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Mac Forum / Applications / Virtual PC / April 2007Switching to Intel Mac
I was using "Virtual PC w/ Windows XP Professional" on my iMac G4 and recently purchased an intel iMac. I'd like to use boot-camp to run windows, but can't figure out if I can somehow use the Windows XP Professional "included" with my virtual PC program. There doesn't appear to be a stand-alone installation disc for Windows in the 3 disc set. The 2nd CD is Windows Xp Professional.vhd.002.zip at 500+MB which expands to 1.3GB on the desktop. I don't imagine this will work as an installation disc. I don't want to start with boot camp until I have all the right pieces in hand. Is there a way to make an installation disc? Do I have to go back to my old mac to do this? Thanks! -Dan > I was using "Virtual PC w/ Windows XP Professional" on my iMac G4 and > recently purchased an intel iMac. I'd like to use boot-camp to run [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > all the right pieces in hand. Is there a way to make an installation > disc? Do I have to go back to my old mac to do this? The copy of Windows that comes with Virtual PC is for use ONLY with Virtual PC. You are not legally allowed to install it for use with Boot Camp ( or any other Windows emulator or on a real PC computer). This is same with the copy of Windows that comes bundled with most real PCs - it's only for use with the computer it was purchased with, and Virtual PC is basically a computer in it's own right (albeit a "pretend" one) soe the same law applies. If you want to install Windows for use with Boot Camp you'll have to go down to your local PC software store and buy a proper, legal, boxed copy of Windows XP which will have all the appropriate install discs. As you probably know Virtual PC doesn't work on Intel Macs. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) Thanks.... that sucks. Oh well, I was hoping to avoid supporting Microsoft. Avoid supporting Microsoft? LOL......then why are you installing Windows on a Mac???????? > I was using "Virtual PC w/ Windows XP Professional" on my iMac G4 and > recently purchased an intel iMac. I'd like to use boot-camp to run [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks! > -Dan it's possible, and actually easier than you think. Check out this link on how to use windows xp on virtual pc for boot camp. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060527175405403 >> I was using "Virtual PC w/ Windows XP Professional" on my iMac G4 and >> recently purchased an intel iMac. I'd like to use boot-camp to run [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060527175405403 It's possible, but it's still a violation of the license agreement. ----------- ---- --- -- - - - - Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ > >it's possible, and actually easier than you think. > > > >Check out this link on how to use windows xp on virtual pc for boot camp. > > > >http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060527175405403 > It's possible, but it's still a violation of the license agreement. Since MS doesn't support VPC on Intel Macs I feel it's morally OK. Other virtual facilities have replaced VPC and using your VPC-Windows with them makes sense. MS had their chance! > > >it's possible, and actually easier than you think. > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with them makes sense. > MS had their chance! Yep, the typical moron's "justification" for not doing what is really the moral thing. Greed and stupidity make the world go around. :o\ Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > > >it's possible, and actually easier than you think. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > with them makes sense. > MS had their chance! "Morally OK". WOW! Let's start a new line of thought: I thinks it's morally OK for me to rob a bank.........cause I'm poor and I should not be deprived of money like the rich. > > In article <pst8135eksvo6767ji37jeim6df30hm...@4ax.com>, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I thinks it's morally OK for me to rob a bank.........cause I'm poor > and I should not be deprived of money like the rich. I was going to post a similar example. Anyone can think up silly excuses to "justify" their selfish greed, but that doesn't remotely make it moral, legal or give you any right to do it. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > Anyone can think up silly excuses to "justify" their selfish greed, but > that doesn't remotely make it moral, legal or give you any right to do > it. The greed is M$. The moron is one who defends M$, unless being paid by M$ to be greedy. There is no difference between OEM Windows on a Windows machine and OEM Windows distributed with VPC for Mac. Neither may be moved to another machine. That is one reason OEM Windows is cheaper than Retail Windows. Helpful Harry is correct. >> Anyone can think up silly excuses to "justify" their selfish greed, but >> that doesn't remotely make it moral, legal or give you any right to do >> it. > > The greed is M$. > The moron is one who defends M$, unless being paid by M$ to be greedy. > > Anyone can think up silly excuses to "justify" their selfish greed, but > > that doesn't remotely make it moral, legal or give you any right to do > > it. > > The greed is M$. > The moron is one who defends M$, unless being paid by M$ to be greedy. Nope. It's your own selfish greed and stupidity, as well as ignorance. When you installed Virtual PC and the version of Windows that came with it, you agreed to abide by the rules, and those rules say you can't use that version of Windows with any other product or system. You don't own that copy of Windows, you own a license to use it under the limits of the given rules. No doubt your the same sort of selfish moron that believes rules like road speed signs don't apply to you either. :o\ Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > > > Anyone can think up silly excuses to "justify" their selfish greed, but > > > that doesn't remotely make it moral, legal or give you any right to do [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Helpful Harry > Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) Wrong again Harry. I didn't do that install of the VPC Win on Parallels, I have no need to. I use VPC on a G4 Mac and have a oldie Dell with two legal Win licenses. Intel PCs give me a virus scare! You seem very violent on M$s behalf. I'm glad you live far far away from me, we don't like your kind up here. I'm the honest truly helping type who hates bulling, particularly of the corporate kind. BTW I live a few hours from M$ land. > > > > Anyone can think up silly excuses to "justify" their selfish greed, but > > > > that doesn't remotely make it moral, legal or give you any right to do [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > corporate kind. > BTW I live a few hours from M$ land. I "hate" Microsoft as much as the next Mac user (I avoid using Windows computers as much as possible, which means 97% of the time), but rules are rules and you have to obey them. You can't just go around ignoring the ones you don't agree with. Plus, scum who want to steal software are simply not wanted here. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > I "hate" Microsoft as much as the next Mac user (I avoid using Windows > computers as much as possible, which means 97% of the time), but rules > are rules and you have to obey them. You can't just go around ignoring > the ones you don't agree with. Plus, scum who want to steal software > are simply not wanted here. Well I'm glad you aren't a M$ troll or spy. IMO the fact that MS has not forced Parallels to drop their VPC Windows transporter indicates that MS understands the user problem here and is willing to look the other way. Those people have purchased VPC Windows and are faced with a lack of MS support on Intel Macs. Parallels has provided that support. It's not a black and white world; there are many shades of grey. Also I'll say again I myself haven't moved my VPC Windows anywhere, except to a newer PPC Mac. > > I "hate" Microsoft as much as the next Mac user (I avoid using Windows > > computers as much as possible, which means 97% of the time), but rules [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > transporter indicates that MS understands the user problem here and is > willing to look the other way. The Parallels "Transporter" is there to allow Virtual PC users to easily transfer their own data and for those legally allowed to transfer the operating system (ie. bought Windows separately) ... it has not been created to allow greedy scum to illegally transfer the operating system. Besides, you'd be much better off installing a totally fresh copy of the operating system and software rather than using a potentially failing one. > Those people have purchased VPC Windows and are faced with a lack of MS > support on Intel Macs. Parallels has provided that support. > It's not a black and white world; there are many shades of grey. It may look "grey", but there is a clearly defined rule (well, as clearly as legalese ever is) for those that bother to read it that means it's actually very black and white, and everyone who installs it has actually agreed to this rule. > Also I'll say again I myself haven't moved my VPC Windows anywhere, > except to a newer PPC Mac. I've never transferred it either. I'm still using Connectix VirtualPC 3 (I told you I avoid Microsoft as much as possible ;o) ) with Windows 95 on my beige PowerMac G3 under Mac OS 9.2. In fact Windows has started playing up, so I might have to try wiping the virtual hard disk and re-installing Windows anyway, although I really only use it to test an occasional file and a clipart CD-ROM. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > IMO the fact that MS has not forced Parallels to drop their VPC Windows > transporter indicates that MS understands the user problem here and is > willing to look the other way. > Those people have purchased VPC Windows and are faced with a lack of MS > support on Intel Macs. Parallels has provided that support. > It's not a black and white world; there are many shades of grey. Parallels Transporter has very legal ways to be used which is why Microsoft can't "look the other way". I legally migrated a retail copy of Windows XP on a Dell 450 XPS into a Parallels machine. I could NOT do the same for the copy of Windows that came with my copy of VPC 6. (That's why I chose to migrate the Dell). Ben Rudolph at Parallels has been abundantly clear about wanting their users NOT to violate Microsoft licensing with Transporter if at all possible, but they are not blocking OEM transfers to my knowledge. Perhaps Microsoft could offer them guidance in this area. > > IMO the fact that MS has not forced Parallels to drop their VPC Windows > > transporter indicates that MS understands the user problem here and is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > possible, but they are not blocking OEM transfers to my knowledge. > Perhaps Microsoft could offer them guidance in this area. "I legally migrated a retail copy of Windows XP on a Dell 450 XPS into a Parallels machine" Every Dell computer that I have ever seen or heard of shipped with Windows and that is an OEM version.....OEM licensing restricts the user from installing or migrating the OS to any other machine...even one from the same manufacturer. So, how can you possibly think that you 'legally' migrated your Dell? > > > IMO the fact that MS has not forced Parallels to drop their VPC Windows > > > transporter indicates that MS understands the user problem here and is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > one from the same manufacturer. So, how can you possibly think that > you 'legally' migrated your Dell? You could, but only if you had purchased a new version of Windows after buying the Dell (or at the same time) ... and it was a FULL version, not an upgrade. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > "I legally migrated a retail copy of Windows XP on a Dell 450 XPS into > a Parallels machine" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > one from the same manufacturer. So, how can you possibly think that > you 'legally' migrated your Dell? Paul, I didn't say it SHIPPED with the Dell. The OEM copy of Windows on this Dell is Windows 98. I PURCHASED a retail copy Windows XP and installed it on the Dell. I willfully did NOT purchase an XP OEM upgrade from Dell. Is this clear? > > "I legally migrated a retail copy of Windows XP on a Dell 450 XPS into > > a Parallels machine" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Is this clear? Nope, you have to prove it by posting your serial number, IP address, login passwords, etc. ;o) Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > > IMO the fact that MS has not forced Parallels to drop their VPC Windows > > transporter indicates that MS understands the user problem here and is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > possible, but they are not blocking OEM transfers to my knowledge. > Perhaps Microsoft could offer them guidance in this area. It's no different to ever manufacturer of VCRs or DVD / CD burners. The devices are made for people to use legally, but they can't stop you pirating movies, etc. And even when they do find a way, some selfish scum works out a way around it so they then have to find another way ... leading to the idiocy like Adobe's Authentication system. Companies build cars so that people can move around. They can't help it if some fool decides to purposely run over other people in one. (Although you do have to wonder why they make cars that can go faster than the legal speed limits!) There's thousands and thousands of other examples. Only your own conscience and common sense (although few people apparently have either), and often the police can stop you doing stupid and illegal things with something designed for legal purposes. As usual, the selfish, stupid and greedy few spoil it for everyone else. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > it's possible, and actually easier than you think. And possibly a violation of the terms of the Virtual PC license. |
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