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Mac Forum / Applications / Virtual PC / June 2007Parallels ease transition from VPC
Apparently the next version of Parallels Desktop is going to make it easier to transfer across your "virtual machine" from Virtual PC and VMWare. It also will allow you to use your Boot Camp drive to boot in Parallels (and vice-versa). This leads to a legal question of how they'll deal with the Windows licensing problem when bundled with Virtual PC ... if they even bother to or simply leave it to the user to know they're not allowed to re-use it. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > Apparently the next version of Parallels Desktop is going to make it > easier to transfer across your "virtual machine" from Virtual PC and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to or simply leave it to the user to know they're not allowed to re-use > it. From what you've written, it doesn't sound like it will even be an issue. It sounds like they're going to provide a migration tool that will allow you to extract all the files from the VPC virtual machine, but you'll still need a new license for the Parallels virtual machine.  SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** > > Apparently the next version of Parallels Desktop is going to make it > > easier to transfer across your "virtual machine" from Virtual PC and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > will allow you to extract all the files from the VPC virtual machine, > but you'll still need a new license for the Parallels virtual machine. It's still a little vague since it's only "what's coming". Simply transferring files from one system to the other can include all the files for Windows itself, unless they're purposely not transferring certain files / folders, which would be annoying for those who do have a legal license. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) Since the licenses for the copies of Windows bundled with VPC are essentially OEM and not transferrable from an old computer to a new one, the issue you raise should make for some lively discussion. The license may restrict the software to usage with VPC. If it comes to it, one could obtain another copy of Windows and do a repair install on the system after transferring it to Parallels and that would cure the Windows licensing without disturbing the files, programs, and data. Whether or not the emulated hardware exposed by Parallels is different enough from that in VPC to trigger reactivation in the XP vm's is another potential issue though how much I wouldn't venture to say. And then those who have the Office bundle also have the Office license to consider. Have fun discussing! >> > Apparently the next version of Parallels Desktop is going to make it >> > easier to transfer across your "virtual machine" from Virtual PC and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > Since the licenses for the copies of Windows bundled with VPC are > essentially OEM and not transferrable from an old computer to a new one, the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Have fun discussing! Licensing problems could also appear with Parallels up-coming ability to share the harddrive between Parallels Desktop and Boot Camp ... potentially two "computers" running the same licenses. It could get very messy, especially with products where the small print is already a little vague. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) I doubt it. How you access a pc does not jeopardize the license. As long as you aren't virtualizing the pc partition and creating a whole new virtual machine I don't think it would be a problem. If Parallels were doing a p2v sytle capture then you would be right. But there are many ways to log into a pc (remote desktop, terminal services, Go To My PC, etc) and maybe this is more like those approaches. Unlike the VPC bundle, Boot Camp does not include Windows and the Windows you install on the Windows partition is running completely on its own with no licensing considerations besides the Windows license you supplied yourself. > I doubt it. How you access a pc does not jeopardize the license. As long > as you aren't virtualizing the pc partition and creating a whole new virtual > machine I don't think it would be a problem. If Parallels were doing a p2v > sytle capture then you would be right. But there are many ways to log into > a pc (remote desktop, terminal services, Go To My PC, etc) and maybe this is > more like those approaches. Parallels Build 3036 beta also has a new P/V2V capture tool called Transporter that is an easy ticket for would-be OEM violaters to transfer their VPC Windows to Parallels. While I have migrated machines to VPC, I've never imaged a VPC into another virtualization product. Does anyone know if the OEM copy of VPC is BIOS-locked to VPC? This new version of Parallels (build 3036) is out and it's causing a lot of Windows re-activations. In particular it's causing a problem for Windows installed under Boot Camp being run directly within Parallels. As far as I see, there's no legal way to run any OEM copy of VPC Windows or any other OEM Windows (Dell, Lenovo, Gateway) in Parallels or Boot Camp. Since neither Apple nor Parallels offer OEM copies of Windows, the only possibles sources of Windows are the non-OEM channels like retail, volume, msdn, technet, etc. > Since the licenses for the copies of Windows bundled with VPC are > essentially OEM and not transferrable from an old computer to a new one, the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Have fun discussing! Why am I not surprised? :) > This new version of Parallels (build 3036) is out and it's causing a lot > of Windows re-activations. In particular it's causing a problem for > Windows installed under Boot Camp being run directly within Parallels. > From what you've written, it doesn't sound like it will even be an > issue. It sounds like they're going to provide a migration tool that > will allow you to extract all the files from the VPC virtual machine, > but you'll still need a new license for the Parallels virtual machine. The Parallels migration tool is called Transporter. There's an installer and an optional agent that allows you to remotely capture your Physical PC's or VM's drive(s) over the network, OR, you can image your machine into a Parallels .hdd on a drive and Transporter even creates the appropriate .pvs machine config file. Licensing, of course is a whole other story. I will "assume" users would be aware of the licensing implications of migrating a machine image. Either way most XP/2003/Vista copies will require re-activation in their new environment if they are not based on VLK media. Then of course there's WGA/SPP to keep you in line. > > From what you've written, it doesn't sound like it will even be an > > issue. It sounds like they're going to provide a migration tool that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > in their new environment if they are not based on VLK media. Then of > course there's WGA/SPP to keep you in line. Most people don't have any clue what the licensing says, nor can they be bothered reading it. They simply believe that they've paid for it, they can use it however they want ... the proof is already in the number of people asking how to get the VirtualPC-bundled Windows to install on Boot Camp / Parallels. Given a tool that does it easily, most people will never even know that they're breaking the licensen agreement at all. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) I know that I'm going to have to buy a copy of XP to use in Parallels when I get my MacBook, but I have a different question. I'm currently using VPC with Win2000 on my iBook. Is there a way to get all of my apps and files (except Windows, of course) into Parallels from VPC without having to manually re-install each one? As I don't yet have the MacBook, I'm a bit foggy on how this will work. Thanks! SignatureSandy my ISP is earthlink.net -- put sfoster1(at) in front http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 1. There is a Files and Settings Transfer (FAST) Wizard in XP. After you buy XP SP2 you use the XP cd in your running Win2k on the iBook to run the XP Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It makes a file you then transfer to the Mac side. Burn this to a cd or dvd, according to the size of the file. 2. Install XP SP2 in a Parallels vm on the MacBook. (The order of 1 and 2 is unimportant) 3. Run the FAST wizard in the XP vm and use the disc with the file you made in step one as the source. 4. Install your apps. (The order of 3 and 4 is unimportant) There is no way to transfer the apps. You will need to reinstall them in the vm running on your MacBook. The reason that you cannot just make a Ghost image of the old Windows and transfer that to the new vm is that the old computer is running the wrong OS (Win2K). If you purchased Win2k bundled with VPC, that copy of Windows cannot be transferred to a new computer due to the licensing restrictuons anyway. I hope this helps. >I know that I'm going to have to buy a copy of XP to use in Parallels > when I get my MacBook, but I have a different question. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks! Thanks so much, Colin! That's a *very* helpful guide to what I must do, and I appreciate your taking the time to write out such a detailed explanation. Now I just need to get my MacBook.... ;) But that's planned for right after Christmas. :) > 1. There is a Files and Settings Transfer (FAST) Wizard in XP. After you > buy XP SP2 you use the XP cd in your running Win2k on the iBook to run the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > Thanks! SignatureSandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas my ISP is earthlink.net -- put sfoster1(at) in front http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 AKA Dame Sandy, Minister of Education Enjoy. It's a great machine. > Thanks so much, Colin! That's a *very* helpful guide to what I must do, > and I appreciate your taking the time to write out such a detailed > explanation. Now I just need to get my MacBook.... ;) But that's planned > for right after Christmas. :) Dame Sandy, Minister of Education > Apparently the next version of Parallels Desktop is going to make it > easier to transfer across your "virtual machine" from Virtual PC and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) The EULA contained with Windows XP bundled with Virtual PC states that Windows XP cannot be installed on another computer or emulator. Here is the excerpt from the end user license agreement for Virtual PC: You may install, use, access, display, and run one (1) copy of the OS Product on a single computer on which you have also installed (and which is compatible with and capable of directly executing) VPC for Mac solely for use as a "guest" operating system running in conjunction with VPC for Mac. Even if you are able to transfer Windows XP into Parallels or Bootcamp, Windows XP will see this as a different hardware environment and after it installs the emulated hardware it will prompt you to activate which you will be unable to do. |
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