> In article
> <derekcurrie-EB2F99.13100515092007@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>, Derek
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> ...but I will pick a nit about the NVRAM, it will not do diddly squat
> for resetting NVRAM on the new Intel Macs.
Time to read the Apple doc (which is dated May 01, 2007):
<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=2238>
(Sorry to repeat some of what I previously posted)
> Resetting your Mac's PRAM and NVRAM
>
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> Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The clock
> settings may be reset to a default date on some models.
Note please that these instructions include clearing the 'NVRAM'.
So shoot the messenger all you like. Facts are facts.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Mac>
>
> EFI has replaced Open Firmware on the new Macs.
My DUH. Sorry. On Intel Macs you can still do the same old
Command-Option-O-F to get to an Open Firmware CLI. But as you
will see in my dissertation below, the interface commands don't
actually reset anything, or so you have to assume from Apple's
documentation.
I might as well quote the Apple doc since we are pursuing the
subject. As the fact about EFI had slipped my mind, I completely
forgot that the next section in this article is NOT applicable to
Intel Macs, which is to say that there is only one way to clear
the NVRAM on Intel Macs, and that is the method quoted above. For
NOT EFI, New World / Open Firmware Macs:
> Resetting NVRAM in Open Firmware
>
> If your computer is Open Firmware-based and you are unable to reset NVRAM as
> described above, you may alternatively reset the NVRAM and Open Firmware
> settings using the steps in the Solution section of Message ³To continue
> booting, type 'mac-boot' and press return².
This paragraph links to an article about clearing Open Firmware:
<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=42642>
If you dig around in Apple's Help files you can find an article
called 'Setting up firmware password protection in Mac OS X 10.1
or later.' Near the end it goes through the steps for clearing
the NVRAM used by Open Firmware. The last paragraph then verifies:
> Note that Intel-based Macintosh computers do not use Open Firmware. These
> steps do not apply to Intel-based machines.
Nonetheless I can verify that the steps are entirely accessible.
They apparently, however, don't clear the NVRAM. So again, you
are left with ONLY the method Apple prescribe of using the PRAM
clearing key combination for BOTH PRAM and NVRAM.
And digging around further in Apple's Mac Help you can find
"Startup key combinations for Intel-based Macs". The third
keystroke down in the list is:
> Press Option-Command-P-R until you hear two beeps
The description of the purpose of this key command is listed as:
> Reset NVRAM
The old keystroke for clearing NVRAM via Command-Option-O-F is
not even listed, as you would expect since Open Firmware is gone
on Intel Macs.
I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
Apple's help can be confusing since Mac OS X 10.4.x is currently
provided for BOTH PowerPC AND Intel Macs. That means there are
non-applicable to Intel Mac pages still present. Check out the
one entitled '"To continue booting, type 'mac-boot' and press
return" message appears', which I noted above as well. There it
is, ye olde instructions for clearing the NVRAM via Open
Firmware. So don't feel bad about being confused.
In article <13eoc3pn7hirhe1@corp.supernews.com>,
"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> So don't start some lameass myth and legend (like how the "routinely
> repair permissions" myth has gotten so huge) by posting something saying
> more restarts the better. If Apple says two bongs then that is all that
> is needed clear PRAM and NVRAM.
Yeah. Agreed. That was my point.
But please don't freak out about the past when indeed we were
specifically told by Apple regarding early PowerPC machines to
hold down the PRAM clearing keys through 'FOUR' beeps (or
'BONGs', hee hee!). Apple's documentation has changed over time
as has their hardware architecture.
:-Derek

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Mark Conrad - 16 Sep 2007 02:57 GMT
In article
<derekcurrie-5D2863.16523015092007@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>, Derek
Currie <derekcurrie@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
> > Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The
> > clock
> > settings may be reset to a default date on some models.
>
> Note please that these instructions include clearing the 'NVRAM'.
> So shoot the messenger all you like. Facts are facts.
Thanky, I sit corrected.
So much for understanding the "intuitive" Mac. ;-)
Mark-