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Kernel panics with dual CPUs

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Chris Waltham - 27 Nov 2006 20:34 GMT
I know that this topic has been done to death, but I have seen little
evidence as to what one should actually *do* when encountering kernel
panics. I'm using VPC 7.02 on a dual 2.3GHz G5 with 1GB of RAM, running
OS X 10.4.8. I've installed Windows XP (SP1 upgraded to SP2), and I
think I have a repeatable way to panic a system.

For reasons of workflow, I'm using the Virtual Switch method of network
connectivity; which I think plays a large role in getting my system to
panic. However, I have noticed that iTunes (of all things!) is what is
causing me the most grief. Here is the scenario: if I use Virtual
Switch networking, don't launch iTunes at all on my Mac and boot
Windows XP in VPC, I never get a panic. If I use Virtual Switch
networking, launch iTunes on my Mac (even if I *never* play a track)
and boot XP, it will panic within 0-5 minutes of me logging on in XP.
If I use Shared Networking, I don't think it panics at all.

So... what do I do? If worse comes to worse, I suppose I could have new
workflow where I try and use the other NIC built into my G5 for Virtual
Switch networking, perhaps that will cure the problem. But not being
able to use iTunes is a little rough for me :-)

Thanks,

Chris
Colin Barnhorst - 28 Nov 2006 01:02 GMT
Since you are using a dual cpu system is it safe to assume that the XP you
are using is Pro and not Home?

>I know that this topic has been done to death, but I have seen little
> evidence as to what one should actually *do* when encountering kernel
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> Chris
Chris Waltham - 28 Nov 2006 13:59 GMT
> Since you are using a dual cpu system is it safe to assume that the XP you
> are using is Pro and not Home?

Yes Colin, that's correct. It's a Volume License version, if that
matters (i.e. no activation).

Chris

> >I know that this topic has been done to death, but I have seen little
> > evidence as to what one should actually *do* when encountering kernel
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Colin Barnhorst - 28 Nov 2006 17:13 GMT
No it shouldn't matter.  I asked the wrong question since a vm would only
use one logical cpu anyway.  My apologies for not remembering that.

>> Since you are using a dual cpu system is it safe to assume that the XP
>> you
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Chris Waltham - 28 Nov 2006 18:48 GMT
> No it shouldn't matter.  I asked the wrong question since a vm would only
> use one logical cpu anyway.  My apologies for not remembering that.

No problem, Colin :-) I saw some older messages on this group where
people suspect panics originate from something to do with the host
system (OS X) having dual CPUs, so I wanted to make sure I mentioned
it.

It is really baffling, though; if I don't have iTunes open at the time
of launching the VPC, it never panics!

Chris

> >> Since you are using a dual cpu system is it safe to assume that the XP
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Colin Barnhorst - 28 Nov 2006 19:07 GMT
Cute!  :/

>> No it shouldn't matter.  I asked the wrong question since a vm would only
>> use one logical cpu anyway.  My apologies for not remembering that.
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Paul Power - 28 Nov 2006 20:17 GMT
On Nov 28, 3:07 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
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You are correct, Chris. Running iTunes with VPC will cause a kernel
panic. Both are very processor intensive programs and seem to be
competing for CPU time. Even for those who are not experiencing kernel
panics (ie: single processor Macs), iTunes will cause a severe slowdown
in VPC. My best advice? Don't use iTunes when using VPC .....and vice
versa
Michael Vilain - 28 Nov 2006 20:51 GMT
> On Nov 28, 3:07 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com>
> wrote:
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> in VPC. My best advice? Don't use iTunes when using VPC .....and vice
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I've not seen this problem at all on my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4.  I can
run iTunes 7.02 and VPC 7.02 simultaneously without problems.  I have
noticed that sometimes I get really choppy stream playback or something
in VPC shuts down the network connection altogether.  In that case, I
just shutdown VPC, power cycle my cable modem and router, and run
Network Diagnostics.  The connection comes back just fine.  

No panic and no reboot required.  YMMV.

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Paul Power - 28 Nov 2006 22:58 GMT
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It doesn'r seem to affect the G3 or G4.....only the G5
Kurt - 28 Nov 2006 23:33 GMT
> > No it shouldn't matter.  I asked the wrong question since a vm would only
> > use one logical cpu anyway.  My apologies for not remembering that.
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> It is really baffling, though; if I don't have iTunes open at the time
> of launching the VPC, it never panics!

I got a dual 2.7 G5 running 10.4.8 with 2.5 GB RAM and have no problem
with VPC and iTunes. My virtual switch is set to default, though.

> Chris
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Chris Waltham - 29 Nov 2006 14:18 GMT
> > > No it shouldn't matter.  I asked the wrong question since a vm would only
> > > use one logical cpu anyway.  My apologies for not remembering that.
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> I got a dual 2.7 G5 running 10.4.8 with 2.5 GB RAM and have no problem
> with VPC and iTunes. My virtual switch is set to default, though.

At the moment, my Virtual Switch is set to default too -- I haven't
tried experimenting with the settings (yet). But I can crash my VM 100%
of the time if I load iTunes, even if I never play a track :-\

Chris
Kurt - 30 Nov 2006 21:05 GMT
> > > > No it shouldn't matter.  I asked the wrong question since a vm would
> > > > only
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> Chris

Wonder if it's a memory issue? One of the last posters said both were
memory hogs.
I had a horrible intermittant crashing problem with VPC on my G4 dual
867 and 10.3.9. Never found the problem. Things seem more stable on this
newer machine. All my problems are with Windows.

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