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Mac Forum / Programming / Mac Programming / November 2005New Year, New Language?
H all. Time to branch out and learn something new. Supposedly youre supposed to learn a new lang every year, but since I only dabble now, I think it's more like 5 years for me. I'm on a limited O'Reilly-budget too. Anyway, I'd interested in doing 'mainstream' web programming, with MySQL, CGIs, and so on. Up til now, I've only done rudimentary stuff (select & display results) and nothng really contemporary. I've been using Perl, and using it for a lot of text-munching. I like all the cpan modules and so on. From what I've observed, and read, PHP seems to be the standard-bearer right now for this kind of stuff, so that's a possibility. But Python & Ruby - especially Rails - both look nice. Note that startup time is an issue for me. ( my startup time, that is). Opinions? There was this (http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/22/1551212&mode=thread&threshold=-1) discussion over on Macslash about this. Boy did it get heated fast. Anyway they brought up a lot of points on just this subject. It looks like Ruby-on-Rails is a good way to go but takes a bit (some argument there) of startup effort. Also if you want an interesting language look at Lua (www.lua.org) really simple and easy to embed. If you ever write a program where you want to embed a scripting language, don't do it yourself use Lua. Anyway that's my two cents. Happy Thanksgiving.... --jim > There was this > (http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/22/1551212&mode=thread&threshold=-1) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > --jim Ruby looks good so far. I tried installing Ruby-on-Rails last nite (well, the middle of the nite) and all is good except for Apache. From my additional research it seems to be the up-and-comer. Now Lua is new to me. That looks interesting. Thanks > > There was this > > (http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/22/1551212&mode=thread&threshold=-1) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Now Lua is new to me. That looks interesting. Thanks If you like Lua (I've used it a bit and embedded it into a reasonably complex C++ application), you may also like IO: http://www.iolanguage.com/ > http://www.iolanguage.com/ (Io also has a bridge over to Objective-C with decent Cocoa support.) - ∞ >> There was this >> (http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/22/1551212&mode=thread&threshold=-1) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ruby looks good so far. Is not used as often as Python. If you want an often used language, Python would be better choice. Ciao, Oliver > >> There was this > >> (http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/22/1551212&mode=thread&threshold=-1) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If you want an often used language, Python would be > better choice. Nothing personal Oliver, but what a world of mediocrity we would suffer if we chose everything based on what was "most widely used" :-) May I propose at least occasional lip service to fitness for purpose? In the case in question, at least Ruby and Python are sufficiently different that an empirical or aesthetic choice can be reasonably made. For instance, some people cannot tolerate significant whitespace. Best to try both (many) and then decide? (Another novel idea in a world that frequently tries but one thing and then goes on to declaim its superiority...) > Ciao, > Oliver > H all. Time to branch out and learn something new. Supposedly youre > supposed to learn a new lang every year, but since I only dabble now, I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Opinions? PHP is ugly. Mostly PHP-code looks like HTML plus a littlebid PHP-code. Maybe you are doing better? When only those languages you mentioned above should be used, then Python seems to be best choics. It's a clear language, good modularized, so learning should be easy and code should be easy to maintain. Ciao, Oliver >> H all. Time to branch out and learn something new. Supposedly youre >> supposed to learn a new lang every year, but since I only dabble now, I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Mostly PHP-code looks like HTML plus a littlebid PHP-code. > Maybe you are doing better? No, it looks ugly and is somewhat foreign to me. I appreciate the ease of development of this stuff, coming from a C++-heavy (fat, heavy) legacy, but PHP seems especially messy, at least my novice efforts. Perl was always a little awkward to me but not so much as PHP. Now as I learn more Perl it seems to becoming increasingly weird. > When only those languages you mentioned above should be > used, then Python seems to be best choics. > It's a clear language, good modularized, so learning > should be easy and code should be easy to maintain. I think I might just do both! |
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