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What! - - - No Mac "Road Warriors" - - - Why?

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Mark Conrad - 18 Jul 2008 16:22 GMT
Just curious.  Lotsa people buy MacBooks, however
very few of them are real dyed-in-the-wool
Road Warriors.

...in the sense of actually using their MacBooks in
hotels etc., and actually sharing tips with fellow Mac
users as to how to make traveling with a Mac and using
a MacBook for its intended purpose both pleasurable and
efficient.

When I do a Google search for "Mac Road Warriors"
I get very few hits, most all of the hits from people
trying to sell foreign power plug adapters.

Think I know the reason.   People just are using their
MacBooks as lightweight desktop machines, sacrificing
speed for the convenience of shuffling a MacBook around
their desk, compared to being tied down with a 200 pound
noisy Mac Pro desktop machine, which doubles as a
1,000 watt heater in wintertime.

I am no better.  Looking at my desk now, I see 4 MacBooks,
plus 2 "near MacBooks".   (Mac Minis)

I very seldom even move my MacBook over to my
TV watching chair.   I  _use_  the MacBooks as desktop Macs
about  99.9% of the time.

Shameful, shameful...

Mark-
TaliesinSoft - 18 Jul 2008 16:32 GMT
> Shameful, shameful...

[concluding his assertion that there are very few Mac "Road Warriors", people
who take their portable Macs hither, thither, and yon.

I guess my experience is just the opposite.

When I go to the local coffee house in the morning I am almost always have my
MacBook Pro with me and I often count up to fifteen Macs in use--and a few
PCs.

When I go ro my favorite pub in the evening I am rarely without my MacBook
Pro and there are usually a few other Macs there.

When I go to the public library I always have my MacBook with me and there
are usually others with either Macs or PCs.

I could go on, but rare is the occasion when I'm driving somewhere that my
MacBook Pro isn't in the car with me.

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Mark Conrad - 18 Jul 2008 23:03 GMT
> > Shameful, shameful...
>
> [concluding his assertion that there are very few Mac "Road Warriors", people
> who take their portable Macs hither, thither, and yon.
>
> I guess my experience is just the opposite.

Well they certainly are a quiet bunch of people,
so far as their presence on the Internet is concerned.

Nice to know there are plenty of Mac Road Warriors out there,
even if they do not tell their War Stories to others.

You have any War Stories, such as dictating email from your
Mac by voice while you are riding your turbocharged
Hayabusa motorcycle at 242 mph :

<http://www.metacafe.com/watch/951795/suzuki_hayabusa_with_turbo_vmax_39
0kmh/>

Friend of mine was clocked by a police helicopter at 225 mph.

He proudly framed that ticket above the mantle of his fireplace.

I did not ask him how much the fine was on that violation.

Mark-
Sharon F - 18 Jul 2008 16:39 GMT
> Think I know the reason.   People just are using their
> MacBooks as lightweight desktop machines

I think you're guessing wrongly. My guess is there isn't much to find
with a google search since Mac laptops travel so well. My MBP has been
very easy to travel with - no problems acquiring internet access at
various locations or accessing printers as needed. I have added a Speck
case to protect it - when traveling or at home.  
 http://www.speckproducts.com/products/seethru/macbook-pro-15/25

Having owned a couple of tablet PCs in the past, I find this to be an
interesting mod:
http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook

Have never tried it, but do on occasion miss a few tablet features from
the others that I've owned.

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Mark Conrad - 18 Jul 2008 23:58 GMT
> > Think I know the reason.   People just are using their
> > MacBooks as lightweight desktop machines
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> case to protect it - when traveling or at home.  
>   http://www.speckproducts.com/products/seethru/macbook-pro-15/25

I will check out that site when I fire up my "modern" Intel Mac later.

Trying to wear out this 8-yr old Lombard G3 Powerbook,
no luck, it just keeps running.

I think I might be jealous of your Speck see-though case.<g>

I also have my 15" MacBook Pro protected by a hardcase,
a Matias Laptop Armor job, which they test by dropping
on concrete from 10 feet high, then checking the Mac for
any damage whatever.  (there is none, of course)

> Having owned a couple of tablet PCs in the past, I find this to be an
> interesting mod:
> http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook

> Have never tried it, but do on occasion miss a few tablet features from
> the others that I've owned.

Good grief, that site is  _really_  interesting, they even warranty
_their_  modification of a stock Intel MacBook.

Kinda makes me wonder how Apple's own warranty will be
affected by the modification, however.

Mark-
Gregory Weston - 18 Jul 2008 17:29 GMT
> Just curious.  Lotsa people buy MacBooks, however
> very few of them are real dyed-in-the-wool
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I get very few hits, most all of the hits from people
> trying to sell foreign power plug adapters.

Possibly using Macs on the road doesn't as much sharing of special tips.
I switch back and forth between my G5 desktop and my MacBook without any
real concern beyond the occasional need to swap or charge a battery.
It's somewhat surreal to me that someone might consider it an acceptable
norm for substantial differences to exist.

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Mark Conrad - 18 Jul 2008 23:03 GMT
> > ...actually sharing tips with fellow Mac users as to how to
> > make traveling with a Mac and using a MacBook for its
> > intended purpose both pleasurable and  efficient.
>
> Possibly using Macs on the road doesn't as much sharing
> of special tips.

Depends a lot on how a user intends to use that Mac while
he is away from his home.   For example, I keep entirely
different files and app's on my different Macs.

While at home, it is trivial for me to access another Mac.

On the road, it is a major pain, need special app's, special
network connections, etc.

...and I mean  _really_  special hardware/software.

Such as, if I get a hard freeze on my home Mac, then I
of course can not physically press the "power" button
on that home Mac very well, can I.

If force-quit does not work, then home Mac sits there,
frying its insides with hot temperatures.

No thank you.

I kludged up a special relay just for that possibility.

A remotely controlled relay.

Output wires from that relay short out the power button
for 5 seconds, doing the same thing a person would do if
that person wanted to physically press the power button
for 5 seconds.

Minor (invisible) modification, totally undetectable if
later I needed to send the Mac to Apple for warranty
covered repairs.

> I switch back and forth between my G5 desktop and my MacBook
> without any real concern beyond the occasional need to swap or
> charge a battery.
>
> It's somewhat surreal to me that someone might consider it an
> acceptable norm for substantial differences to exist.

Not surreal at all that someone might consider there to be
substantial differences between a desktop Mac Pro versus
a battery powered MacBook Pro.

I consider it to be an "acceptable norm" to acknowledge that
there are  _major_  differences existing between a desktop
Mac Pro compared to a battery powered MacBook Pro.

1) Weight/portability/bulk

2) Speed of operation
(multiple full sized drives vs single 2.5" drive)

3) Power availability

4) Sheer amount of internal ram  (16GB vs 4GB)

Mark-
Dave Balderstone - 18 Jul 2008 19:29 GMT
> Think I know the reason.   People just are using their
> MacBooks as lightweight desktop machines,

You don't get out much, do you?

This is typical of you. You take a single questionable data point and
go off on a half-baked flight of fancy, making assertions based on
absolutely nothing.

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Fred Moore - 18 Jul 2008 21:21 GMT
> Just curious.  Lotsa people buy MacBooks, however
> very few of them are real dyed-in-the-wool
> Road Warriors.
>
> ...in the sense of actually using their MacBooks in
> hotels etc...

/most arrogant, condescending, and elitist Knickerbocker accent/ON/

Honestly, Mark, if you just gave the issue a modicum of cogitation, it
would be abundantly clear that 'Road Warriors', as you call them, are
the _minions_ of industry. Apple laptop users are the _captains_ of
industry. If one needs to carry a computer whilst traveling, well
indubitably, that's what PAs are for, especially young, cute ones with
perky smiles and other assets.

/accent/OFF/

;)

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Mark Conrad - 18 Jul 2008 23:58 GMT
> Apple laptop users are the _captains_ of  industry. If one
> needs to carry a computer whilst traveling, well indubitably,
> that's what PAs are for, especially young, cute ones with
> perky smiles and other assets.

Hmm, interesting.    Better check my S/S pension to see
whether I have enough extra to pay their wages.

My  _blue_  financial records would list the PA's as
medicare required nurses.

My  _red_  financial records would list then as PA's.

Already have my business limo' covered under medicare
as medically necessary transportation.

Mark-
Michael Black - 19 Jul 2008 01:52 GMT
Just curious.  Lotsa people buy MacBooks, however
> very few of them are real dyed-in-the-wool
> Road Warriors.

Maybe they are just too smart to buy into the notion?

I remember the first time I saw the term "road warrior" and
I thought it was one of the silliest things I'd seen.

People doing rote work, inflating themselves by titling what
they do as a sport or something.  No different from "sanitation enginerr".

So if you have to schlep your trunk around selling shower curtain rings,
calling yourself a "road warrior" lets you sidestep the mundane nature
of your work, and the reason you need the laptop is to send orders to
the front office, not to do anything creative.

   Michael
Mark Conrad - 19 Jul 2008 04:31 GMT
> People doing rote work, inflating themselves by titling
> what they do as a sport or something.  
> No different from "sanitation enginerr".

Hey, watch it fella, I was one of them thar
sanitation engineers.  ;-)

Worked for a research outfit.

Asked them what my job was supposed to be, and they said
it was to "clean up" the bugs in the old Surveyor series of
robot spacecraft, so I assumed they meant I was some sort
of sanitation engineer.  Worked there for 34 years.

Those old robot spacecraft paved the way for the Appolo
guys, because at the time no one knew much about the
Moons surface.

Some thought the surface was covered with many feet of
soft powdered soil, and that the Appolo spacecraft would
"sink into" that soft powdery soil when it landed.

That idea was quickly dispelled when we almost lost one
of our robot Surveyor spacecraft, from it bouncing around
on the hard surface of the Moon when it landed.

Oh there  _was_  a fine layer of powdered soil, but it was
only a few inches thick, over a very hard igneous rock base.

> So if you have to schlep your trunk around selling shower curtain rings,
> calling yourself a "road warrior" lets you sidestep the mundane nature
> of your work, and the reason you need the laptop is to send orders to
> the front office, not to do anything creative.

Yeah I guess that is one way of looking at it.

In my case, I hole up at a hotel, usually a very upscale hotel,
get my initial computer "contacts" out of the way in that city,
then sit back and revert to a "regular Mac user" afterwards.
(whatever the h***  a  regular-Mac-user  is)

As for being creative, I don't have a creative bone in my body,
so you are correct there.

Always admired creative types of people, however.

The really creative people need us drones  y'know, because
they consider it an insult to dirty their hands
with mundane work  :)

Mark-
Stan Horwitz - 19 Jul 2008 02:30 GMT
> Just curious.  Lotsa people buy MacBooks, however
> very few of them are real dyed-in-the-wool
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> a MacBook for its intended purpose both pleasurable and
> efficient.

There are lots of Mac Road Warriors. I am one of them, but I don't see
that as a basis for much conversation. If you're in the Philadelphia
area, check out the Philadelphia PowerBook Users Group sometime. This
group meets on a quarterly basis. The founder is Jason O'Grady who is
the guy who was sued by Apple to reveal his news sources on information
he posted about forthcoming Mac products on http://www.powerpage.com
Mark Conrad - 19 Jul 2008 04:31 GMT
> There are lots of Mac Road Warriors. I am one of them,
> but I don't see that as a basis for much conversation.

I kind of thought that mobile Mac users had special
requirements because of the nature of their work
environment, namely being on the road constantly.

But guess you are correct, why should any Mac user
operate substantially differently, just
because he/she is "on the road".
Shawn Hirn - 19 Jul 2008 04:46 GMT
> > There are lots of Mac Road Warriors. I am one of them,
> > but I don't see that as a basis for much conversation.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> operate substantially differently, just
> because he/she is "on the road".

Right. I don't know about other people, but when I am on the road, if I
have broadband access, I can access everything on my Mac in my office
remotely, so its as if I am there in person as far as my computing needs
are concerned. Now, with MobileMe, sharing data between Macs is getting
even easier.
KLK - 23 Jul 2008 06:32 GMT
> Just curious.  Lotsa people buy MacBooks, however
> very few of them are real dyed-in-the-wool
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Mark-

WHAT? most laptops I know of travel!
I bought a couple of PowerBooks BECAUSE they were portable.
If I need more power than I carry - I use a cluster.

Maybe you don't hear discussions of 'Book travels is that
they work AS WELL on the road as they do at home. I use my
'Book in the office, meetings or any room of the house.
I used them for work in hospitals, universities, hotels,
airports and libraries all over the country, and England
and Africa. My son and his wife have their MacBook Pro
and an iBook with them in the UAE and Baghdad, both
apparently working fine.

Most problems center around networks. Not that the Mac's
have trouble connecting but you never know how the local
manager has things set up, what services or locations are
blocked... The best advice is to make sure that you have
alternate paths to send mail.

The worst problems are hardware problems in nowhere like
a broken hinge in Africa or a bad MacBook Pro display
in the UAE. In both cases the machines were still
serviceable but you have to be REAL careful not to make
things worse!

The most annoying thing I dealt with was undoing a road
fix. Our lab director was gone ALL the time, and took
her PowerBook EVERYWHERE. An IT guy at McMurdo Station
did something strange to fix a problem. After she got
back it took me 4 hours to convince that poor machine
that it didn't need to use the Antarctic satellite link
to to mount the stations "local" disks.

KLK
Mark Conrad - 23 Jul 2008 19:28 GMT
> WHAT? most laptops I know of travel!

Very interesting read.   :)

Just wish there were a NG or somewhere that tips etc
could be exchanged.

> If I need more power than I carry - I use a cluster.

If I need more power than I can carry, I cry a lot.

Been thinking of supplementing my MacBooks with
a long-life PDA for such occassions.

Now iPhones are too limited on battery life to serve
that purpose.  iPhones are great for another purpose
however, great for a Mac user who wants to be
super-organized as regards appointments, and synching
every Mac in sight so no matter which of your Macs that
you grab, all your files, photos, etc. would be there,
except movie clips, they take too much space.

> Maybe you don't hear discussions of 'Book travels is that
> they work AS WELL on the road as they do at home. I use my
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and an iBook with them in the UAE and Baghdad, both
> apparently working fine.

Wow, you and your family have to be the ultimate
road warriors!

What I really miss is the ability to have Internet
connectivity from a commercial aircraft from
mid-ocean.  Few years ago that was available from
several oriental airlines and one German airline
for an added $25 fee.   No US airlines had it however.

Boeing Aircraft controlled the entire system, chopped off
support for it a few years ago because not enough
people were using the service.   grrr

> The worst problems are hardware problems in nowhere like
> a broken hinge in Africa or a bad MacBook Pro display
> in the UAE. In both cases the machines were still
> serviceable but you have to be REAL careful not to make
> things worse!

Hmm, one would think those rich  a-a-rabs would have
supplied a loaner Mac to you  ;-)

Guess if the display went out altogether, you might have
been able to operate that Mac "headless" via Timbuktu.
(remote control software, version 8.7)

I use TB2 quite a bit, when I take an 8-year old "Lombard"
powerbook to crime ridden countries, where I can remotely
control all my expensive "home" Macs.

Hinge is semi-broken on this old Mac, but I can't kill it
much as I try, using it 24/7, even writting these posts
with it.  This old powerbook has a blazing fast 400MHz
CPU in it  ;-)

With the following utility, I can turn on any of my
home Macs easily, even if those home Macs are
battery operated models.
(not merely wake them from sleep but turn them on/off)

Use a UK utility named "DssW Power Manager"

http://www.dssw.co.uk/powermanager/

You have to be careful though, because they push it for its
energy saving features which I am not interested in.

Awkward GUI interface designed to turn Macs on in
schools, laboratories, etc. which I do not use at all.

Instead, I use the "+" symbol to "cut my own"
minute-by-minute, day-by-day schedule, which I can
remotely change at any time with regular TB2 sessions.

Lets me control my home MacBooks in this fashion:

10:00AM - - - power on (Monday, July 24, 2008)
10:03AM - - - sleep
10:04AM - - - wake up
10:05AM - - - sleep
10:06AM - - - wake up
10:07AM - - - log off
10:08AM - - - shut down completely
11:17AM - - - power on
etc., etc.

Adding to PowerManagers capabilities, I also have a
hardware/software device named "PowerKey 650",
the administrative version from Sophisticated Circuits.

<http://www.sophisticated.com/products/powerkey/pkp_650.html>

heh heh, I use that to do such things as:

1) Remotely holding down the "Power" button of a badly
    frozen Intel Mac Mini for 5 seconds by placing an
    ordinary touch-tone phone call to my house.

...don't ask, if I told you how, I would have to kill you.
(just kidding, ask if you want)

2) Turning on/off sprinklers, home security systems, etc.

Security of PowerKey itself is adequate.

I phone my house, then when PowerKey "answers the phone"
after a specified number of rings, say two for example,
it then "listens" for me to type in a coded string of digits
which tell it what to do.

STILL wish there was a NG or forum expressly devoted to
operating computers on-the-road, or even a community
service type of blog.

...and no, I am too lazy to start one myself.<g>

Mark-
 
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