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Jim Higgins - 17 Jun 2007 19:32 GMT
What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on them?
TaliesinSoft - 17 Jun 2007 19:55 GMT
> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on them?

Probably the most common firewire devices are external hard drives. In my own
case I have four external drives, three firewire 800 drives, daisy-chained,
and one firewire 400 drive.

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Jim Higgins - 17 Jun 2007 20:29 GMT
>> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on them?
>
> Probably the most common firewire devices are external hard drives. In my own
> case I have four external drives, three firewire 800 drives, daisy-chained,
> and one firewire 400 drive.

Are these FW 400 & 800 drives markedly more expensive than USB external
HDDs?  Or are they more like special purpose drives?  I am going to
convert to a MBP in early July and while I am aware of USB external
drives I have no clue about FW drives.
Fred Moore - 17 Jun 2007 21:27 GMT
> >> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on
> >> them?
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> convert to a MBP in early July and while I am aware of USB external
> drives I have no clue about FW drives.

FW 400 is not significantly more expensive than USB 2, but it is about
twice as fast despite similar 'nominal' specs for the two protocols. FW
800 is about twice as fast as FW 400.

If you want very high quality triple interface drives, I suggest buying
from Wiebetech <http://www.wiebetech.com>. Their products are a bit more
expensive, but the quality is well worth it if your data is valuable to
you.

Good luck and welcome to the Mac!

--Fred
Art Beattie - 21 Jun 2007 10:58 GMT
I don't know how the OWC (Other World Computing) line of drives
(www.macsales.com) hold up to Wiebetech or any of the others. However, I
have been using one for about 4 months now on my Ti500 running MacOS
9.1. It has one FW400 port (which I am using), two FW800 ports and one
USB 2.0 port. Comes with a cable for each type of connection (3), power
brick and CD for drivers for machines older than MacOS X. I had to get
my driver software off their internet site. The drives are priced
according to amount of storage and desired connectability.

It has been working fine for backups which is the purpose I bought it
for. Thus it spends most of its time powered off.

I have no interest in this company other than that of a so far satisfied
customer.

I also join Fred in saying good luck and welcome to the Mac.

> If you want very high quality triple interface drives, I suggest buying
> from Wiebetech <http://www.wiebetech.com>. Their products are a bit more
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>
> --Fred
Jim Higgins - 21 Jun 2007 13:39 GMT
> I don't know how the OWC (Other World Computing) line of drives
> (www.macsales.com) hold up to Wiebetech or any of the others. However, I
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>>
>> --Fred

Thanks for the info :-)
Elden Fenison - 14 Jul 2007 04:49 GMT
* Art Beattie [06/21/2007 09:58 UTC]:
> I don't know how the OWC (Other World Computing) line of drives
> (www.macsales.com) hold up to Wiebetech or any of the others.  

I've had two of their Mercury Elite firewire drive enclosures for
several years and have never had a problem. As a matter of fact, I just
ordered a third. Two of these are combination FW400/USB 2.0.

I always order the bare-bones enclosure and add my own drive. For the
500GB drive I just built it's a tad more spendy than a WD 500GB
FW400/USB2.0 drive from Costco... but I figure it's worth it to have it
match my other two drives. :)

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Charssun - 09 Nov 2007 01:03 GMT
> I don't know how the OWC (Other World Computing) line of drives
> (www.macsales.com) hold up to Wiebetech or any of the others. However, I
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> >
> > --Fred
Also look at Sonnet Technology.  I understand they're getting out of the
CPU upgrades business and focusing more on storage.

Charssun
Dick Sidbury - 18 Jun 2007 00:57 GMT
> >> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on
> >> them?
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> convert to a MBP in early July and while I am aware of USB external
> drives I have no clue about FW drives.

A quick glance at newegg.com shows that for example 500 gb USB 2.0's are
running about 120 dollars.  USB + FW400 runs about 160 and USB + F400
+F800 runs about 180.  So depending on your definition of markedly the
answer is probably yes.  OTOH, FW400 can be used to backup a computer
faster than a USB 2.0, on the order of 1/3 faster.  FW800 is probably 10
to 25 percent faster than FW400

dick
Jim Higgins - 18 Jun 2007 01:18 GMT
>>>> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on
>>>> them?
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>
> dick

Thanks for the info guys :-)
Shawn Hirn - 20 Jun 2007 23:19 GMT
> >> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on
> >> them?
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> Are these FW 400 & 800 drives markedly more expensive than USB external
> HDDs?  

Markedly more expensive? No, but they are more expensive. Feel free to
go to any web site where computer stuff is sold and see for yourself.
Note that many external disk drives come with both Firewire 400 and USB
2 ports on them. The only company I know of who makes a disk drive with
all three types of connectors is LaCie.
Bob Harris - 17 Jun 2007 22:52 GMT
> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on them?

Besides external disks, you can also...

Put your MacBook Pro into "Target" mode by booting the system
while holding down the 'T' key.  In "Target" mode, you can connect
the MacBook Pro to another Mac via a firewire cable and access the
MacBook Pro's hard drive as if it was an external disk to the
other Mac.  Most useful if you need to do some repair,
installation, or other unusual activities that for some reason you
can't do via the MacBook Pro

The converse of this is that any ohter firewire Mac can be put
into "Target" mode and mounted as an external disk by your MacBook
Pro.

There are Digital Video cameras that use firewire to export the
video to a computer.

Some of these DV cameras can also be used as a converter for say a
VCR to digital and import into your Mac.  Great for saving those
old home VCR movies of the kids, or Mom making your favorite apple
pie :-)

The original iPods used firewire to charge and sync with the Mac.  
I think all current iPods use USB 2.0 these days.

You can use firewire WebCams (including most DV cameras, once the
DV camera's recording media is removed, as firewire webcams).

Of course if you have used up your USB ports and still need to
connect more things, using the Firewire port is the way to go for
disk storage, as almost all firewire storage enclosures include
multiple firewire ports so you can daisy chain multiple drives off
of a single connection to the Mac.  USB can not be daisy chained,
and requires a USB hub.

You can network Macs via firewire.  This is faster than 100baseT,
but less than 1000baseT.  However, if you need a quick point to
point network connection between 2 Macs, you can use firewire for
this.  You can also enable the router software on MacOSX to bring
any firewire connected Macs into the rest of your network.

                                           Bob Harris
Shawn Hirn - 18 Jun 2007 12:45 GMT
> What are these ports used for on the MacBook Pro?  What can I hang on them?

External disk drives and video cameras, although I don't know of any
FW800 video cameras and FW800 disk drives are hard to find.
 
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