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Mac Forum / Applications / Virtual PC / October 2006TRANFER OF LICENSE for WinXP from VPC to Parallels/BootCamp?
Since Microsoft has KILLED Virtual PC for Intel, and therefore guaranteed that the product I purchased (and the included license of Windows XP) can no longer be used. Since Microsoft is ducking out of the market, taking my money and running as it were, I think the LEAST they could do would be allow a legitimate transfer of the Windows XP License to a program that will allow me to use it on my hardware. At this point it would be either a transfer to BootCamp, Parallels, or both. VMWare is coming, so that is a future option. Come on, Microsoft, show us you at least care and aren't leaving us in the cold. There is no reason I should ahve to pay another couple hundred bucks for a copy of Windows XP just becuase you pulled the rug out from under me and aren't going to support the product on the Intel platform. Since Microsoft has KILLED Virtual PC for Intel, and therefore guaranteed that the product I purchased (and the included license of Windows XP) can no longer be used. > The product you purchased CAN be used.......on a G3, G4 or G5 Since Microsoft is ducking out of the market, taking my money and running as it were, I think the LEAST they could do would be allow a legitimate transfer of the Windows XP License to a program that will allow me to use it on my hardware. At this point it would be either a transfer to BootCamp, Parallels, or both. VMWare is coming, so that is a future option. > The choice you made was to purchase the bundled version of VPC with an OEM version of Windows........to save money. Buying the components separately (where you could use Windows on any system) would have cost an extra $100. Paying the extra money would not have left you with the problem you are now facing. Come on, Microsoft, show us you at least care and aren't leaving us in the cold. There is no reason I should ahve to pay another couple hundred bucks for a copy of Windows XP just becuase you pulled the rug out from under me and aren't going to support the product on the Intel platform. So......YOU chose to upgrade to an Intel Mac. YOU chose to purchase the bundled version of VPC which only allows you to use Windows in a VPC environment. Why are you blaming Microsoft for your poor choices? > Since Microsoft has KILLED Virtual PC for Intel, and therefore > guaranteed that the product I purchased (and the included license of [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > bundled version of VPC which only allows you to use Windows in a VPC > environment. Why are you blaming Microsoft for your poor choices? Microsoft care about MacOS X users? WHAT have you been drinking? "I'll have what's she's having."--from WHEN HARRY MET SALLY  SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... Paul, I recognize a M$ troll when I see one, so no cookie for you. > Since Microsoft has KILLED Virtual PC for Intel, and therefore > guaranteed that the product I purchased (and the included license of [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > bundled version of VPC which only allows you to use Windows in a VPC > environment. Why are you blaming Microsoft for your poor choices? > Paul, > > I recognize a M$ troll when I see one, so no cookie for you. LOL. Don't I wish!!!! I hear they make pretty good bucks. I say again. YOU made the decisions. Live with em. >> Paul, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I say again. YOU made the decisions. Live with em. The trouble is, Paul, you are wrong. I purchased THE solution Microsoft made available to run Windows the Mac based on their own recommendations, not trying to save money. If you read the page: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx?pid=whichver According to their own recommendations, I purchased "The premier edition. The best of the best. The big kahuna." Purchasing VPC7 standalone was only recommended if you already had a license of Windows, which I did not. SO, again, tell me how I was being cheap and should be punished? I only followed the grid offered by Microsoft, and therefore I think that they should make good on allowing it to be used when they abandon the product line. Oh, and no where on that page does it say that it is an OEM version or otherwise limited, and further, at the time I purchased the MacBook, it was still widely thought that Microsoft was going to come out with an update as they have in the past despite taking forever for the G5 fix. > >> Paul, > >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > was still widely thought that Microsoft was going to come out with an > update as they have in the past despite taking forever for the G5 fix. Do you complain at the RIAA and MPAA requiring you to buy additional copies of CDs and DVDs for use in your car? For software licensing, the EULA trumps "fair use" and the VPC EULA doesn't grant you a general Windows XP license, so you got what you paid for--a version of XP that is only licensed to run on VPC. If you feel strongly about this, why not file class-action litigation? It's really the only remedy you have. How has whining in a news group helped you with your problem so far? SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... > Do you complain at the RIAA and MPAA requiring you to buy additional > copies of CDs and DVDs for use in your car? Let's throw some more red herring out there. > How has whining in a news group helped you with your problem so far? Whining? This is a Microsoft supported forum, I am simply letting them know of the complaint, it's you and everyone else that seems to want to jump on board and make more out of the issue. The query wasn't an open discussion item for me to hear how you self-appointed professors of all things true and fair feel about it, it was to let Microsoft hear the complaint in their own forum. > > Do you complain at the RIAA and MPAA requiring you to buy additional > > copies of CDs and DVDs for use in your car? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > professors of all things true and fair feel about it, it was to let > Microsoft hear the complaint in their own forum. Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? "Oh boo-hoo. I made the wrong decision and it's everybody's fault but my own." GROW UP! > Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? Not as big as the God complex you and Michael suffer from apparently. Feel free to resist the urge to hit your reply button, the message thread was not for the convenience of your spouting off, it was meant for Microsoft. > the message > thread was not for the convenience of your spouting off, it was meant > for Microsoft. Do you really think M$ listens here or anywhere about VPC problems? I'm sure they no longer have any interest in VPC Mac You might find what you want here- http://windows.serialz.to/ Google no longer helps you, but IMO you have a legitimate use. > Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? > > "Oh boo-hoo. I made the wrong decision and it's everybody's fault but > my own." > > GROW UP! Don't be rude, Paul! Should Steven stick forever to his old iBook/PowerBook G4, or say thank you MS and throw away VPC7? It is definitely not a good behavior for such a company! > > Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > iBook/PowerBook G4, or say thank you MS and throw away VPC7? It is > definitely not a good behavior for such a company! The point is: This is a newsgroup provided for VPC users to interact, exchange information and help each other in using VPC. There is a proper channel set up for people to complain to Microsoft. NOT in the newsgroup. Certainly, there are people who are upset in the way that M$ does business. There is nothing that you or I or anyone else in this newsgroup can do about that. Go to www.microsoft.com, click on 'contact us' at the bottom of the screen and use the proper channel to make your point. > > > Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Go to www.microsoft.com, click on 'contact us' at the bottom of the > screen and use the proper channel to make your point. Or maybe Mr. Palm can just right to Mr. Balmer or Mr. Gates directly. It's about as affective as write to this forum. SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... >>> Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Go to www.microsoft.com, click on 'contact us' at the bottom of the > screen and use the proper channel to make your point. Perhaps you don't realize that this newsgroup is reached by following their endless maze of pages on how to contact them, and is in fact the ONLY non-pay method I could find. It is presented on that page as an official Microsoft communications channel, not as a pure user-to-user mechanism. The VPC 7 support page at http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=2959 does contain the following note, Note Microsoft offers you no-charge support for help with the Windows operating system, until support for the Windows operating system retires. If your question is out of scope for the free support, the technician will tell you and you will not be charged. >>>> Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > official Microsoft communications channel, not as a pure user-to-user > mechanism. Anyone else willing to be part of a class in a lawsuit? I know it'd make a few lawyers rich, and it might even get us a coupon for $10 off a purchase of another copy of XP. It's BS like MS's position on this license that chases people away from using Windows and straight to Macintosh, Linux and other reasonable OSes. Good riddance. I've got a copy of Virtual PC to give away if anyone wants it. >>>> Just exactly how heavy is that chip on your shoulder? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > official Microsoft communications channel, not as a pure user-to-user > mechanism. >Anyone else willing to be part of a class in a lawsuit? I know it'd make a >few lawyers rich, and it might even get us a coupon for $10 off a purchase [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Good riddance. I've got a copy of Virtual PC to give away if anyone wants >it. You mean like Apple's OS license? Where you can't legally use it on anything but Apple hardware? How is it different? Because it's Apple so it's OK. Why can't I buy OS X for Intel and put it on my own hardware, let's get a class action against Apple too! Microsoft offers different licenses at different prices. If you buy an OEM license, it is only for the hardware it came with, real or virtual. This type of license has been in effect for many, many years, before VPC for Mac. You get XP with VPC for a discounted price, because you're getting an OEM license. If you'd had wanted to have the ability to move your license you should have opted for VPC alond and purchased a retail copy of XP. SignatureCheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft. > >Anyone else willing to be part of a class in a lawsuit? I know it'd make a > >few lawyers rich, and it might even get us a coupon for $10 off a purchase [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > license you should have opted for VPC alond and purchased a retail > copy of XP. Jeff, you're better off going to law school, passing the bar, and doing this paper chase on your own. Good luck finding an attorney to take your case. Or maybe it's a slow week for ambulances... SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... > > >Anyone else willing to be part of a class in a lawsuit? I know it'd make a > > >few lawyers rich, and it might even get us a coupon for $10 off a purchase [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > this paper chase on your own. Good luck finding an attorney to take > your case. Or maybe it's a slow week for ambulances... Anything's possible when you realise that a lawyer was stupid enough to take on Apple because an iPod MIGHT damage your hearing IF the user is stupid enough to turn it up to full volume. :o\ Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) >> > >Anyone else willing to be part of a class in a lawsuit? I know it'd make a >> > >few lawyers rich, and it might even get us a coupon for $10 off a purchase [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >take on Apple because an iPod MIGHT damage your hearing IF the user is >stupid enough to turn it up to full volume. :o\ Definitely! My iTunes on my phone isn't loud enough to drown out some ambient noises...sad. SignatureCheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ I do not work for Microsoft. Since this is not a managed newsgroup, if you want to communicate your sentiments to MS I suggest you use http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=feedback MS will not get your message in this ng. >> Do you complain at the RIAA and MPAA requiring you to buy additional >> copies of CDs and DVDs for use in your car? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > things true and fair feel about it, it was to let Microsoft hear the > complaint in their own forum. > Since this is not a managed newsgroup, if you want to communicate your > sentiments to MS I suggest you use > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=feedback > MS will not get your message in this ng. Thank you, Colin. Your response was not only helpful, giving a direct link that I wasn't able to find on their support pages, but you were quite polite. I appreciate it, and am sending a note off to them for all the good that it will do. Steve You're welcome. >> Since this is not a managed newsgroup, if you want to communicate your >> sentiments to MS I suggest you use [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Steve >> Do you complain at the RIAA and MPAA requiring you to buy additional >> copies of CDs and DVDs for use in your car? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > professors of all things true and fair feel about it, it was to let > Microsoft hear the complaint in their own forum. Ummm... this is certainly a Microsoft-hosted forum, but while it may be a Microsoft-supported forum, it isn't a Microsoft support forum. That is, Microsoft may well be hosting the forum, but it's not for them to listen to your complaints about issues that have been presented to you in black and white when you purchased the product. If you didn't want to abide by their license and terms and conditions of use, then you should have taken the product back within the 30 days they allow you. I would also have liked the idea of transferring the single-user license of Windows XP to my Mac, but according to the license agreement that ships with Virtual PC, the license is not transferrable. So... you may as well just stop complaining and move on. And here's some tips to help you move on: -- Microsoft XP Home can be used on your MacBook (Pro), although you'd be wasting a core in your Core Duo processor. Also, you may not be happy with the power management performance (or lack of) of XP Home. But it's cheaper, than the Professional version, and most of what you'll ever need is there. -- Find solutions which are not bound to Microsoft technology. It's amazing what software is available on the Mac that can be used in place of many Windows-only titles. Sometimes, it may take a combination of software programs and changes to your workflow, but while the Macintosh software market is not as vast as that of Windows, there is still the aspect that almost every imaginable application for using your computer is covered by the Macintosh software library. And, learn some AppleScript -- unlike Windows, you can actually make custom solutions with much of your Macintosh software by binding them together with scripting. -- Find a cheap, second-hand PowerPC-based Mac and run Virtual PC on that. -- Find a dirt-cheap PC and run Windows on that. Cheers! Signature-- -- tonza (to e-mail, grab my "UUCP-like address", and translate it to the usual SMTP/sendmail form; hint, the translation is ridiculously simple!) I'm sorry but you are incorrect. Running XP Home SP2 on a MacBook Pro does not waste one of the Core Duo cores. I run it on a MacBook Pro and am looking at the Performance Tab in Task Manager and sure do see two logical cpu graphs. While it is true that Home can only run on a system with one physical processor and Pro can run on a system with two, those are cpu sockets, not cores. If you have a dual proc workstation you must use Pro and not Home, but Home can use all the cores on the one processor it can run on and that can be either dual cores or quad cores. The cores are displayed as logical processors in Task Manager. What you are indicating would mean that Home could not take advantage of hyperthreading on a P4 processor either and that is clearly not true. The Mac drivers for XP bundled with Boot Camp 1.1 do provide for power management for both Home and Pro. >>> Do you complain at the RIAA and MPAA requiring you to buy additional >>> copies of CDs and DVDs for use in your car? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Cheers! > Since Microsoft has KILLED Virtual PC for Intel, and therefore > guaranteed that the product I purchased (and the included license of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > out from under me and aren't going to support the product on the Intel > platform. stop moaning and download the latest parallels Beta out today freebie for 14 days Hugh W > stop moaning and download the latest parallels Beta > > out today freebie for 14 days Stop making pithy posts when you can't be bothered to read what you are replying to. I'm talking about the WINXP license, it has nothing to do with the mechanism to run it, I already have a copy of Parallels. |
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