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Can OS X "Mail" quickly switch between 2 ISPs?

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Mark Conrad - 18 Nov 2006 20:43 GMT
Is it possible for the OS X "Mail" application to quickly and easily
switch between two different Internet Service Providers?

My initial attempts to use Mail in this fashion failed, in so far as
using the "Location" feature in the Apple menu was concerned.

Can't find anything in Mail Help that indicates this is possible.

Mark-
Marc Heusser - 18 Nov 2006 22:50 GMT
> Is it possible for the OS X "Mail" application to quickly and easily
> switch between two different Internet Service Providers?
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>
> Can't find anything in Mail Help that indicates this is possible.

What do you mean exactly?
If you have one account and access it by connecting to the internet via
two different ISP, you do not have to do anything to switch, you access
the same account fetching from POP/IMAP mailbox anyway.
Or do you mean sending through two different maildrops? If so, create
two accounts in Preferences/Accounts (one for each). Then you will be
able to select which one to use for sending when composing new mail.
Or ...

HTH

Marc

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Mark Conrad - 19 Nov 2006 03:41 GMT
Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALspammers.invalid>
wrote:

> > Is it possible for the OS X "Mail" application to quickly and easily
> > switch between two different Internet Service Providers?
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>
> What do you mean exactly?

I have two completely different ISPs on one Mac, for redundancy reasons.

Each ISP has its own distinct user name and password in order to log
onto the ISP itself, before mail can be sent or received.

Simple logic says to create two separate "Locations".

Unfortunately that will not work, because  _some_  of the entries for
one ISP get overwritten by the other ISP.

Specifically, the user name and password fields get overwritten.

Result is that only one ISP can be accessed from Location in Apple menu,
even though two Locations are listed there.

No Big Deal, I can alway fill in all the settings for the emergency ISP
manually, but my hope was that "Location" would take care of it for me,
to avoid that chore.

Mark-
Mike Beede - 19 Nov 2006 04:05 GMT
> Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALspammers.invalid>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Result is that only one ISP can be accessed from Location in Apple menu,
> even though two Locations are listed there.

The Apple>Location item is to choose network settings.  You want to
go to Mail>Preferences>Accounts and add another account.  You can
put in a separate user id and password without overwriting the
other one.

   Mike Beede
Mark Conrad - 19 Nov 2006 14:14 GMT
> > > What do you mean exactly?
> >
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>
> The Apple>Location item is to choose network settings.

Okay.

> You want to go to Mail>Preferences>Accounts and
> add another account.  You can put in a separate
> user id and password without overwriting the
> other one.

Already tried that, and indeed  _most_  of the settings flip over when I
one-click the name of the 1st account  (ISP Account#1) in the Accounts
column of  Mail>Preferences>Accounts

...however the user name and password fields were overwritten, therefore
were incapable of "flipping back" to their correct settings.

Result is that  _most_  of the fields of "ISP Account#1" flipped, but
the "ISP Account#1"  is trying to use the username and password of "ISP
Account#2", which of course will not work.

In other words, the username and password of the very first ISP account
were overwritten by what I wrote later, when I was filling in the
entries for the 2nd ISP account.

Does any of this make sense to you?   I hope so.

Mark-
John Johnson - 19 Nov 2006 15:58 GMT
> > > > What do you mean exactly?
> > >
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>
> Mark-

You'll need to give us the version of Mail.app that you're using, and
the version of OS X, before anyone can help. That said, I just created a
second account in mail.app (v2.1, OS X 10.4.8) and everything flips when
I switch accounts. Nothing got overwritten.

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Russell Sheptak - 19 Nov 2006 20:07 GMT
> > > > What do you mean exactly?
> > >
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>
> Does any of this make sense to you?   I hope so.

No, it does not make sense.  I have 3 separate accounts set up in Mail
(10.2, 10.3, and in 10.4) each with its own username and password, and
mail server (you did configure both smtp servers also, right?).

It sounds like your configuration is wrong.  The account information is
not supposed to be carried over from one account in Mail to the next.  I
just created a new account in Mail, and it was filled out with default
garbage that assumes I want to connect to .Mac.  

Did you configure separate SMTP servers for each account?  These need
their username and password fields filled out separately.

I think you'll need to give us separate information about what each
account's settings are, both from the Account Information panel, and
from the Server Settings panel, with account information obviously
obfuscated for us to help.

rus
Mark Conrad - 19 Nov 2006 22:31 GMT
> I think you'll need to give us separate information about what each
> account's settings are, both from the Account Information panel, and
> from the Server Settings panel, with account information obviously
> obfuscated for us to help.

Thanks, I will compose a few posts with exact enough settings to get
across the idea of what is happening here.

As you suggest, a few of the settings like passwords will be slightly
altered to preserve privacy.

Please allow me a bit of time to compose the posts, because detailed
posts often obscure exactly what is trying to be accomplished.
(if the posts are poorly written)

Main points tend to get buried in details.

...such as the fact that I have two-and-a-half  ISPs !!!

Don't ask, we will all be better off  ;-)

Now back to composing those detailed posts.

Mark-
Mark Conrad - 20 Nov 2006 10:29 GMT
> I think you'll need to give us separate information about what each
> account's settings are, both from the Account Information panel, and
> from the Server Settings panel, with account information obviously
> obfuscated for us to help.

Thank goodness I will not have to go into all that detail, it makes for
very dull reading  ;-)

I did one heck of a lot of trouble-shooting in the past eleven hours.

FWIW, here I am running OS 10.4.8 with Mail version 2.1 on a six year
old Pismo powerbook.

I do not know what I was doing wrong initially.

Everything was snarled up, to the extent that none of my email accounts
were working, even after I restored their initial settings.

I had to restore my entire boot partition just to get my original email
account working again.

One thing I found out very quickly.   A person can't rely on their ISP
technical support to supply them with correct information.

The tech' guy at my new ISP kept insisting that his email server
required authentication.  (ISP user-name and password)

Silly me, I believed him, all sorts of problems resulted.

Out of sheer desperation late Sunday night, I tried it with
authentication set to "none".

Now everything works okay, can do "one click" to my hearts content.

I find it hard to believe that the authentication issue was the main
cause of all my email difficulties though.   I must have had some
crucial setting wrong, without being aware of it.

Anyhow, now everything works as it should.

ALL  my email's "preference" settings for my various ISPs now flip over
automatically, in response to the "Location" setting in the Apple Menu.

I do not have to touch anything in the email program's preference
settings, nothing at all, not even the outgoing mail server, which has a
drop-down menu of my various outgoing mail server names.

Thanks, I appreciate the help everyone offered.

Mark-
Matthew Kirkcaldie - 18 Nov 2006 23:14 GMT
> Is it possible for the OS X "Mail" application to quickly and easily
> switch between two different Internet Service Providers?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Can't find anything in Mail Help that indicates this is possible.

If you need to check two accounts, you can just set up both accounts in
Preferences and it will check them simultaneously.

If that's not what you're asking, what are you trying to do?

     Cheers, MK.
Charles - 19 Nov 2006 00:00 GMT
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<m.kirkcaldie-5FC14F.10141719112006@news.sydney.pipenetworks.com>,

> If you need to check two accounts, you can just set up both accounts in
> Preferences and it will check them simultaneously.
>
> If that's not what you're asking, what are you trying to do?

He is trying to troll........

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