Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
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Jonathan Coulter - 21 Oct 2007 15:54 GMT I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!
Steve Jain - 21 Oct 2007 19:37 GMT >I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version >10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do >not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks! VPC has been ended by MS. It's unknown if another update for Leopard will be issued, but don't count on it.
Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC.
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Fred Horvat - 21 Oct 2007 23:36 GMT I agree that every release of OSX normally has broken something in VPC. We'll all find out in a week what happens to VPC. I also have iEmulator and Open OSX for emulation but VPC is the most polished and has the best performance. I hope that VPC does work under OSX 10.5 as I have a lot of production Windows environments setup under VPC. If not then a dual boot system between 10.4 and 10.5 is in order. That is if the file systems don't change drastically like between 10.3 and 10.4.
On 10/21/07 2:37 PM, in article 627nh3pi0hhj95kk3sn25iubtp9u8naoik@4ax.com,
>> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version >> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC. Mario Been - 22 Oct 2007 12:27 GMT This is not a real solution to the problem is it? Wait until Leopard is there and see what happens. How long is the Beta there so Microsoft has had opportunity to test VPC under Leopard?
It's an easy solution Microsoft always makes no longer to support a product. Now they have to wait until all powerpc users are finally using the newer intel chipset so nobody worries about it at all.
I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us?
The solution to all those feeling lost too is that more and more can be done under Mac OS X itself. Instead of turning to Virtual PC we should turn to our very own Mac. We do not have to use Microsoft software any longer to get something done. Search the Apple Downloads page for what you need to do and download an appointed program. And say farewell to Microsoft foregood!
On 10/22/07 12:36 AM, in article C3414CCA.204F%fmh@copper.net, "Fred Horvat" <fmh@copper.net> wrote:
> I agree that every release of OSX normally has broken something in VPC. > We'll all find out in a week what happens to VPC. I also have iEmulator and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC. Fred Horvat - 23 Oct 2007 00:31 GMT Well unfortunately for me there are a few apps that are Windows only. Not many but a few that there are no other options for. Then there is a few Web Sites that are IE for Windows only like Microsoft's own Business Partner Site. It states that it is IE only and not just Windows as I have tried under OSX, Windows, and Linux and all say the same thing. Only Windows and IE allows me in. So until the rest of the world recognizes Macs then we have the crutch of Virtualization.
Having said that though I will always be using virtualization on my Macs and Windows machines. For me it is a wonderful tool. It allows me to test apps and Operating systems without having to have all the extra machines like in the past. Just too bad I can not virtualize OSX legally yet if ever.
On 10/22/07 7:27 AM, in article C34255AC.B2C%mbeen@kpnplanet.nl, "Mario Been" <mbeen@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
> This is not a real solution to the problem is it? Wait until Leopard is > there and see what happens. How long is the Beta there so Microsoft has had [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>> >>> Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC. Mac G - 23 Oct 2007 00:50 GMT > Then there is/are a few Web > Sites that are IE for Windows only like Microsoft's own Business Partner > Site. It states that it is IE only and not just Windows as I have tried > under OSX, Windows, and Linux and all say the same thing. Only Windows and > IE allows me in. So until the rest of the world recognizes Macs then we > have the crutch of Virtualization. Some approaches you could try to get into those IE only sites.
1. VPC/WinXP Pro with Windows Explorer 7 works for sure.
2. Safari 3 on MacOS X and Win, fake your identity as IE 6. Debug > User Agent > select MSIE 6. I tried Safari 3 faked as MSIE 6 and successfully got through to the MS security download site, which normally stops Macs.
3. iCab on MacOS X, set identity to View > Default Identity.
Mac G - 23 Oct 2007 00:44 GMT > I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but > I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us? Why should you feel lost, assuming VPC does the job you bought it for?
If Leopard breaks VPC/Win I suggest you not use Leopard until you move to an Intel Mac. Then keep your PPC Mac for overlap with your future Intel Mac and then look very closely at Parallels for Win support. <:)
Mario Been - 23 Oct 2007 11:54 GMT Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low.... And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements, Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that way. Just a pity that for this final system Microsoft halts all support.
But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating Apples or testing and improving their software?
On 10/23/07 1:44 AM, in article tomacguy-628181.16440922102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G" <tomacguy@PCheaven.net> wrote:
>> I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but >> I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Then keep your PPC Mac for overlap with your future Intel Mac and then > look very closely at Parallels for Win support. <:) Richard Cardona - 23 Oct 2007 13:03 GMT > But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to > have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users > can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the > Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating > Apples or testing and improving their software? <sarcasm ooxml="false"> Supposedly they work on Office 2008 basics, breaking compatibility like dropping VBasic, instead of providing parity with Access, Outlook, Project, etal. </sarcasm>
Steve Jain - 23 Oct 2007 19:54 GMT >Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that >Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low.... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating >Apples or testing and improving their software? VPC was discontinued long before Leopard was in the mix.
 Signature Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft.
Mario Been - 23 Oct 2007 20:18 GMT That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
On 10/23/07 8:54 PM, in article tpgsh354kkifeg2aiqv9i4qgc4lq49cldi@4ax.com,
>> Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that >> Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low.... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > VPC was discontinued long before Leopard was in the mix. Steve Jain - 23 Oct 2007 20:38 GMT >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by Microsoft.
 Signature Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft.
Fred Horvat - 23 Oct 2007 23:09 GMT I guess we'll find out in this forum in a few days when a few of us get 10.5 and try VPC out.
On 10/23/07 3:38 PM, in article ddjsh3h52buitaob4624m53oven86encdo@4ax.com,
>> That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? >> > It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by > Microsoft. Barry Margolin - 24 Oct 2007 05:00 GMT > >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? > > > It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by > Microsoft. Is that really true? There's a difference between working on new features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes. Obviously, porting VPC to Intel Macs would have been a major project, and it's understandable why they didn't bother (especially since there's heavy competition in that market: Boot Camp, Parallels, and CrossOver). But supporting a new OS X release on PPC Macs shouldn't be as much work, and we don't have any other alternative.
 Signature Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
Mac G - 24 Oct 2007 20:11 GMT > There's a difference between working on new > features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But supporting a new OS X release on PPC Macs shouldn't be as much work, > and we don't have any other alternative. I doubt M$ would do much to modify VPC for Leopard. There's no payoff in it for them. Lets wait and see if VPC works, only a week or so to hear user comments.
Mary Mac - 27 Dec 2007 19:00 GMT I just go a new MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard; I loaded VPC and it will not launch. I wish I would have checked this discussion group before I bought VPC back last fall. What a crock! There was a deal for Windows with the MacBook Pro that I did not take because I though I already had a working windows emulation.
I don't suppose there is any chance of any special offers from MS for an alternative that works if they are not going to do any kind of updates for VPC. This situation really blows!
> > There's a difference between working on new > > features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in it for them. > Lets wait and see if VPC works, only a week or so to hear user comments. Barry Margolin - 27 Dec 2007 21:48 GMT > I just go a new MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard; I loaded VPC and it will not > launch. I wish I would have checked this discussion group before I bought VPC This has nothing to do with Leopard. VPC-Mac only runs on PowerPC Macs, MacBooks are Intel.
 Signature Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
Colin Barnhorst - 27 Dec 2007 23:13 GMT Unfortunately, VPC for Mac requires a PPC, not Intel, Mac. Since it does not run even under Rosetta there is no possibility of running it on a MacBook Pro. Of course Leopard includes the Boot Camp 2.0 software necessary for running Windows natively on your MacBook Pro (I use XP Pro on my MacBook Pro that way) but you would have to buy a retail version of Windows (full edition, no upgrade edition) to take advantage of it. The version of Windows that came bundled with VPC for Mac cannot be installed using Boot Camp.
>I just go a new MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard; I loaded VPC and it will >not [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> in it for them. >> Lets wait and see if VPC works, only a week or so to hear user comments. Paul Power - 25 Oct 2007 18:40 GMT > >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/ > I do not work for Microsoft. Time to clarify a few items:
First, Microsoft has never tested any product on beta software. So, the fact that the beta version of Leopard has been around for a while is irrelevant.
Second, will VPC work in Leopard? Nobody knows at this point.
Third, if it doesn't work, will MS provide an update as they did with Tiger (7.0.2)? Nobody knows at this point.
Lastly, Microsoft STILL supports VPC. If you have a problem with VPC on a G3, G4, or G5, tech support is most definitely readily available.
There is a big difference between providing technical support and providing updates for a product that is at the end of it's life cycle. Go to your favorite computer store and you will find that VPC is still being sold and because of that, Microsoft is required to provide tech support. There are a lot of ppl still using G3, G4 and G5 PPC Macs. Boot Camp and Parallels and the other virtualization/emulation programs out there don't work on PPCs
Helpful Harry - 25 Oct 2007 21:05 GMT > > >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Boot Camp and Parallels and the other virtualization/emulation > programs out there don't work on PPCs Programs like Boot Camp, Parallels and VMWare don't work on PowerPC machines because they require Intel chips, but of course there certainly are other emulation programs that do work on PowerPC based Macs, although being shareware / freeware they do tend to be more difficult to set-up and often less compatible. Take a look at http://emulation.victoly.com or the more up-to-date http://www.emuscene.com for links.
Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
nospam - 27 Oct 2007 03:10 GMT > >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? > > > It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by > Microsoft. virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is *has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard.
Mac G - 27 Oct 2007 09:03 GMT > virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship > with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is > *has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at > microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard. M$ may sell it, but that doesn't say it will work on the latest MacOS.
M$ was selling VPC7 to Mac Intel users. It was a deal to purchasers of the full Office 2004 and no mention was made of not supporting Intel Macs. They now state that on their web site. I bought my copy of the latest VPC7/WinXP Pro from a chap who bought it with Office for his Intel Mac and couldn't return it.
Paul Power - 30 Oct 2007 18:15 GMT > In article <261020071910209401%nos...@nospam.invalid>, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I bought my copy of the latest VPC7/WinXP Pro from a chap who bought it > with Office for his Intel Mac and couldn't return it. Microsoft doen't sell software directly. You need to purchase through retail/wholesale outlets. In addition, read the System Requirements that are printed in plain view on the package. It states that it requires a 700Mhz native* G3, G4, or G5 processor.
Mac G - 30 Oct 2007 19:41 GMT > > In article <261020071910209401%nos...@nospam.invalid>, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > that are printed in plain view on the package. It states that it > requires a 700Mhz native* G3, G4, or G5 processor. The retailers either aren't being up front on VPC being incompatible with Intel Macs or they don't know. In the case of the copy I bought at a distressed price, the chap said the Best Buy people didn't know that limitation and they wouldn't take it back. He was a Switcher not up to date on all things Mac.
I'm looking at the package now and there is nothing on it regarding the Macs it supports. It just says "Virtual PC version 7 for Mac". It would have been nice of M$ to have notified the selling chain, but I realize they wanted to unload their stock, which must be from before Intel Macs. They did that by unloading it at a deal price to those buying full Mac Office. They even had the deal on their web site, before they put up the Intel Mac limitation.
I'm not complaining as I benefited, but just feeling sorry for the users taken in.
Helpful Harry - 30 Oct 2007 20:53 GMT > > > In article <261020071910209401%nos...@nospam.invalid>, > > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I'm not complaining as I benefited, but just feeling sorry for the users > taken in. Salesdroids rarely know what they're talking about. That's mainly because one week they're selling shoes, the next week they're selling computers and the following week they're selling cars ... all they're doing is chasing their commission / bonus.
As for the limitations of VirtualPC, I've been saying for years that it needs a massive sticker on the front saying "NOT for games". :o\
Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
Paul Power - 30 Oct 2007 21:37 GMT > In article <1193764530.864610.163...@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Take a look at the packaging again. On the back is a listing for 'System Requirements'. It's the very FIRST requirement. BTW, the price of Office 2004 for Mac Professional has not changed at any time since being deployed. There has been no 'deal price' and do you really think that M$ needs to 'unload' stock? Ahhhhhhh, reality check??/
Mac G - 05 Nov 2007 08:32 GMT > Take a look at the packaging again. On the back is a listing for > 'System Requirements'. It's the very FIRST requirement. BTW, the price > of Office 2004 for Mac Professional has not changed at any time since > being deployed. Absolutely nothing about system requirements on the VPC package I have. Perhaps there was an outside package over it, which I don't have.
Nothing in the printed instructions about Intel Macs either. The Mac requirements are stated as 700MHz+ G3, G4 or G5 running OS X.28 or X.3x. Obviously this copy of VPC was packaged before the Intel Macs.
>There has been no 'deal price' and do you really think > that M$ needs to 'unload' stock? Ahhhhhhh, reality check??/ Now lets not be nasty. I saw the deal advertised and the chap who sold VPC to me quoted it. I believe it was $100 US for VPC7/WinXP Pro if you bought Office 2004 full edition.
This copy which he just bought in the summer has VPC7.0, so it is "just a bit" old. Of course M$ and/or the resellers had stock to unload. Who isn't facing reality.
I'm going to leave this thread here Paul as you simply seem resistant to facts. How much does M$ pay you?
Paul Power - 08 Nov 2007 18:47 GMT > In article <1193776657.639913.141...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I'm going to leave this thread here Paul as you simply seem resistant to > facts. How much does M$ pay you? I won't get into a huge debate with you here, Mac G. And I won't stoop low enough reply to your last sentence:
However, just to 'refresh' your memory, this is a posting YOU made on Oct 11 in another thread:
In article <tomacguy-EBC17B.00362025092...@news.telus.net>,
> In article <1190656032.554130.144...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, > clew <d...@wellspringlimited.com> wrote:
> > VPC Customer Service said " VPC isn't compatible with Mac OS 10.4". > > So what's it for?
>That's strange, it runs fine on my G4/1.25 with Tiger X.4.10 >The below is the system requirements from my VPC 7.02 read me.
> 1 System requirements > To install and run Virtual PC for Mac Version 7 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ? 512 MB of RAM and 3 GB of free hard-disk > ? A 700 MHz processor, minimum
>It mentions Tiger, but the Getting Started book that came with it is out >of date as it only says Jaguar or Panther. So......stop trying to BS people and feigning ignorance about the system requirements for VPC. It CLEARLY states G3, G4,or G5. Or do you just read what you want?
Mac G - 24 Oct 2007 04:51 GMT > Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that > Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low.... I regret it to, but I appreciate Apple had to do it. Both Motorola and IBM were not keeping the PPC up to the PC industry performance. Apple's PPC volumes were too low to support the development expense.
> And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements, > Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that > way. I haven't seen that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Leopard will probably have a long life, after all what more can they put into it?
>Just a pity that for this final system Microsoft halts all support. For VPC I assume you are referring to. Actually the Intel Macs, then BootCamp and Parallels killed any further Mac VPC development by M$. They would have been dumb to continue VPC development with such strong competition.
Mac users may see Leopard functions the PPC can't use, so many Mac PPC users may stay with Tiger anyway.
> But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to > have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users > can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the > Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating > Apples or testing and improving their software? I would expect another Mac Office soon. It must be difficult to think of new functions to tempt us. Of course they could always update Office 2004 so Leopard breaks it- perhaps they have done that already. <:)
Fred Horvat - 24 Oct 2007 11:34 GMT I don't have the exact link to the quote from MacWorld but it was stated that PPC would be supported for 5 years after the release of the X86 Mac. Well it's already 2 years and it took over 2.5 years between 10.4 and 10.5 (if I remember correctly) so 10.5 may be the last release with that road map. Either way 10.5 requirements excluded most of the PPC base of machines anyway. When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it? Then there's always that corporate bottom line. Is it even worth it to Apple to spend the money to support such a small base?
On 10/23/07 11:51 PM, in article tomacguy-9F694B.20511123102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G" <tomacguy@PCheaven.net> wrote:
>> And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements, >> Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that >> way. > I haven't seen that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Leopard will probably > have a long life, after all what more can they put into it? Mac G - 24 Oct 2007 20:09 GMT > When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it? The last G5s will have a very short MacOS support life. Glad I avoided them. They were too "hot" for me anyway. <:)
Fred Horvat - 25 Oct 2007 00:34 GMT I have a 2.0ghz dual core G5 (last G5s made) and it appears the heat issue was finally resolved with the last G5s. Mine I never once in the 6 months that I have owned it heard the fans kick into high gear. Granted I'm not a 3D graphics design person but VPC and other CPU intensive apps should spin the fans up but so far they have not. So far I'm happy with the machine but 6 months is not long term yet.
On 10/24/07 3:09 PM, in article tomacguy-859FE0.12092724102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G" <tomacguy@PCheaven.net> wrote:
>> When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it? > > The last G5s will have a very short MacOS support life. > Glad I avoided them. > They were too "hot" for me anyway. <:) Mac G - 25 Oct 2007 01:51 GMT Glad to hear Apple/IBM solved the G5 heat problem. Yours would be an improved G5 CPU from IBM. The first G5 editions were a quick redesign of the CPUs IBM used in much larger server boxes,
Yes VPC7/WinXP Pro sticks my G4/1.25 CPU to max.; quietly without much heat fortunately.
> I have a 2.0ghz dual core G5 (last G5s made) and it appears the heat issue > was finally resolved with the last G5s. Mine I never once in the 6 months [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Glad I avoided them. > > They were too "hot" for me anyway. <:) nospam - 27 Oct 2007 02:57 GMT > And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements, > Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that > way. that's pure speculation.
there has not even been any announcement regarding the next version, let alone on which hardware it will run. there are still a *lot* of powerpc macs out there and it isn't that difficult to keep it universal and support at least a powermac g5 and possibly high end g4s.
Colman - 27 Oct 2007 19:35 GMT > I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version > 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do > not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks! Works for me on that configuration.
fallingsnowlake@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 18:33 GMT > I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version > 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do > not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks! I just successfully installed and ran VPC 7.03 in Leopard on my 2 Gh DP PowerMac G5. Everything functioned normally AFAIK, although I did not try printing. Printing is somewhat flakey for me in Tiger anyway; I have to create PDFs in some applications and copy them into the Mac OS to print. The internet worked fine.
I did a full clean install of Leopard first, preceded by the extended Apple Hardware Test of the physical system.
Unfortunately, I had to quickly revert back to Tiger and will remain there until Lexmark updates the driver for my Optra E232.
Fred Horvat - 29 Oct 2007 01:06 GMT Well from a couple of posts here it looks like VPC 7.03 will run under Leopard. Right now I am not having a lot of luck with testing apps under Leopard. When programs fail I have the Console open to see what is going on and so far almost all my problems appear to be related to my Video Card. I have the standard ATI Rage (16 meg VRAM) and most of the errors causing crashes are Open GL, pixel, or font related. This most likely is related to being not able to play DVDs posted on various sites on 16 meg VRAM video cards under Leopard.
I did a clean install onto my stock Cube G4-450 and 1 Gig RAM. Basic stuff built in runs fine except DVD Player. VPC gives me "Invalid File Format" when I try and run my existing Windows 98 setup from my G5 Powermac. iEmulator fails to run as does iWork08 fail to run. Console error logging mostly (I have not read all of them yet) point to video related issues. At this point I'm not overly concerned as the G4 Cube is not my main machine. It was the only G4 machine I have available for testing at the moment. So it appears with my machine that you need a 32 meg VRAM video card or better to run Leopard.
On 10/28/07 1:33 PM, in article 1193592781.257229.222390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
>> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version >> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Unfortunately, I had to quickly revert back to Tiger and will remain > there until Lexmark updates the driver for my Optra E232. Steve Jain - 29 Oct 2007 01:26 GMT >Well from a couple of posts here it looks like VPC 7.03 will run under >Leopard. Right now I am not having a lot of luck with testing apps under [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >it appears with my machine that you need a 32 meg VRAM video card or better >to run Leopard. I thought the min for Leopard was an 867Mhz G4?
 Signature Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft.
Fred Horvat - 29 Oct 2007 11:31 GMT Yes to install but not run. I installed 10.5 to a firewire drive off my G5 and popped the drive into the Cube. 10.5 appears to not to be as fast as 10.4 on the same machine but I have not run the Cube in 6 months since I got my G5 so I can not quantify anything directly but just a gut feel.
On 10/28/07 8:26 PM, in article 54aai31ns6dud121h8miab0fnf76jfeaka@4ax.com,
>> Well from a couple of posts here it looks like VPC 7.03 will run under >> Leopard. Right now I am not having a lot of luck with testing apps under [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I thought the min for Leopard was an 867Mhz G4? MusicNabber - 30 Oct 2007 05:05 GMT Briefly, the answer is YES. how do I know? cuz I am working on Access on my PowerBook G4 which I upgraded to Leopard this past weekend. So quit umming and aahing and get busy. Take a chance or test it yourself.
> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version > 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do > not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!
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