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[News] Virtual PC -> Parallels "Transporter"

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Helpful Harry - 14 Jan 2007 02:16 GMT
The useful bit for Virtual PC users is in the last bullet point.

   Parallels Desktop for Mac Update RC released        
   --------------------------------------------
   Parallels announced that its Update Release Candidate (RC)
   for the Parallels Desktop for Mac, released January 11, has
   been named "Best in Show" at Macworld Expo in San Francisco.

   New features in version 2.0 include:
      - better USB 2.0 support
      - improved Drag and Drop
      - "Coherence," a new view mode that lets users
        running Intel-powered Macs to run Windows
        applications directly on their Mac
      - a new "Transporter" feature that enables
        entire Windows machines, as well as Virtual PC
        and VMware Workstation virtual machine images
        to be migrated to a Parallels virtual machine
        running on the Mac, without having to reinstall
        the operating system or any applications.

   Parallels Desktop for Mac is priced at US$79.99.

BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
of the software agreement to use that operating system installed on
your Virtual PC "hard drive" with ANY other product.

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Kurt - 14 Jan 2007 02:43 GMT
> The useful bit for Virtual PC users is in the last bullet point.
>
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> of the software agreement to use that operating system installed on
> your Virtual PC "hard drive" with ANY other product.

Seems to me that if you give up one location to move it to another, you
shouldn't be punished. We all paid good money for our VPC and OS. Good
for Parallels.

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Helpful Harry - 14 Jan 2007 02:58 GMT
> > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
> > version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
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> shouldn't be punished. We all paid good money for our VPC and OS. Good
> for Parallels.

Precisely - you paid for Virtual PD *AND* the OS. They go together as a
package, and when you installed the software you agreed to the
conditions in ther license terms (whether or not you actually read
them).

If you buy the OS separately, then you can install it on one system of
whatever type you like. That's why it costs more than the bundled
version.

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Kurt - 15 Jan 2007 03:19 GMT
> > > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
> > > version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
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> whatever type you like. That's why it costs more than the bundled
> version.

Not much more - ($25-$30 at the most?)

> Helpful Harry                  
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships  ;o)

Given what we paid, (not cheap) a little good will by Microsoft would go
a long way. T

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Steve Jain - 15 Jan 2007 03:33 GMT
>> > > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
>> > > version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
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>
>Not much more - ($25-$30 at the most?)

It's considerably more than $30.  
VPC (non-upgrade) stand-alone is around $120.
VPC + XP Pro about $230.
Windows XP Pro (non-upgrade) is $200-300.

You're looking at about a $100 difference.

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Kurt - 15 Jan 2007 16:41 GMT
> >> > > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
> >> > > version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
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>
> You're looking at about a $100 difference.

I seemed to have recalled it being cheaper, but $100 to be able to have
flexibility is much better in hindsight.

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Helpful Harry - 15 Jan 2007 05:10 GMT
> > > > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
> > > > version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
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>
> Not much more - ($25-$30 at the most?)

It's more than that, unless you're talking "education" pricing.

> Given what we paid, (not cheap) a little good will by Microsoft would go
> a long way.

I hate defending Microsoft, but they already give you "goodwill" by:

A)  The cost of the bundle is less than you pay for Virtual PC
   and Windows separately.

B)  Like any other user you can buy "Upgrade" versions (for use
   within Virtual PC of course) rather than a full copy.

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Kurt - 15 Jan 2007 16:24 GMT
> > > > > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with
> > > > > a
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> A)  The cost of the bundle is less than you pay for Virtual PC
>     and Windows separately.

Not any real difference. Like I said $20 - $30 dollars.

The best way to buy VPC used to be to get it with the cheapest OS and
then buy a standalone version of the OS you want.

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Helpful Harry - 15 Jan 2007 20:14 GMT
> The best way to buy VPC used to be to get it with the cheapest OS and
> then buy a standalone version of the OS you want.

If you want to legally re-use the OS elsewhere (including on a real
Windows computer rather than an emulated / virtualised one), then the
best way would have been to buy Virtual PC standalone with NO operating
system and then buy the operating system of your choice separately.

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Barry Margolin - 14 Jan 2007 18:36 GMT
> > BUT, Virtual PC users should be aware that if your version came with a
> > version of Windows in the box, then it is actually illegal in the terms
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> shouldn't be punished. We all paid good money for our VPC and OS. Good
> for Parallels.

Unfortunately, what "seems to you" is not what the law says.

It's the same as if you buy a real PC with Windows already installed on
it.  The license for this copy of Windows doesn't allow you to copy it
to another PC.

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Arlington, MA
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