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Mac Forum / Applications / PowerPoint / June 2006Can't see comments created on PowerPoint for Windows
The subject says it all. If I create a comment on PowerPoint 2004 for Mac OS X and open the document in a Windows version of PowerPoint the comment is seen. If I create a comment in the Windows version of PowerPoint and open the document the comment can't bee seen even if "Comments" is checked in the "View" menu. What's going on here? You call that compatibility between platforms? :P ;) Sorry, that's a known issue in PowerPoint for Mac. Be sure to send this feedback to Microsoft. In PowerPoint, go to Help > Send Feedback on PowerPoint. Otherwise, click on this direct link to enter Mac Product Feedback: <http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=feedback> On 6/14/06 7:45 AM, in article C0B5D18F.4F56%martin.bergstrom@oriflame.se, > The subject says it all. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What's going on here? > You call that compatibility between platforms? :P ;)  SignatureMickey Stevens (Microsoft MVP for Office:mac) PowerPoint FAQ featuring PowerPoint:mac: <http://www.pptfaq.com/> Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/> > The subject says it all. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What's going on here? > You call that compatibility between platforms? :P ;) More a compatibility between versions issue, I'd guess. The same is true between PPT 2002/2003 (PC) and earlier PC versions. I'm guessing that this (run on the PC version) might fix things: Convert PowerPoint 2002/2003 comments into PowerPoint 2000 comments http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00462.htm ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ Hi, As Steve points out, the bug applies to other versions of PowerPoint on windows, too. Essentially, the Windows PowerPoint team did not accommodate backwards compatibility for their revised commenting and organization chart features. They went ahead broke compatibility with all other versions of PowerPoint as if it didn't matter to anyone. The Mac PowerPoint team did not adopt the Windows changes and hence is still good and compatible with existing versions. Now I wonder if the Windows PPT 2007 version kept the bad new design or went back to the good old one. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP > The subject says it all. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What's going on here? > You call that compatibility between platforms? :P ;) To satisfy my curiosity I tried to put an organization chart into a PowerPoint presentation in PPT 2007. The org chart add-in turns out not to be installed by default upgrade. So I installed it separately and told office to run it from my computer. Unfortunately, I have no idea where the installer put the add-in. It does not turn up in the add-ins manager. Hence, my conclusion is that it is not really possible to run organization chart in PPT 2007, at least not without going through hoops that remain unexplained. The help system says the add-in has not changed much since PowerPoint 95. That's not true, as it was revamped in 2003 and broken at that time. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> What's going on here? >> You call that compatibility between platforms? :P ;) > To satisfy my curiosity I tried to put an organization chart into a > PowerPoint presentation in PPT 2007. The org chart add-in turns out not > to be installed by default upgrade. But you don't really need it: Insert, SmartArt, Hierarchy ... gives you several org chart addins. I'm guessing that to insert an old (ie, pre 2002/2003) style Org Chart you might need to do Insert, Object and scroll around to find something likely looking. It wasn't an addin in the older versions; rather it was a mini-app like MS Graph, the thing that makes charts in PPT, so I kind of doubt it's an addin now. Love that help explanation. "After Organization Chart is installed, you can open it." HelicopterHelp. Tsk. >So I installed it separately and > told office to run it from my computer. Unfortunately, I have no idea [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> What's going on here? > >> You call that compatibility between platforms? :P ;) ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ OK, I made an org chart using the Hierarchy method (a wonderfully counterintuitive name). When I saved the presentation in 97 to 2003 format the org chart was not saved as an embedded org chart, just a picture. However, is that the same org chart program that gets installed when you run the installer and choose the org chart program to Run On This Computer? I did that and can't seem to find it anywhere. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP >> To satisfy my curiosity I tried to put an organization chart into a >> PowerPoint presentation in PPT 2007. The org chart add-in turns out not [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ > OK, I made an org chart using the Hierarchy method (a wonderfully > counterintuitive name). When I saved the presentation in 97 to 2003 > format the org chart was not saved as an embedded org chart, just a picture. Right. That's a known/expected behavior. They're trying to preserve visual integrity over functional when saving backwards to a format/version that doesn't support a particular feature. You can see it, you can print it but you can't edit it as you could in 2007. There may also be some magic that lets you bring it back alive, editable in 2007. > However, is that the same org chart program that gets installed when you > run the installer and choose the org chart program to Run On This > Computer? I did that and can't seem to find it anywhere. No ... the chart you created, by however unintuitive a path, is a native-to-Office feature in 2007. The optional org chart mini-app is available to give you compatibility/editability for org charts created in pre-2002 versions of PPT. And wonder of wonders, I *did* install that and I was right: Click the Insert tab. Click Object in the Text chunk (hold that "UNINTUITIVE!" for later when we can enjoy it together over a beer) and scroll down to "Organization Chart Add-in for Microsoft Office Programs". It's waaaaayyy at the bottom because everything else alphabetizes under "Microsoft Office yada whatever doodah". That gives you the old-style OrgChart addin. > -Jim Gordon > Mac MVP [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > PPTools: www.pptools.com > > ================================================ ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ >> OK, I made an org chart using the Hierarchy method (a wonderfully >> counterintuitive name). When I saved the presentation in 97 to 2003 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > That gives you the old-style OrgChart addin. Yes, that does! And the org chart that is created comes through as an actual organization chart when saved as PPT 97 thru 2003 (another mistake, it ought to be 2004) format. That is good because now we can start using organization charts in Office again. We bought other software because the 2003 format was incompatible with earlier versions. So it seems that the correct way to put org charts into 2007 is to follow the steps as you described them. Now if I could only figure out how to change the slide layout in 2007... -Jim Gordon Mac MVP > > And wonder of wonders, I *did* install that and I was right: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > actual organization chart when saved as PPT 97 thru 2003 (another > mistake, it ought to be 2004) format. Yep, because it uses the same mechanism internally ... inserting an OLE object supplied by a little server app. Same as MSGraph charts in earlier versions (and you can also opt to install MSGraph in 2007 so you can create/edit those if need be). > That is good because now we can start using organization charts in > Office again. We bought other software because the 2003 format was > incompatible with earlier versions. You might also want to have a look here: http://www.orgplusexpress.com/ > So it seems that the correct way to put org charts into 2007 is to > follow the steps as you described them. Would I lie to you? When there's no money in it for me???? ;-) > Now if I could only figure out how to change the slide layout in 2007... To select a different one or to alter one that exists? ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ I want to change one that already exists. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP >>> And wonder of wonders, I *did* install that and I was right: >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ > I want to change one that already exists. View, Slide Master Pick the layout you want to change and if it's just a matter of moving the goodies that are there already, click 'n' drag away. Or use Insert Placeholder on the Master Layout chunk to add new placeholders. Or copy existing ones (no more 1-placeholder-of-this-type limit, it seems. You want a couple extra body text placeholders? Add 'em.) Use Insert Layout on the Edit Master chunk to add a new layout. The UI isn't something I'm looking forward to having around the house but there are certainly some nice, long-awaited features underneath it. So are you running this on a dualbootie intel-o-Mac? ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ Hi again, I don't want to change the slide master, just the layout of a regular slide in a presentation. When I insert a new slide I'm offered the various choices for layout. How to I display that same menu of choices on a slide that's already there? This is indeed on one of those new Macs, but I'm using Parallels, not boot camp. That means I can't run Vista yet because I don't want to repartition my hard drive and because I want the Mac OS and Windows running simultaneously. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP >> I want to change one that already exists. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ > Hi again, > > I don't want to change the slide master, just the layout of a regular > slide in a presentation. When I insert a new slide I'm offered the > various choices for layout. How to I display that same menu of choices > on a slide that's already there? Ah. For that, you use the Home tab, Slides chunk, Layout. [You'll perhaps have noticed, not without reason, that I have yet to use the word "intuitive" in this thread.] > This is indeed on one of those new Macs, but I'm using Parallels, not > boot camp. That means I can't run Vista yet because I don't want to > repartition my hard drive and because I want the Mac OS and Windows > running simultaneously. Both at once .. slick! I didn't know that was even possible. > -Jim Gordon > Mac MVP [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > PPTools: www.pptools.com > > ================================================ ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ >> Hi again, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > [You'll perhaps have noticed, not without reason, that I have yet to use the word > "intuitive" in this thread.] Um. OK. But where did title plus 2 text boxes go? Title plus 1 text box? Those are the two I use the most. How come that's not a tear-off toolbar? Looks to me like Office 2007 Windows will be the best salesman for Office for the Mac so far. >> This is indeed on one of those new Macs, but I'm using Parallels, not >> boot camp. That means I can't run Vista yet because I don't want to >> repartition my hard drive and because I want the Mac OS and Windows >> running simultaneously. > > Both at once .. slick! I didn't know that was even possible. Not only that, but it runs really fast. Like faster than a 2.5 GHZ Pentium Dell. It uses a network drive to share files between the two operating systems. >> -Jim Gordon >> Mac MVP [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ > > Ah. For that, you use the Home tab, Slides chunk, Layout. > > [You'll perhaps have noticed, not without reason, that I have yet to use the word > > "intuitive" in this thread.] > > Um. OK. But where did title plus 2 text boxes go?Title plus 1 text box? "Content" now means PictureTextboxTableGraphExcelthingieMediaEtcEtcEtc You want Title and Content or Two Content. Or maybe the new Comparison. Or create your own. Title and UmpteenContent. > Those are the two I use the most. How come that's not a tear-off > toolbar? Because if you like to customize the interface, you'll hate this. Other than customizing buttons onto the Quick Access Toolbar (aka the QAT), the universal answer is "You can't do that". QAT or sQUAT. You might say. > Looks to me like Office 2007 Windows will be the best salesman > for Office for the Mac so far. If you can talk Apple into throwing in a free computer with every purchase, sure. Until they "improve" the Mac version too, anyhow. ;-) > >> This is indeed on one of those new Macs, but I'm using Parallels, not > >> boot camp. That means I can't run Vista yet because I don't want to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > PPTools: www.pptools.com > > ================================================ ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ >>> Ah. For that, you use the Home tab, Slides chunk, Layout. >>> [You'll perhaps have noticed, not without reason, that I have yet to use the word >>> "intuitive" in this thread.] >> Um. OK. But where did title plus 2 text boxes go?Title plus 1 text box? > > "Content" now means PictureTextboxTableGraphExcelthingieMediaEtcEtcEtc OK. So I look in the section that's labeled "Add slide" to find the hidden submenu that has a tool-tip that says "Layout - Change the Layout of the selected slide" that has a sub-sub menu labeled "Blank presentation" but it isn't and it that can't be torn off that has Sub sub sub menu that has two different Content + Layout things that put additional layouts that pop up different choices and place your changes on top of the existing layouts instead of replacing them, unless you click one of the layouts on the the sub-sub menu in which case they do change the layouts. Successive clicks to the sub-sub-sub menu causes the MSN Installation Wizard to appear out of no-where and take over the screen. This is beyond bad. It's simply insane. No wonder Bill quit as chief software architect. > You want Title and Content or Two Content. Or maybe the new Comparison. > Or create your own. Title and UmpteenContent. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If you can talk Apple into throwing in a free computer with every purchase, sure. > Until they "improve" the Mac version too, anyhow. ;-) Won't have to. Office 2007 users will be begging Apple to sell them computers at twice the price of Windows boxes. Where is the visual basic editor? How do I record macros? How do I customize this Ribbon thing? I am *so* glad I have a Mac now. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP > >>> Ah. For that, you use the Home tab, Slides chunk, Layout. > >>> [You'll perhaps have noticed, not without reason, that I have yet to use the word [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hidden submenu that has a tool-tip that says "Layout - Change the Layout > of the selected slide" Um. No. Home tab. Right under "Home" there's a "Slides" section (they call 'em chunks, at least until marketing comes up with something sleeker, I suppose). In that, there's a Layout dropdown. The layouts are all on it. > > If you can talk Apple into throwing in a free computer with every purchase, sure. > > Until they "improve" the Mac version too, anyhow. ;-) > > Won't have to. Office 2007 users will be begging Apple to sell them > computers at twice the price of Windows boxes. More likely, they'll keep using 2000 like so many of them already are. Or 2003 and holding. > Where is the visual basic editor? It's there. Send twenty bucks and I'll tell you how to .... oh, heck. Here: Click that round thing at upper left ... the icon whose tool tip says "File". Click PowerPoint options at the bottom of the dialog thing that opens up. Click Personalize Checkmark "Show Developer tab in the Ribbon" Click OK. Now you have a Developer tab on the ribbon bar and that's where VBA lives. Or if you're the impatient type, press Alt+F11 and be done with it. ;-) >How do I record macros? Start, All Programs, Microsoft, PowerPoint 2003. No macro recorder. Finally. Feature parity with Mac PPT. ;-) Well. Not quite. They haven't removed intellisense. >How do I customize this Ribbon thing? Customize? What is the meaning of this "customize"? What I said about the QAT ... I was serious. You'll be able to do some customization via code but no more customize menu, no more alt dragondrop. User-accessible customization is dead. > I am *so* glad I have a Mac now. Until they improve your version too, sure. It's not really a Mac/PC thing so much as Them (interface "wizards" at MS) vs. Us ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ >>>>> Ah. For that, you use the Home tab, Slides chunk, Layout. >>>>> [You'll perhaps have noticed, not without reason, that I have yet to use the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > In that, there's a Layout dropdown. The layouts are all on it. We're both talking about the exact same thing. Isn't this new interface easy to describe. I can't wait to have to explain it to people who want to use PowerPoint. >>> If you can talk Apple into throwing in a free computer with every purchase, > sure. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > No macro recorder. Finally. Feature parity with Mac PPT. ;-) > Well. Not quite. They haven't removed intellisense. Yikes! How come I didn't see the PPT and VB MVPs screaming bloody murder about it? >> How do I customize this Ribbon thing? > > Customize? What is the meaning of this "customize"? I only want to display the buttons that I choose. I don't like the ones that the PPT team picked out for me. > What I said about the QAT ... I was serious. > You'll be able to do some customization via code but no more customize menu, no > more alt dragondrop. User-accessible customization is dead. Time for one of us to make an add-in that customizes the ribbon thingy. >> I am *so* glad I have a Mac now. > > Until they improve your version too, sure. It's not really a Mac/PC thing so much > as Them (interface "wizards" at MS) vs. Us The MacBU will not be able to duplicate the ribbon. The Mac UI requires menus. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP > ================================================ > Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP > PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ > We're both talking about the exact same thing. Isn't this new interface > easy to describe. I can't wait to have to explain it to people who want > to use PowerPoint. For the most part, once you get used to the new terminology for the various bits (tabs, chunks -- for now; I expect it'll change by release) it's not that difficult. That begs the question of why we should have to. Whether you like Windows or Mac comptuers, the thing that makes them work for users is that there's a common set of interface conventions that the OS and virtually ALL apps follow. A contract, if you will, that in exchange for giving lots of resources to the OS and UI, the user in return gets to count on a few universals. There will ALWAYS be a FILE menu, and under it, the user will find stuff having to do with Files. This breaks the contract. [Macro recorder] > Yikes! How come I didn't see the PPT and VB MVPs screaming bloody murder > about it? I expect that some of that'd fall under NDA. On the other hand, the macro recorder's never been all THAT useful. It'll guide you to the right method or property sometimes, but you can rarely use its code as-is for much of anything. I still use it in Excel or Word because I don't know those object models, so I'll miss it there. OTOH, I'd have a machine with another version of Office on it, so mostly I'd miss the convenience of having it on the same machine. > >> How do I customize this Ribbon thing? > > > > Customize? What is the meaning of this "customize"? > > I only want to display the buttons that I choose. I don't like the ones > that the PPT team picked out for me. How's your XML? Seriously. Other than the QAT, you don't get to push the buttons around any more. > > What I said about the QAT ... I was serious. > > You'll be able to do some customization via code but no more customize menu, no > > more alt dragondrop. User-accessible customization is dead. > > Time for one of us to make an add-in that customizes the ribbon thingy. I think Patrick Schmid is already working on one. > The MacBU will not be able to duplicate the ribbon. The Mac UI requires > menus. Is that a "Best practices" sort of recommendation or does it literally not function w/o them? > > ================================================ > > Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP > > PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com > > PPTools: www.pptools.com > > ================================================ ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ On 6/26/06 8:02 AM, in article VA.00002820.5efa5682@localhost.com, "Steve Rindsberg" <abuse@localhost.com> wrote: >> The MacBU will not be able to duplicate the ribbon. The Mac UI requires >> menus. > > Is that a "Best practices" sort of recommendation or does it literally not > function w/o them? Literally. The Mac OS requires a main menu bar at the top of the _screen_ (not window), with an Apple, app (PPT), File, Edit, Help and other menus. The next Mac Office will need to abide by that. I'd guess that some of the current menu items might be replaced by palettes like the Formatting Palette that will correspond somewhat to chunks in Office 2007. But you'll be able to open them from a menu item (or - who knows? - even a button on a toolbar: no way of knowing that for a long time). It's bound to be at the very least somewhat more familiar and ration than 2007 at least to begin the "search" process for an item by browsing the menus in the main menu bar. SignaturePaul Berkowitz MVP MacOffice Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html> AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be ignored. PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using - **2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. > On 6/26/06 8:02 AM, in article VA.00002820.5efa5682@localhost.com, "Steve > Rindsberg" <abuse@localhost.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > somewhat more familiar and ration than 2007 at least to begin the "search" > process for an item by browsing the menus in the main menu bar. Interesting. Thanks! Hmmm. So the current Tabs (that look more or less like menu items anyhow) could become the menu items, and clicking them could trigger a single floating context sensitive palette that looks lke the second bit of the 2007 interface .. ughhh. I hope not! ================================================ Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ Other than knowing we will have menus, there's not much else that is known about Microsoft's plans for the next version of office for Macintosh. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP >> On 6/26/06 8:02 AM, in article VA.00002820.5efa5682@localhost.com, "Steve >> Rindsberg" <abuse@localhost.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > PPTools: www.pptools.com > ================================================ |
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