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Mac Forum / Applications / PowerPoint / August 2006Newbie assistance
Hi; I am working in PowerPoint (version x) for the first time. I am struggling with making use of the portion of the interface on the left. it shows just the text of slides. My first question - could someone please tell me what this part of the interface is called? I'd be able to look around in Help if I knew what this area was called. (Area 51? ;) One of the things that I am trying to do here is move a slide. I can click on the little slide icon here and drag it part way through the other slides, but only part of the way down. Any suggestions? (I know about using the Slide Sorter view, but it would easy to stay 'here'.) Thank you, Jack > My first question - could someone please tell me what this part of the > interface is called? I'd be able to look around in Help if I knew what > this area was called. (Area 51? ;) Area 51's good but I think MS might think of it as the Outline pane. > One of the things that I am trying to do here is move a slide. I can > click on the little slide icon here and drag it part way through the > other slides, but only part of the way down. Any suggestions? (I know > about using the Slide Sorter view, but it would easy to stay 'here'.) If you drag a bit below or above the last visible slide, almost as though you're trying to drag the slide off the top or bottom of Area 5...er, the outline pane, it should scroll so you can drag farther. ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ Thank you Steve! Finding out the proper name for this part of PPT has been very helpful. But I think I might have to stick with Area 51. I can drag (I see the moving hairline) through *parts* of the presentation but not all of it. In my case I can drag slide 5 anywhere from slide 1 through slide 12. Then the hairline disappears until I reach slide 26! I can then drag the hairline anywhere from slide 26 to the end of the presentation. Okay, maybe the whole area is called the Outline pane and just my slides 13 - 25 are Area 51! ;) Also, can you make any suggestion about another shortcut key or clever way for collapsing/expanding parts of the outline? I use a Powerbook and turning on Num Lock isn't practicable. Thank you again for the name! That allowed me to do some good exploring on my own. Jack > > My first question - could someone please tell me what this part of the > > interface is called? I'd be able to look around in Help if I knew what [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ Unfortunately the shortcuts you seek involve the numeric kypd & custom keystrokes is a luxury PPt apparently can't afford. Have you tried the contextual menu? Ctrl+click in the Outline Pane will pop one up with Expand & Collapse right in the middle. HTH |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/9/06 3:41 PM, in article 1155152504.034179.122290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Jack" <jreid@stirlingonline.com> wrote: > Thank you Steve! Finding out the proper name for this part of PPT has > been very helpful. But I think I might have to stick with Area 51. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> PPTools: www.pptools.com >> ================================================ Bob; Thanks! The control click works great. Any ideas about my original problem? (This will teach me to go off on a tangent in a post.) I still would like to figure out why I can't click and drag slides to some portions of the Outline Pane (Outline Pain in this case...) Jack > Unfortunately the shortcuts you seek involve the numeric kypd & custom > keystrokes is a luxury PPt apparently can't afford. Have you tried the [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> PPTools: www.pptools.com > >> ================================================ I don't know what to tell you on that one, Jack. I've created several test files of ~60 each on both Mac & PC. In each I've been able to drag any slide to any location in the order. Since I can't reproduce the problem & haven't dealt with it before I'm at a bit of a loss. Have you tried just dropping the slide in the appropriate spot even though the insertion line isn't visible? It could be as simple as a video issue - although it seems unlikely if the dissappearance conistantly occurs within the exact same range of slides. Will let you know if I come up with anything more.  SignatureRegards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac > Bob; > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> >> PPTools: www.pptools.com >> >> ================================================ Thanks Bob! That context menu is great! > Unfortunately the shortcuts you seek involve the numeric kypd & custom > keystrokes is a luxury PPt apparently can't afford. Have you tried the [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> PPTools: www.pptools.com > >> ================================================ > I can drag (I see the moving hairline) through *parts* of the > presentation but not all of it. In my case I can drag slide 5 anywhere > from slide 1 through slide 12. Then the hairline disappears until I > reach slide 26! I can then drag the hairline anywhere from slide 26 to > the end of the presentation. I'd tend to go with Cybertaz' suggestion. Drop it, hairline or no, and see if it works. Otherwise, Area 51 or perhaps Twilight Zone? > Also, can you make any suggestion about another shortcut key or clever > way for collapsing/expanding parts of the outline? I use a Powerbook > and turning on Num Lock isn't practicable. On the PC (I'm not where I can get at the Mac right now), View, Toolbars, turn on the Outlining toolbar. That has buttons for this. > Thank you again for the name! That allowed me to do some good exploring > on my own. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > PPTools: www.pptools.com > > ================================================ ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ Dropping regardless of the hairline doesn't do anything. More info (based on this behavior, I'm now leaning towards calling this part of the GUI "the outer limits"!) in some cases I can only drag the hairline part of the way into (I am not making this up and have only had iced tea to drink tonight, so far...) of a subsequent/preceeding slide. And I have seen that there are portions of the presentation that are off limits and other parts (not contiguous) where the hairline appears and the move will work again. Would me emailing a copy of this presentation for any of you to take a look at be reasonable? I don't know if that kind of thing is done through these newsgroups so please forgive me if this "just isn't done". > > I can drag (I see the moving hairline) through *parts* of the > > presentation but not all of it. In my case I can drag slide 5 anywhere [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ Hi jack - I don't know exactly what I'd be looking for other than to see if the problem persists on my rig - could also try it on a PC. If you want to send me a copy you can decipher my email by removing the word 'type', converting the 'AT' and the 'dot' - *also* be sure to put this *only* in the subject line: x3q2pptjack In order to get through my spam filter. Otherwise it will go directly to my private 'Area 51' :-) Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/15/06 12:30 AM, in article 1155616221.907880.193620@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Jack" <jreid@stirlingonline.com> wrote: > Dropping regardless of the hairline doesn't do anything. > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> PPTools: www.pptools.com >> ================================================ Taz/Bob; That'd be great. How can I see your email address? I tried clicking on your profile but that address doesn't have the word 'type' nor "AT" nor "dot" so I don't think that I'm looking at the one you meant. Jack > Hi jack - > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > >> PPTools: www.pptools.com > >> ================================================ Sorry - I wasn't thinking... I use a separate account from work & home, so it depends on which message you're looking at. This one reads as: onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net Remove the 'only' and the first dot, use the same Subject: x3q2pptjack Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/15/06 3:41 PM, in article 1155670880.169748.71990@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com, "Jack" <jreid@stirlingonline.com> wrote: > Taz/Bob; > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >>>> PPTools: www.pptools.com >>>> ================================================ OK Jack - **Preliminary Report: After an hour of fiddling with the file, I haven't a clue :-) **Detailed Analysis: My 'No Drop' zone is *different* than what yours is - In fact, I have 2. One spans from slide 9 to slide 22, the other from slide 55 to slide 78. Same result in Outline Pane or Outline View, which is understandable. This is in PPt 2004 (11.2.4, fully updated) on a G5 Dual 2GHz, OS X 10.4.7. I played with it a few minutes on a PC in 2003 at work & didn't notice the problem. However I wasn't sure what I was looking for so didn't really give it a valid test. Will try again tomorrow. The only anomaly I can find is a blue arc that extends off the slides and is also present in the Slide Master. Selecting it in the Master produces a bounding box that is considerably bigger than a slide, It apparently defines the curve of the light blue graphic. However, even if I delete it the behavior persists. It evidently is the result of whatever you're using as a design template - which one I can't identify. Whether it has anything to do with the drag 'n' drop issue I don't know. I've also output to a Word doc, then imported to a new PPt with same result, so I doubt that the Design Template is the cause - it seems to be something about PPt, related, perhaps to the volume of content per slide? - Don't know. **Good News: I have discovered a work-around other than Slide Sorter View (which is also do-able). If you click in either Outline then Cmd+A to select all slides followed by Ctrl+Click (within the highlighted area) >Collapse. Once all slides are collapsed click to deselect and the problem mysteriously *disappears* - you can drag any slide & drop it anywhere. HTH |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/15/06 3:41 PM, in article 1155670880.169748.71990@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com, "Jack" <jreid@stirlingonline.com> wrote: > Taz/Bob; > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >>>> PPTools: www.pptools.com >>>> ================================================ Follow-Up: Tried it in PPt 2003/WinXP & confirmed that the issue is *not* present. I can take any slide to any location & the Insertiion Line remains visible wherever it should. That seems to rule out any hint of file corruption, errant content, etc. & puts the onus on the Mac. Still not clear definition since you are using X & I'm using 2004, so it could be a PPt X bug that has never been noticed/fixed carried over into 2004 *or* it could be an OS X issue - I'm tending toward ruling out a graphics flaw, especially since we're on completely different Mac models. Either way it's beyond my abilitiy to analyze further, but I will kick it up to the next level. In the mean time you should be OK with the workaround in my previous post. SignatureRegards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac > OK Jack - > [quoted text clipped - 161 lines] >>>>> PPTools: www.pptools.com >>>>> ================================================ I'm not surprised that the "no drop" zone moved. I have added more slides since my original post about that. Sorry, should have mentioned that. i hope that didn't hang you up for longl I have one more clue to add. A slide can be drug to the point of another slide that contains a table, but not 'into' that slide nor past it. Also, the format can be found in Project Gallery/Presentations/Content/Training. Thanks for all the help Bob, the workaround makes it bearable and I appreciate you passing this on for eventual resolution. > OK Jack - > [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > >>>> PPTools: www.pptools.com > >>>> ================================================ Sorry to have disappeared on this one, but it seemed that Bob had things well in hand, and besides, I was out of office, no Mac at hand, and only the world's slowest 28kbps net connection to work with. If you'd emailed me the file when you offered, I'd have just finished downloading it <g>. ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ Hi Steve - Jack did send me a copy of the file & I have confirmed the problem using PPt 2004 (he's running X). I also tried the file on WinXP PPt 2003 and *could not* replicate. Same file worked fine without having to collapse the outline. It truly appears to be a Mac PPt bug as I have been able to create a new PPt & experience the same problem. Will provide you with copies through the private ng if you wish. Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/25/06 10:47 AM, in article VA.00002a43.50d6d367@localhost.com, "Steve Rindsberg" <abuse@localhost.com> wrote: > Sorry to have disappeared on this one, but it seemed that Bob had things well > in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ > Jack did send me a copy of the file & I have confirmed the problem using PPt > 2004 (he's running X). I also tried the file on WinXP PPt 2003 and *could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Will provide you with copies through the private ng if you wish. It seems you've tested it more thoroughly than I'd have had the time or PPT versions for, so unless there'a a need to have it replicated on another Mac, let's go with your results. Thanks Steve - will try to get to it this afternoon. SignatureRegards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac >> Jack did send me a copy of the file & I have confirmed the problem using >> PPt [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Mac, > let's go with your results. Hi, I am using PowerPoint no long time like you. Please share my opus about powerpoint: http://www6.sameshow.com/images/sample/sample06/shell.swf I have convert my powerpoint to flash and bulish it to web. and another is encrypted:(password is wondershare) http://www.sameshow.com/images/sample/kitchen-design-gallery.swf Done these opus with PPT2Flash from: http://www.sameshow.com/powerpoint-to-flash-pro.php?id=6 Share together! abelz > Hi; > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thank you, Jack Hi, I am using PowerPoint no long time like you. Please share my opus about powerpoint: http://www6.sameshow.com/images/sample/sample06/shell.swf I have convert my powerpoint to flash and bulish it to web. and another is encrypted:(password is wondershare) http://www6.sameshow.com/images/sample/kitchen-design-gallery.swf Done these opus with PPT2Flash from: http://www.sameshow.com/powerpoint-to-flash-pro.php?id=6 Share together! abelz > Hi; > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thank you, Jack |
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