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j - 25 Dec 2005 19:43 GMT
Hi,

Daughter lost her drive recently. Computer only 6 months old, but I can
understand the drive's reliability. It is often the luck of the draw.
Positive side, she now knows what backup means.

1) Went through the 'care' service and determined we need to send in the
computer to the factory. The care tech was not certain the drive was dead,
or corrupted.

2) Went to Apple Store and they connected an external hard drive through
fire-wire. The goal/hope was to try and recover data. I was told that the
booting up sequence was stalled on the internal hard-drive and that the
internal hard drive was dead.  The laptop never saw the firewire drive.

Q1: Is there a quick way to determine that the drive is dead, versus
corrupted? It seemed like we tried quite a few things before this conclusion
was reached on the care line. Best I can tell the critical sign was when the
little cursor with clock stopped ticking after some time and no disk icon
appeared in-between the two arrows (one curved) and one straight.

Q2: What about preventing disk corruption. This time, that was not issue.
But, what is good program for daughter to run periodically to keep stuff on
disk cleaner? e.g. On PCs winos some folks use norton (although I hear that
is not great all the time.) I have heard some folks mention disk warrior.

Q3: I had to sign up for the care, but now I find out that maybe my
step-daughters step mother may have purchased the care when she got the
laptop. But, when on line with care hotline, they did not show record of the
computer being under the 3year care policy.
Ever hear of hiccups like this?

Q4: What is a good book for a hardware/software literate person to learn
more about the mac Tiger OS? In going through the care hotline and holding
down special keys, trying this, trying that, there seems to be a lot of
back-doors to figure out what is going on with the computer. Would be
interested in learning more.

Q5: Any general advice on G4 laptop, Tiger OS, in terms of keeping computer
running smoothe would be appreciated. I need to send computer back to
factory. They are sending a box. I can't complain about the support staff.
They seem to be competent and the wait time was under 2 minutes. Not sure
you would find this with a PC.

Thanks for your time.
Merry Christmas.

Best Regards,

J
Steven Fisher - 25 Dec 2005 19:36 GMT
> Q1: Is there a quick way to determine that the drive is dead, versus
> corrupted? It seemed like we tried quite a few things before this conclusion
> was reached on the care line. Best I can tell the critical sign was when the
> little cursor with clock stopped ticking after some time and no disk icon
> appeared in-between the two arrows (one curved) and one straight.

Well, you could boot off the CD and try reformatting it a couple times.
But it does sound like a hardware problem.

> Q2: What about preventing disk corruption. This time, that was not issue.
> But, what is good program for daughter to run periodically to keep stuff on
> disk cleaner? e.g. On PCs winos some folks use norton (although I hear that
> is not great all the time.) I have heard some folks mention disk warrior.

Honestly? Waste of money. Mac OS X takes care of its file system. (This
wasn't always the case, but it is now.)

> Q3: I had to sign up for the care, but now I find out that maybe my
> step-daughters step mother may have purchased the care when she got the
> laptop. But, when on line with care hotline, they did not show record of the
> computer being under the 3year care policy.
> Ever hear of hiccups like this?

Yeah. You need to activate AppleCare. If you don't, it's just a number
in the box. But AppleCare actually has its own box, so if you don't have
that box, it probably isn't under AppleCare. Maybe it was some store's
extended warranty rip-off... I mean, deal?

> Q4: What is a good book for a hardware/software literate person to learn
> more about the mac Tiger OS? In going through the care hotline and holding
> down special keys, trying this, trying that, there seems to be a lot of
> back-doors to figure out what is going on with the computer. Would be
> interested in learning more.

You could look for one, but when you call AppleCare they're just going
to make you jump through the hoops anyway. I wouldn't worry about any of
the power user tricks.

> Q5: Any general advice on G4 laptop, Tiger OS, in terms of keeping computer
> running smoothe would be appreciated. I need to send computer back to
> factory. They are sending a box. I can't complain about the support staff.
> They seem to be competent and the wait time was under 2 minutes. Not sure
> you would find this with a PC.

Get evidence that the laptop was in good shape before you put it in the
box. Take plenty of pictures, maybe. Make sure you get the date in there
somewhere. I don't know exactly how to do this, but the basic idea is
that you want to be able to prove the laptop was in good physical shape
before you put it in the box. There used to be a big problem with
laptops in transit being smashed.

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John Johnson - 26 Dec 2005 03:51 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Daughter lost her drive recently. Computer only 6 months old, but I can
> understand the drive's reliability. It is often the luck of the draw.
> Positive side, she now knows what backup means.

[snip]

> Q1: Is there a quick way to determine that the drive is dead, versus
> corrupted?
[snip]

As another poster wrote: attempt to boot off of another volume, and
check the status of the internal disk.

> Q2: What about preventing disk corruption.
[snip]
Keep good backups. Very little that you can do will affect whether or
not hardware failures occur. Software corruption is unusual given
current OS X.

> Q3: I had to sign up for the care, but now I find out that maybe my
> step-daughters step mother may have purchased the care when she got the
> laptop. But, when on line with care hotline, they did not show record of the
> computer being under the 3year care policy.
> Ever hear of hiccups like this?

Well, lots of things are possible. The easiest solution is to check the
receipts for the computer. Apple lists their AppleCare separately when
purchased.

> Q4: What is a good book for a hardware/software literate person to learn
> more about the mac Tiger OS?
[snip]
There are a number of books on OS X. Just entering "OS X" into the
search at Barnes and Noble's website came up with plenty of books. I
recommend going somewhere that has them on the shelf, and browsing
through them. If one strikes your fancy, then you can buy it. Typically
the Visual Quickstart Guide, and Missing Manual series books are pretty
good, but I've not read any of them so can't really recommend anything.

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John

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Andreas Rutishauser - 26 Dec 2005 08:43 GMT
Salut J

> 2) Went to Apple Store and they connected an external hard drive through
> fire-wire. The goal/hope was to try and recover data. I was told that the
> booting up sequence was stalled on the internal hard-drive and that the
> internal hard drive was dead.  The laptop never saw the firewire drive.

?? FireWire port grilled? External drive had no OS for tht PowerBook
installed?

> Q1: Is there a quick way to determine that the drive is dead, versus
> corrupted? It seemed like we tried quite a few things before this conclusion
> was reached on the care line. Best I can tell the critical sign was when the
> little cursor with clock stopped ticking after some time and no disk icon
> appeared in-between the two arrows (one curved) and one straight.

Check the drive with a utility booted from an external harddrive or from
the optical drive. Boot PowerBook in FireWire Target Disk Mode from
another OS X Mac and check the drive. Run Apple Hardware test.

> Q2: What about preventing disk corruption. This time, that was not issue.
> But, what is good program for daughter to run periodically to keep stuff on
> disk cleaner? e.g. On PCs winos some folks use norton (although I hear that
> is not great all the time.) I have heard some folks mention disk warrior.

There is a little utility that shows you the SMART status of the drive
in the menu bar. I don't remember the name... green is "ok", red has
"errors" and drive should be replaced

Cheers
Andreas

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