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Mac Forum / Applications / Virtual PC / June 20046.1.1 on OSX 10.3.3 is a JOKE!
The speed is a joke...no sorry, a joke is funny. This is actually very serious. All I really wanted VPC to do is to let me load a PC browser and check sites that I am building in windows. I have problems doing the most simple things like loading pages from a shared drive - takes minutes to open a page and display it - and it is coming off the local drive. Then if I try and check a site from the web it takes AGES to load. I have super quick dsl and all pages chug in like they are coming from a 9600 baud modem. I don't know what else to tweak, but even just trying to web surf is too slow to be usable. I can't see any other options to use the TCP/IP, NAT Virtual Switch settings that will even recognize my dsl connection but the connection I have is too slow to sit around wasting half an hour waiting for pages to load off a web site that fly in on my mac. I am not trying to play 3D games, I am just trying to use a web browser!!! I saw some suggestions about editing VPCSRVC.EXE and stuff but I run a mac so I don't HAVE to bother with that junk. I've maxed out the ram and processor options, but this is still useless. Someone please tell me that this product works OK for them out of the box to just browse the web at a reasonable speed? I heard people say this product has gone to the dogs since M$ took it over, but this has to be something fixable on my system. I refuse to believe this is how bad such an expensive product is.... Can anyone give me some simple, easy-to-follow tips to: 1 - Get at least half the same speed for web surfing that I get on my mac 2 - Get the thing to open & close windows & applications at a decent speed This product just makes me believe all the conspiracy theories about M$ are true. On 6/8/04 18:13, in article nodamnspam-19CB73.09433409062004@msnews.microsoft.com, "Interloper" <nodamnspam@nospam.com> wrote: > Someone please tell me that this product works OK for them out of the > box to just browse the web at a reasonable speed? What I feel is a reasonable speed and what you think is reasonable may be a different story. But for what it's worth, I just timed a couple things. Hardware: iBook700 Combo, 640 RAM, (not exactly your fastest machine) OS X 10.3.4 VPC 5.04 with Windows 2000 Pro (no updates) with VPC set to give 464 MB RAM to it. From the time I lauch my Windows to the time I can do something: 3 minutes From the time I click on Internet Explorer until MSN finishes loading: 24 seconds. From there, I typed in www.apple.com and hit enter and it took 14 seconds to finish loading Apple's page. To me, this is reasonable. Of course I never browse with it, and I might change my mind if I did. I just use it for Delrina Formflow. It beats having to buy a PC just to run Formflow at home, so I could take work home. I have heard many comparable times with users of VPC 6.x I have never looked into tweaking the performance, but there are plenty of past posts on the server going into detail about different approaches to take. Good luck, -- Walt Basil www.basilweb.net You can email me at (firstname)AT(lastname)web.net Here is another data point: System: Powerbook G4 1GHz, 1MB cache, 768MB ram, OS 10.2.8 Virtual PC 6.1.1, Windows 2000 Professional, latest service pack installed (SP4?), 192MB ram given to VPC, 600 x 800 resolution emulated screen size Time to launch Windows 2000, including typing password, until desktop fully appears is 1 min 37 secs. Time to launch Internet Explorer, until Google home page appears is 16 secs. Time to render Apple store page: 11 seconds (for some reason, it took 21 seconds to load Apple home page - seemed like there was congestion, as it hung for a while waiting for the big image). For my occasional use, VPC has been very satisfactory. Kurt L. G3 Powerbook 900mz with 1GB RAM (256 to VPC) on 10.3.4: Using DSL for Win2000: surfs web at about 7 seconds average PER PAGE with VPC6.0.1, no Service Packs. That's almost exactly speed of a 56k modem's speed using DSL. Not shabby to me. Anything dramatically slower, something's wrong with the install (also, close all other OSX apps when running VPC). VPC 6.x.x is no worse from the MS development, the same programmers that were working on it at Connectix are still working on it at MS, plus additional team members. Just maxing out the RAM isn't a solution, it can be a problem. You don't list your machine specs and RAM. You don't need to give VPC more than 256MB, especially if you only have 512MB of RAM. Windows 2000 outperforms Windows XP as a guest. >The speed is a joke...no sorry, a joke is funny. This is actually very >serious. All I really wanted VPC to do is to let me load a PC browser [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >This product just makes me believe all the conspiracy theories about M$ >are true. Steve Jain, Microsoft MVP for Virtual PC for Windows Website: http://www.essjae.com *** All posts are provided AS-IS, no warranty, no QoS *** > VPC 6.x.x is no worse from the MS development, the same programmers > that were working on it at Connectix are still working on it at MS, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Website: http://www.essjae.com > *** All posts are provided AS-IS, no warranty, no QoS *** I posted a message earlier from Safari, then booted my WindowsME under VPC 6.1.1 and using Internet Explorer is only slightly slower to load the pages, but once loaded the scroll performance is fast. Allan On the other hand, I've never used a real Windows PC in my life, but thanks to having VPC I would be totally comfortable sitting down and immediately using NT, 98SE, 2000 and XP, including even troubleshooting and digging into Services and sucessfully editing the Registry, which I think is incredible from one application. I get decent speed from VPC6, even with a G3 900 Powerbook running XP. Its all in the details. Just installed the beta Windows Media Player 10 and still can get small video playback, a little choppy and some artifacts, but good enough to check a file or CD for compatibility. But actually running smoothly, never with VPC6. Expecting anything more currently from a foreign OS running in emulation isn't reasonable. Its not like there's anything else that does. Thousands of basic Windows applications work well enough to use in VPC, just not graphics and current app versions designed for Pentium 3 and 4, not the Pentium 2 VPC emulates. Googling VPC would have made that very clear in a minute. eBay the software for recovering most of the money spent. Maybe wait a couple years for VPC7 or 8 running from a G5 or G6. Just not for Longhorn. I have to wonder what came over me to purchase Virtual PC. It's the worst piece of software I've ever used, and I regret having spent over $200 for it, including Windows XP--which is also a piece of c--p. (I'm forced to use it at the office.) Dave A. > I am not trying to play 3D games, I am just trying to use a web > browser!!! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > This product just makes me believe all the conspiracy theories about M$ > are true. On 6/9/04 9:13 AM, in article nodamnspam-19CB73.09433409062004@msnews.microsoft.com, "Interloper" <nodamnspam@nospam.com> wrote: > The speed is a joke...no sorry, a joke is funny. This is actually very > serious. All I really wanted VPC to do is to let me load a PC browser > and check sites that I am building in windows. You don't say what your system is. If it's a G3 with a processor speed slower than 800 MHz, then VPC 6 will run like molasses on a cold day. At least, this was my experience with an iMac SE G3 600 MHz (1 GB RAM). VPC 5 and 6 were useless, they were so slow. All reports I've read for any G3 with 800 MHz or better have VPC runs well. Gene van Troyer Suggest you adjust any Mac virus software to exclude any VPC files. Virus software will re-scan any files that is Opened, Saved, or Changed. > Suggest you adjust any Mac virus software to exclude any VPC files. Virus > software will re-scan any files that is Opened, Saved, or Changed. > > -- I get very good performance using VPC 6.1.1 on a 12" PB 1.33mhz, 760meg ram, OS 10.3.4. I just reinstalled WindowsME after corrupting my first image by shutting down Defrag improperly. I run all the MSOffice 2000 suite, Adobe Acrobat 4.05 for scanning and creating PDFs, Corel WordPerfect 7, UltraVNC, MSVisual C++ 6.0 for programming and compiling, and lots more. My Powerbook with VPC is a full work machine. I use the Mac for videos, internet, etc., but I boot WindowsME under VPC and log into my Novel 3.12 server, run proprietary software, and work away. It is definitely a little slower, but I drafted a 20+ page document in MS Word 2000 while at Borders on one battery charge! VPC was well worth the money. I had 512 megs ram and 16 megs video set aside for VPC, but I switched back to 256ram and 8 vram and there is no effect. The only significant slows I find are in disk intense read/writes, especially when I compile a large project in C++. The antivirus has little effect, and same with ram until you push the ram limit. If the VPC Help is correct, VPC borrows ram from Mac on the fly, so all this talk about pumping up the ram matters ONLY if you push the limit. Having 256 or 512 megs of ram only matters if and when you push Windows beyond the 256, which is hard to do on normal office apps. If you're on the Internet, email, or wordprocessing, most of the ram is sleeping anyway. I suggest that you cut back the video to 16 million colors, run at 600 x 800 or 1024 x 768 with large fonts, DO NOT match the Mac and VPC video resolutions, defrag often, and VPC should purr. I also played a little with the CMOS, but I am not sure how much of the settings have a real effect since Mac OSX is the real CMOS. Allan |
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