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Mac Forum / Applications / Virtual PC / April 2005VPC 6.1.1 and PC games : the nightmare
Hello, I have bought a Mac Mini 1.42 GHz with 512 M of ram (10.3.9) and I have installed VPC 6.1.1 with Win 98. I have installed Direct X 9 too. I have A DVD with a few Games démo for Windows 98 like Syberia II, Prince of Persia etc... and no game runs, not even 1 :-( I have a message saying that my card is not compatible. What can I do ? Syberia for example needs 16 Mo of Vram and my card makes 32. Where's the problem ? I have even problem with little game like Snood which is very slow and I don't think it's normal... Should I have best results if I install XP or with VPC 7 ? Many thanks for your help  Signature*** Des Souris et des Pommes *** *** Think Different *** > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Many thanks for your help VPC isn't designed to emulate the type of graphics cards required to run them. Go back to running Office, Quickbooks, and Solitare. If this is why you bought a Mac Mini, you wasted your money. Return it (good luck!) and buy a PC. SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... > If this is why you bought a Mac Mini, you wasted your money. Return it > (good luck!) and buy a PC. your answer is stupid !! I don't need your comments about my purchase I bought Mac mini because it's not expensive not for the PC games. My question was only : why, if I have a video card of 32 M, VPC doesn't give me at less 16 M of VRam for PC softs. Signature*** Des Souris et des Pommes *** *** Think Different *** >>If this is why you bought a Mac Mini, you wasted your money. Return it >>(good luck!) and buy a PC. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My question was only : why, if I have a video card of 32 M, VPC doesn't > give me at less 16 M of VRam for PC softs. VPC emulates a Trio S3, I think that is the card, and it will not run any games requiring 3D video cards. If you want to play those games you really will need a PC. > VPC emulates a Trio S3, I think that is the card, and it will not run > any games requiring 3D video cards. If you want to play those games you > really will need a PC. and VPC will be never able to emulate another card than a Trio S3 (8 Mo Vram I suppose) ? Snood is not a 3D game, it's a simple arcade game. (Requirements/Recommendations Basic VESA-SVGA capability (640x480, 256 colors) Mouse with DOS-compatible mouse driver) Signature*** Des Souris et des Pommes *** *** Think Different *** It ought to work with Snood, but then again, just get the OSX version. -Mark > > VPC emulates a Trio S3, I think that is the card, and it will not run > > any games requiring 3D video cards. If you want to play those games you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (Requirements/Recommendations Basic VESA-SVGA capability (640x480, 256 > colors) Mouse with DOS-compatible mouse driver) > My question was only : why, if I have a video card of 32 M, VPC doesn't > give me at less 16 M of VRam for PC softs. Because an emulator simply cannot use your graphics real graphics card directly, it just isn't possible. And the amount of VRAM isn't the problem either (VPC7 can go up to 16MB, and it still wouldn't matter). The problem is that VPC only emulates the chipset of a S3 Trio and that lacks certain hardware features that most of the not totally outdated games expect (eg. 3D acceleration). I think any game that needs DirectX newer than version 7 most likely won't run at all. Emulating a more modern card wouldn't fix the problem either, because emulation of such a complex card would be horribly slow. One possiblity would be to do it on driver level or even get some communication between Direct3D/DirectDraw and the emulator, but that certainly isn't easy and a lot of work. Since there were rumours that Microsoft had something like that in the works for version 7 of VPC, but probably pulled the plug due to lack of stability, there might be a possibility that such a feature is introduced with VPC8, but I wouldn't hold my breath. SignatureM.I.K.e > > My question was only : why, if I have a video card of 32 M, VPC doesn't > > give me at less 16 M of VRam for PC softs. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > stability, there might be a possibility that such a feature is > introduced with VPC8, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Thank you very much indeed for these explanations. Yet I'm happy to know that VP7 can go up to 16 MB of Vram. Signature*** Des Souris et des Pommes *** *** Think Different *** Going to 16 MB of VRAM is not a very good idea at all. That will create a LOT of extra overhead for the emulator and will definitely slow VPC down. Leave it at 4MB unless you have distortion in the video resolution Because VPC only emulates a 16mb video card... and additionally, does not emulate a card with 3d support. Virtual PC is not a games solution for the Macintosh. Between lack of 3d support, and performance issues, it's just not ever going to cut it. Also, your Mac Mini has WAY too little ram. The VM will use 256, so 512mb is insufficient. If you upped the VM's ram to 512, all you did is guarantee that the Mac OS will have to perform VM swap constantly in the background... which will degrade performance significantly. A couple of performance suggestions for VPC. Turn off all of the bells and whistles in XP... (Right click my computer - properties - Advanced - Performance); do not give too much ram to VPC - I recommend no more than 224 for XP; set VRAM back to 4mb. More VRAM means less code cache and slower performance. |
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