.msp x > Virtual PC 2007 is now available > Whether Microsoft virtualization technology is an important component of your > existing infrastructure or you're just a Virtual PC enthusiast, you can now > download Virtual PC 2007 absolutely free. > Technically they already had VirtualPC for the Intel platform and you > can still buy it for Windows computers ... the problem is they didn't > want to bother re-writing it (yet again) for MacOS computers. Unless...you're running Boot Camp natively on an Intel Mac. VPC 2007 works great under Windows via Boot Camp :-) On Oct 26, 9:59 pm, rl...@nj.rr.com wrote: > I was told today by Microsoft today that you cannot use Virtual PC on > any intel based Mac. I assume if your Leopard is installed on one of > the older versions of Macs, it might work. I would call Microsoft > tech help. Leopard actually breaks Virtual PC, specifically the KEXT file. On Oct 29, 7:46 am, wyoung.8...@gmail.com wrote: > On Oct 26, 9:59 pm, rl...@nj.rr.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Leopard actually breaks Virtual PC, specifically the KEXT file. I note, from other mail repated to this topic, that other people are claiming that VPC 7.0.3 works ok after they have installed Leopard. Why should the KEXT file be "broken" and what is the affect? I have an Intel based iMac running the latest version of leopard and virtual Pc will not install period. What are my alternatives as far as downloads are concerned? I don't wanna purchase another program just to use virtual pc for a few applications. VPC does not run on an Intel Mac. Your options are Parallels or Boot Camp for running Windows on your Mac. I have an Intel based iMac running the latest version of leopard and virtual Pc will not install period. What are my alternatives as far as downloads are concerned? I don't wanna purchase another program just to use virtual pc for a few applications. "kerry moses" wrote in message news:ee7f11a.8@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw... > I have an Intel based iMac running the latest version of leopard and > virtual Pc will not install period. What are my alternatives as far as > downloads are concerned? I don't wanna purchase another program just to > use virtual pc for a few applications. The only way to get Virtual PC to run on an Intel-based Mac would be to run it inside a PowerPC emulator ... and it would be EXTREMELY slow (assuming you can find one that runs a new enough version of the Mac operating system to run your version of Virtual PC). More sensibly you need to sell Virtual PC on eBay or give it away, or even just throw it away. Then you have to buy one of the following options, none of which are free (although some have free trial versions): Parallels Desktop http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/ Similar to Virtual PC, it runs Windows inside a Mac OS X window. VMWare Fusion http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ Another option that is similar to Virtual PC, it runs Windows inside a Mac OS X window. Boot Camp http://www.apple.com/bootcamp Lets you have a dual-boot computer, but you have to reboot to sawp between Windows and Mac OS X. This is the best choice for games or other 3D-reliant applications since it runs at "full speed" and uses the 3D graphics card in your Mac. iEmulator http://www.iemulator.com I don't know much about this one, but it calls itself an "emulator" despite running on Intel Macs, so may be slower than the other options. CrossOver http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ This lets you run SOME Windows applications directly in MacOS X itself. The list of compatible applications is limited, but changing all the time. Apart from CrossOver, you will also need to buy a legal version of Windows itself ... NOT the one that may have come with your copy of Virtual PC. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) I also own iEmulator. It's a version of QEMU. So it is an emulator on both PPC and Intel. It does work but is not as polished as VPC nor as fast. For $20 it's not that bad but for an Intel user I'd get Parallels or VMWare. On 2/2/08 10:33 PM, in article 030220081633500849%helpful_harry@nom.de.plume.com, "Helpful Harry" <helpful_harry@nom.de.plume.com> wrote: > "kerry moses" wrote in message news:ee7f11a.8@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw... >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) Hi! I need to run 3 different versions of Windows -- amnd I could do so very well with my G4 Mac and Virtual PC 7.0.3 (although they were not too fast, all worked). Now I got a new Intel-based MacBook and bootCamp is included free, but it only allows me to run one version of Windows ... as far as I understand. Anyone knows if there is a way, e.g. with BootCamp, or with Parallels or any of the others mentioned here to install more than one Windows version? Thanks! You can use Parallels to run several versions of Windows. Just create a different virtual machine for each one. Hi! I need to run 3 different versions of Windows -- amnd I could do so very well with my G4 Mac and Virtual PC 7.0.3 (although they were not too fast, all worked). Now I got a new Intel-based MacBook and bootCamp is included free, but it only allows me to run one version of Windows ... as far as I understand. Anyone knows if there is a way, e.g. with BootCamp, or with Parallels or any of the others mentioned here to install more than one Windows version? Thanks! > > Hi! > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You can use Parallels to run several versions of Windows. Just create a > different virtual machine for each one. You can also install as many different operating systems with Boot Camp as you want, not just Windows (limited by hard drive space of course). You then reboot the computer into whichever one you want to use. No doubt VMWare Fusion lets you create multiple virtual machines as well. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) Harry, are you sure Boot Camp will support more than one partition at a time? >> > Hi! >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > >> > I need to run 3 different versions of Windows -- amnd I could do so > >> > very well with my G4 Mac and Virtual PC 7.0.3 (although they were not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Harry, are you sure Boot Camp will support more than one partition at a > time? Not 100% since I've never used it, but I have read about a few other people who have triple / quadruple / quintuple booting Macs where they can choose MacOS, Windows 98, Windows 2000 / XP and Linux (and possibly something like BeOS). Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) As Frank says, Boot Camp only supports one Windows partition. It does not have to be on the same drive with OS/X but it has to be on an internal drive. I have read references to a few multiboot systems of the type you describe but they were not put together with Boot Camp or with anything else generally available. >> >> > I need to run 3 different versions of Windows -- amnd I could do so >> >> > very well with my G4 Mac and Virtual PC 7.0.3 (although they were [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > As Frank says, Boot Camp only supports one Windows partition. It does not > have to be on the same drive with OS/X but it has to be on an internal [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Boot Camp supports only ONE additional partition (direct from Apple support). In addition, versions of Windows earlier than Windows XP will NOT install. For Parallels, you require, at minimum, Windows XP. Earlier versions will also not install. Not sure about VMware Hope that helps clear the confusion In article <52ed5da0-7c25-4301-978a-4303a169081e@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > For Parallels, you require, at minimum, Windows XP. Earlier versions > will also not install. According to the Parallels site it supports a very wide range of guest OSs, including Windows 3.1 to Vista inclusive. http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/sr/ > Not sure about VMware VMware also supports many OSs, including many Windows versions. http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/system_requirements.html >>>>> I need to run 3 different versions of Windows -- amnd I could do so >>>>>very well with my G4 Mac and Virtual PC 7.0.3 (although they were not [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) I was looking for a way to migrate my VPC Virtual Machine to an Intel Mac running Boot Camp and came across these tips: http://tinyurl.com/47fzem (link to MacOSXHints) In summary, you have to install a fresh verison of Windows XP/Vista under Boot Camp, then install VPC for Windows and finally migrate the old Virtual Machine image file to VPC for Windows. My reasons for mentioning it is this reply are: 1) It seems that VPC for Windows running under Windows installed in Boot Camp (take a breath) is one way to have several Windows Virtual Machines on the same Mac 2) Is there another way to migrate the VPC Virtual Machine to Boot Camp ? (Parallels is looking more and more attractive!) Cheers Michael Paine When you use Boot Camp you are not setting up a virtual machine. You are running Windows natively. The Boot Camp assistant configures an Intel Mac so that Windows can be installed and dual-booted with OS/X. The Leopard dvd has the Mac drivers for Windows that Windows needs in order to use the Mac devices under Windows. What you cannot do is use the cds that came with VPC7 for a PPC Mac to install Windows on an Intel Mac running Windows natively. For one thing, several key files needed for a standalone installation of Windows were removed from the Windows bundled with VPC7 so that kind of installation could not be done. Also, the license for the Windows bundled with VPC7 does not permit the use of that copy of Windows except with VPC7 and, of course, VPC7 does not run on Intel. The license does not permit any other type of transfer. What you can do is transfer your files from your PPC Mac Windows vm to the Windows running natively on your Intel Mac. I suggest you do that over a network. You will need to reinstall the apps that you have been using in the vm but that is usually not a lengthy task. The problem with imaging Windows from the PPC Mac to the Intel Mac is that the OS is tailored to run in a vm under VPC7. You want the retail copy of XP to be the one running in the Intel Mac instead, not the one you were using on the PPC Mac. Since you are talking about installing a retail copy on the Intel Mac anyway, there is no need to image the old system. Just transfer your files and reinstall your apps. And, of course, you want to avoid the licensing issue that would result from transferring the image. As for Parallels, you have the same licensing issues. You still need a fresh copy of XP. Besides, running Windows natively has many advantages over running it in a vm, especially when it comes to leveraging the Mac hardware. There is no reason why you cannot use VPC 2007 on Windows to run virtual machines but it is the same as running virtual machines on any Windows computer. No big deal except that you need a separate license for each Windows vm. You can also run Windows in virtual machines on the OS/X side using an OS/X virtualization program like Parallels, again as long as all vms are properly licensed. >>>>>> I need to run 3 different versions of Windows -- amnd I could do so >>>>>>very well with my G4 Mac and Virtual PC 7.0.3 (although they were not [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Cheers > Michael Paine > ... but I have > read about a few other people who have triple / >> quadruple / quintuple booting Macs where they > can choose MacOS, Windows 98, Windows 2000 / > XP and Linux (and possibly something like BeOS). It would then be important to find out the HOW-TO. I doubt that this is possible. When you open the "Boot Camp Assistant" program it only allows you to create one additional partition (in addition to the Mac partition, I mean). Frank And is has to be on an internal drive. > ... but I have > read about a few other people who have triple / >> quadruple / quintuple booting Macs where they > can choose MacOS, Windows 98, Windows 2000 / > XP and Linux (and possibly something like BeOS). It would then be important to find out the HOW-TO. I doubt that this is possible. When you open the "Boot Camp Assistant" program it only allows you to create one additional partition (in addition to the Mac partition, I mean). Frank I have just tried to install virtual pc 6.1 on my mac os x 10.4 G5. A message comes up saying virtual pc does not support the cpu in this macintosh. Help! what does this mean and bearing in mind I know little about computors, - (I am not technically minded) , what can I do? > I have just tried to install virtual pc 6.1 on my mac os x 10.4 G5. A message > comes up saying virtual pc does not support the cpu in this macintosh. Help! > what does this mean and bearing in mind I know little about computors, - (I > am not technically minded) , what can I do? The version of VPC for Macintosh that runs on a G5 is 7.03. You'll need to buy an upgrade. Your version won't work. SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... > The version of VPC for Macintosh that runs on a G5 is 7.03. You'll need > to buy an upgrade. Your version won't work. There seems to be some contradicting information here and I am very confused. I have been running VPC 7 on my iBook G4 no problem for a couple of years. I just bought an iMac G5 Intel based. I tried to install Virtual PC 7 on it, and it keeps saying: "This application quit unexpectedly" on start up. I went on Version tracker, downloaded 7.0.3, and it says as I am attempting to run the installation "this software cannot be installed on this computer". So: Can I or can I not use Virtual PC on my intel Mac? If not and I buy Parallels or something like it, do I need to buy another copy of Windows XP or or would I be able to use the one that came with Virtual PC? thanks for your help. Isabelle Intel Macs are not a G5 or PPC based. VPC on runs on a PPC CPU G3, G4, or G5 based system. So VPC will not run on your new Intel iMac. You need to either try a free Open Source product or purchase Vmware, Parallels, or use the included Boot Camp that Apple supplies as part of OSX 10.5. Classic Computer and Video Game items for Sale/Trade http://fmhcentral.freeservers.com/ On 4/5/08 1:56 PM, in article d24f0218-5c1a-43f1-bc0f-c9242f68215b@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com, >> The version of VPC for Macintosh that runs on a G5 is 7.03. You'll need >> to buy an upgrade. Your version won't work. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > thanks for your help. > Isabelle No. Not on an intel Mac. On Apr 1, 6:19 pm, Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > The version of VPC for Macintosh that runs on a G5 is 7.03. You'll need > to buy an upgrade. Your version won't work. There seems to be some contradicting information here and I am very confused. I have been running VPC 7 on my iBook G4 no problem for a couple of years. I just bought an iMac G5 Intel based. I tried to install Virtual PC 7 on it, and it keeps saying: "This application quit unexpectedly" on start up. I went on Version tracker, downloaded 7.0.3, and it says as I am attempting to run the installation "this software cannot be installed on this computer". So: Can I or can I not use Virtual PC on my intel Mac? If not and I buy Parallels or something like it, do I need to buy another copy of Windows XP or or would I be able to use the one that came with Virtual PC? thanks for your help. Isabelle In article <d24f0218-5c1a-43f1-bc0f-c9242f68215b@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, > There seems to be some contradicting information here and I am very > confused. I have been running VPC 7 on my iBook G4 no problem for a > couple of years. I just bought an iMac G5 Intel based. As others have said, the confusion is on your part. A "G5" is a different an older Mac to an "Intel" one. The "G" line of names comes from theMotorola PowerPC chip used in those older machines. Apple now uses Intel's chips. Virtual PC is basically an emulator that translates Window program code into something the PowerPC chip can understand (which is why it's so slow), hence Virtual PC will not work on the newer Intel-based Macs. For an Intel Mac you need Parallels Desktop, VMWare, or Apple's own Boot Camp (comes with Mac OS X 10.5). On the plus side, any of these are much faster then Virtual PC since translation between different chips is no longer needed. > So: Can I or can I not use Virtual PC on my intel Mac? If not and I > buy Parallels or something like it, do I need to buy another copy of > Windows XP or or would I be able to use the one that came with > Virtual PC? No. You can't use the copy of Windows that came with Virtual PC for any other product. It is licensed only for use with Virtual PC, just like any version of Windows or Mac OS that comes bundeled with a real computer is licensed only for that computer. You will need to buy a new Windows license to use with Parallels, VMWare or Boot Camp on the Intel Mac. The only two exceptions are if the version of Windows was actually a separate boxed copy that the shop itself bundeled with "Virtual PC (no Windows)", OR if you bought a separate version of Windows yourself. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > > The version of VPC for Macintosh that runs on a G5 is 7.03. You'll need > > to buy an upgrade. Your version won't work. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > thanks for your help. > Isabelle VPC is NOT compatible with the Intel Mac. You can purchase and install Parallels but you will need a retail version of Windows XP to install. The version that shipped with VPC is licensed ONLY for the VPC application environment. > I have just tried to install virtual pc 6.1 on my mac os x 10.4 G5. A message comes up saying virtual pc does not support the cpu in this macintosh. Help! what does this mean and bearing in mind I know little about computors, - (I am not technically minded) , what can I do? Virtual PC 6.x is not compatible with PPC G5 computers. You will need VPC 7 |
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