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Left & right mouse buttons on a Powerbook

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no-spam2@lycos.com - 12 Jan 2007 14:55 GMT
I'm working with an application under X11 and it describes various
functions using a right mouse-click and a left mouse-click.

So, on a Powerbook G4 with a trackpad and one mouse-button, is that a
right or left click, and what do I do to get the other button?
Tim Lance - 12 Jan 2007 15:27 GMT
> I'm working with an application under X11 and it describes various
> functions using a right mouse-click and a left mouse-click.
>
> So, on a Powerbook G4 with a trackpad and one mouse-button, is that a
> right or left click, and what do I do to get the other button?

Best is to buy a multi-button mouse. A wonderful alternative is SideTrack.
Built-in is just to hold the ctrl key when clicking the button so as to get a
right-click action.

SideTrack is so dang good I have it on my MacBook Pro and MacBook even though
they do scrolling. But, with ST you get control over the clicking and the
corners can be programmed for all sorts of things.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20854

I can't get to the actual site from behind our stoopid firewall.

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no-spam2@lycos.com - 12 Jan 2007 17:10 GMT
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:55:46 -0600, no-spam2@lycos.com wrote

> > So, on a Powerbook G4 with a trackpad and one mouse-button, is that a
> > right or left click, and what do I do to get the other button?
>
> Best is to buy a multi-button mouse. A wonderful alternative is SideTrack.
> Built-in is just to hold the ctrl key when clicking the button so as to get a
> right-click action.

I already have a mouse, but I never use it because it sort of defeats
the purpose of having a laptop in my opinion, with all sorts of wires
and bits and pieces connected to it. There are things connected to it
that I really need, but once I got used to the trackpad I didn't feel
the need for a mouse any longer.

I gave SideTrack a go. Seems very nice, though it messed with the
tracking speed so everything felt strange, but I'm sure it's just a
matter of adjusting things.
Although I found the feature which snaps the mouse-pointer
automatically to the default window button useful I don't think I
really need all those extra features. Call me simple, but I like to
keep things simple ;-)
Tim Lance - 12 Jan 2007 19:33 GMT
>> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:55:46 -0600, no-spam2@lycos.com wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> really need all those extra features. Call me simple, but I like to
> keep things simple ;-)

OK, Simple,           : )

I like the horizontal scrolling of ST and do have the corners programmed for
just four simple actions (none with modifier keys) though the only action I
regularly use is for the right-click.

Between the System Preferences for Trackpad/Mouse and ST's own settings I'll
bet you'll be fine.

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John Johnson - 12 Jan 2007 20:40 GMT
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:55:46 -0600, no-spam2@lycos.com wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> that I really need, but once I got used to the trackpad I didn't feel
> the need for a mouse any longer.

If it's just wires and connections, you might consider a Bluetooth
mouse. That doesn't take away from the "have to haul an extra bit of
gear around" issue, however.

later,
Johnj

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Randal L. Schwartz - 13 Jan 2007 16:23 GMT
>>>>> "John" == John Johnson <null@invalid.com> writes:

John> If it's just wires and connections, you might consider a Bluetooth
John> mouse. That doesn't take away from the "have to haul an extra bit of
John> gear around" issue, however.

I'm not sure if this was the previous poster's position, but I hate mice now.
I've never owned a desktop mac, or any computer that used a mouse, for that
matter.  (My macbook pro was my first x86 machine.)  Having "grown up" with my
primary machine using at first a trackball (on my powerbook 140), and now a
trackpad, I find *any* thought of being forced to use a mouse appalling,
because it would mean constantly moving my right hand some distance away from
the keyboard.

The trackpad is just too darn convenient.  There *is* no substitute.  I'm not
even sure how people tolerate that much right hand movement to use a mouse.
Now if we could just get "pinch" technology (ala iPhone) on that
trackpad... I'd be in heaven. :)

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Lou Pecora - 12 Jan 2007 21:20 GMT
> I gave SideTrack a go. Seems very nice, though it messed with the
> tracking speed so everything felt strange, but I'm sure it's just a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> really need all those extra features. Call me simple, but I like to
> keep things simple ;-)

I'll second that on SideTrack.  I've had it for a few years on my 1.25
GHz Al Powerbook (~ 2004 vintage).  Works find. No problems. I don't use
all the features, but the ones I do use are very nice (scrolling
horizontal and vertical).

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Tom Harrington - 12 Jan 2007 16:42 GMT
> I'm working with an application under X11 and it describes various
> functions using a right mouse-click and a left mouse-click.
>
> So, on a Powerbook G4 with a trackpad and one mouse-button, is that a
> right or left click, and what do I do to get the other button?

The trackpad button is normally a left-click.  Control-click for the
right mouse button.

Depending on the specific Powerbook model you may be able to use the
two-finger-touch-and-click method.  Look in System Preferences,
"Keyboard & Mouse", under trackpad options,  If there's an option for
"place two fingers on trackpad and click button for secondary click",
then you've got it.  If not then your PB old enough that it doesn't
support this feature.

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no-spam2@lycos.com - 12 Jan 2007 17:03 GMT
> > So, on a Powerbook G4 with a trackpad and one mouse-button, is that a
> > right or left click, and what do I do to get the other button?
>
> The trackpad button is normally a left-click.  Control-click for the
> right mouse button.

Got it. Thanks.

> Depending on the specific Powerbook model you may be able to use the
> two-finger-touch-and-click method.  Look in System Preferences,
> "Keyboard & Mouse", under trackpad options,  If there's an option for
> "place two fingers on trackpad and click button for secondary click",
> then you've got it.  If not then your PB old enough that it doesn't
> support this feature.

That's strange. I have the latest Powerbook there is (15" 1.67GHz,
Superdrive etc.) which I bought around October 2005, but the above
option doesn't seem to be available.
Tom Harrington - 12 Jan 2007 18:03 GMT
> > Depending on the specific Powerbook model you may be able to use the
> > two-finger-touch-and-click method.  Look in System Preferences,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Superdrive etc.) which I bought around October 2005, but the above
> option doesn't seem to be available.

Hm, I'm seeing this on an Intel Mac, but I was under the impression that
this feature had appeared in later PowerBooks.  I must have been
mistaken.  Sorry about that.

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Steve Hix - 12 Jan 2007 19:09 GMT
> > > Depending on the specific Powerbook model you may be able to use the
> > > two-finger-touch-and-click method.  Look in System Preferences,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> this feature had appeared in later PowerBooks.  I must have been
> mistaken.  Sorry about that.

The last PowerBooks support two-finger scrolling, but not two-finger
right-click operation.
Bob Harris - 13 Jan 2007 02:14 GMT
In article
<1168613746.145887.215800@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

> I'm working with an application under X11 and it describes various
> functions using a right mouse-click and a left mouse-click.
>
> So, on a Powerbook G4 with a trackpad and one mouse-button, is that a
> right or left click, and what do I do to get the other button?

   X11 Mouse Buttons

       Mac X11                       On a Real UNIX system
       ------------------     ---    ---------------------
       left-Click             MB1    Left-Click
       Option-Click           MB2    Center-Click
       Command-Left-Click     MB3    Right-Click

                                       Bob Harris
no-spam2@lycos.com - 13 Jan 2007 13:32 GMT
>     X11 Mouse Buttons
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>         Option-Click           MB2    Center-Click
>         Command-Left-Click     MB3    Right-Click

How do you do a "command-left-click"?
Or should that be "Command-click" as a right-click within X11?
Bob Harris - 13 Jan 2007 23:39 GMT
In article
<1168695150.701740.283300@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,

> >     X11 Mouse Buttons
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> How do you do a "command-left-click"?
> Or should that be "Command-click" as a right-click within X11?

Yes, Command-Click

My problem is that I have 3-button mouse, so for me it is the Left
mouse button, hence my description :-)

                                       Bob Harris
no-spam2@lycos.com - 14 Jan 2007 13:08 GMT
> In article
> <1168695150.701740.283300@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> My problem is that I have 3-button mouse, so for me it is the Left
> mouse button, hence my description :-)

Now I'm really confused!
Are you saying that there are in fact several standards to consider
here?
Previous posters have stated that a right-click on a Powerbook is done
by CTRL-clicking.
But is this only with native Mac applications?
So when I run anything within X11 a totally different standard applies?
Bob Harris - 14 Jan 2007 22:07 GMT
In article
<1168780089.902361.270480@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

> > In article
> > <1168695150.701740.283300@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> But is this only with native Mac applications?
> So when I run anything within X11 a totally different standard applies?

No.  It means I have a "Programmable Mouse Driver" and "I"
personally have programmed my mouse to do strange and different
things.

Sooooo, saying
   Command-Left-Click     MB3    Right-Click
Was a note to me that if I want Right-Click in X11, I can get it
by hitting that key for me.

I just forgot to translate that back into single button notation
for posting here.

Here is where you can get the "Offical" X11 mouse button rules

   X11 -> Preferences -> Input -> Emulate 3 Button Mouse

Read the text under this X11 preference:

   Hold down the Option key when you click to emulate the middle
   mouse button.  Hold down the Command key when you click to
   emulate the right mouse button.

Just ignore everything else I said, and read that text.  

As to how multi-button mice behave in X11, "I AM A BAD SOURCE OF
INFORMATION", as I reprogram my mouse.

                                       Bob Harris
 
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