I've been enjoying the old Powerbook 1400, but it keeps dying on me.
Now it won't restart up at all. I've googled the issue and found that a
fix is to reset the Power Manager on the back of the machine.
So, I reset the PM a few times and it worked a few times. Now that
trick is not working.
Today I was typing along and it just died. First time for that
scenario.
The main battery seems dead. It won't hold a charge. So I took it out
and have been using it with just the AC plugged in. Is it bad to use a
computer with no battery in it at all? The floppy drive also doesn't
work so I took it out, too. Just to save weight. (I'm very tricky to
have lightened this machine by well over a pound. I cover the openings
with classy black duct tape.) Anyway, I also note that the date/time is
always wrong---so maybe the PRAM battery is also dead. (Is this the
"internal backup" battery?)
I'm wondering that if my battery scene is kaput if the whole thing is
not going to work well.
I haven't yet tried to zap the PRAM on the occasions I've got it
restarted so I plan to do that if I can revive it one more time. I did
rebuild the desktop.
I should try Disk First Aid, too, I suppose, but I don't seem to have a
CD drive bay around for this thing. It'll only work off a Zip drive at
this point. It seems like a pain to make a Zip drive with a start-up
disk and DFA or Norton on it.
Any further ideas? Thanks!
JP
outyourbackdoor.com
> Anyway, I also note that the date/time is
> always wrong---so maybe the PRAM battery is also dead. (Is this the
> "internal backup" battery?)
Yes - from memory it's a pair of button cells mounted in a black plastic
holder under the palmrest. It should have a twisted pair of black/red
wires coming out of it. It's almost certainly dead and will make your
machine behave badly. Not sure where to source one - maybe a battery
specialist or Sun Remarketing perhaps.
> I'm wondering that if my battery scene is kaput if the whole thing is
> not going to work well.
Not sure what you mean here, but a dead PRAM battery will leave the
machine set unpredictably. Your main battery seems dead as well, but
it's OK to run the machine without it. However if your mains power gets
interrupted for even a split second (by a voltage spike or a cable
wiggling in a socket) the entire machine will go down instantly. That's
what appears to have happened. Even if your battery holds only a minute
of charge it will protect you from that kind of thing. Also the machine
is prone to tipping backwards if you take the weight of the battery out
of the front.
> I haven't yet tried to zap the PRAM on the occasions I've got it
> restarted so I plan to do that if I can revive it one more time. I did
> rebuild the desktop.
Don't bother zapping the PRAM until you have the backup battery
replaced, it will do no good until there is power to hold the reset
settings in the PRAM.
> I should try Disk First Aid, too, I suppose, but I don't seem to have a
> CD drive bay around for this thing. It'll only work off a Zip drive at
> this point. It seems like a pain to make a Zip drive with a start-up
> disk and DFA or Norton on it.
Norton under OS 9 is a good bet - as is DiskWarrior. Once you have the
machine stable you should thoroughly check the hard drive.
Steve Hix - 24 Jan 2007 03:52 GMT
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<m.kirkcaldie-8AC405.09435224012007@news.sydney.pipenetworks.com>,
> > Anyway, I also note that the date/time is
> > always wrong---so maybe the PRAM battery is also dead. (Is this the
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> machine behave badly. Not sure where to source one - maybe a battery
> specialist or Sun Remarketing perhaps.
A couple of sources:
http://www.powerbookguy.com/xcart/catalog/Batteries-price0-p-1-c-505.html
http://www.welovemacs.com/9222429.html (I'd use them as a last resort,
frankly, but if they're the only ones who have the part you need...)
JeffOYB@hotmail.com - 24 Jan 2007 14:36 GMT
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http://www.powerbookguy.com/xcart/catalog/Batteries-price0-p-1-c-505.html
Thanks for the link. I see I can get both new batteries for about $75.
So if I got new batteries this thing might start up again?
I forgot to mention that I hadn't used it for a few years and had only
been using it for a week or two when it just fritzed out.
The AC power doesn't seem to be enough to get it powered up, for some
reason. I gather that the PRAM battery tells the machine which SCSI to
boot up from or something like that so with a dead PRAM battery it
can't start...? Too bad AC power won't fill in for the PRAM...?
I put the old main battery back in with AC power attached for the past
day. Still no start-up.
Hey, if I get this new $10 PRAM battery am I going to go nuts trying to
install it? Here's a link to info:
http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh/pbook.shtml. She says the batt's
are soldered and hiding way inside the case. Sounds scary but I'm game.
I'm guessing: open case, slide everything out, cut wires to old batt's,
twist up new connections to replacement batteries? I don't have
soldering stuff.
Is there ANY way to get my data off of it without the batteries?
Matthew Kirkcaldie - 24 Jan 2007 20:53 GMT
> Is there ANY way to get my data off of it without the batteries?
Yes, two I can think of immediately:
You can start it in SCSI disk mode by plugging in a disk mode SCSI
adapter at the back - it will either be a cable dedicated to disk mode
(has 50 pins in the square connector) or a switchable one (should have a
little slide switch on the side of it to change it from a SCSI adapter
to a SCSI disk mode adapter. That would make the machine behave as an
external SCSI disk drive when you turn it on, which allows it to be
plugged into another Mac capable of using SCSI peripherals (getting
rarer these days, in fact anything post-iMac would need a special card).
More flexible is the option of dismantling the machine, removing the
2.5" hard disk and putting it into an external USB / FireWire case; that
way it becomes an external backup drive. You're lucky it's a 1400 which
uses an IDE drive, that's the only kind which works in these enclosures.
Should cost about $20 for the enclosure including interface board.
Probably easier than swapping the PRAM battery and you have a bonus
backup drive. But you lose the PowerBook of course.
I have a 1400c still with its G3 upgrade, lovely bit of gear, if it ran
OS X I would still use it at home I reckon.
Cheers, MK.
Matthew Kirkcaldie - 24 Jan 2007 21:32 GMT
> http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh/pbook.shtml. She says the batt's
> are soldered and hiding way inside the case. Sounds scary but I'm game.
> I'm guessing: open case, slide everything out, cut wires to old batt's,
> twist up new connections to replacement batteries? I don't have
> soldering stuff.
The battery should come as a pair of button cells in heatshrink plastic
with a pair of wires already soldered to them, ending in a connector.
Once you get to the battery it should be a matter of unplugging the old
one and plugging in the new. If the batteries DON'T come with wires
soldered, don't buy them - soldering button cells is very hazardous even
if you did have soldering gear.
Disassembling the machine to the point where you can replace the battery
would be pretty heavy going - if you lack solder gear it sounds like you
might not have the experience with electronics to make it a success.
However you should be capable of taking out the hard drive to put it in
an external case - that doesn't require putting it all back together in
a working state, which can be challenging if you're not used to that
kind of work.
Alternatively find a friend or a reasonably priced tech and have them do
it for you.
This Japanese site shows disassembly pictures:
http://clab.vis.ne.jp/CLab/PB1400/c08_disassy-mb.html
You basically slide the speaker grill to the left and lift it off, lift
out the far edge of the keyboard and flip it toward you. Don't worry
about undoing the screws on the metal heatsink, you don't need to do
that bit. At that point you should be able to remove the hard drive by
undoing the two screws at the right side of the metal "tray" it's
sitting in and lifting the tray. Then unplug the connector very
carefully, undo the screws holding the drive in the tray, and you have
the bare drive suitable for installing into the external case.
Cheers, MK.
JeffOYB@hotmail.com - 25 Jan 2007 00:12 GMT
Thanks for the great tips, MK!!!
Hi again! Well, I bought the PRAM battery from Powerbook Guy for $10 an
installed it. That was fun! The green light came back on. I plugged i
AC. But I still have "green light coma." Pressing the PM button for
minute did nothing. Now, the laptop case is still open and the keyboar
is loose but all connections seem in place. Any other ideas on kickin
it back to life? Thanks, J
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JeffOY
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Shuflie - 03 Mar 2007 01:47 GMT
Mine is pretty much the same as yours. I find that just repeatedl
pressing the reset will work eventually. Try a combination of holdin
in for 10 seconds and just pressing in and releasing until you hear i
chime, should start up after a few goes
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Shufli
Future Hardware - http://www.futurehardware.i
Thanks, everyone! And especially the last replier.
I replugged in my laptop---it had been a few days since I installed th
PRAM battery---and it just CHIMED to life! YAY! My data, all rescued
Back in action!
Thanks again. J
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JeffOY
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