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Booting new iBook with old OS?

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H.B. Elkins - 22 Nov 2005 16:57 GMT
I just bought a new iBook G4 (1.33Ghz) to replace an old iBook G4 that died.

This new iBook shipped with Tiger (OS X 10.4.2).

Will it boot into any version of 10.3?

I ask because I would like to run some Classic apps and Tiger does not support
Classic.

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nospam - 22 Nov 2005 17:28 GMT
> I just bought a new iBook G4 (1.33Ghz) to replace an old iBook G4 that died.
>
> This new iBook shipped with Tiger (OS X 10.4.2).
>
> Will it boot into any version of 10.3?

i think that model came out after tiger did, so no it won't.

> I ask because I would like to run some Classic apps and Tiger does not support
> Classic.

where did you get that idea?  tiger supports classic, however, os9 is
no longer installed out of the box.  you need to install it manually
from one of the discs included with the machine.
H.B. Elkins - 24 Nov 2005 06:33 GMT
>where did you get that idea?  tiger supports classic, however, os9 is
>no longer installed out of the box.  you need to install it manually
>from one of the discs included with the machine.

I thought I read somewhere that Classic would not run on Tiger.

Even so, isn't the OS 9 installer a Classic app? How will it run if Classic
isn't already on the machine???

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David Empson - 24 Nov 2005 11:48 GMT
> I thought I read somewhere that Classic would not run on Tiger.

Works fine for everyone else, so someone has made a mistake.

> Even so, isn't the OS 9 installer a Classic app? How will it run if Classic
> isn't already on the machine???

There are two separate issues here.

If you buy a new Mac, it won't have the classic environment
pre-installed, but it is included as an optional installation on one of
the CDs or DVDs included with the computer.

I haven't actually seen one of these up close, but I expect it is a
standard Mac OS X installer, which creates the Mac OS 9 "System Folder"
and all associated pieces, and installs the necessary Mac OS X support
files for the Classic environment (if they aren't there already).

On an older computer which is able to boot Mac OS 9, it should have been
supplied with a bootable Mac OS 9 CD.  You must boot from that CD to
install Mac OS 9 on the hard drive, as the Classic environment (running
natively in Mac OS X) usually cannot start up from a system folder on a
read-only volume. (You can probably work around this by copying the CD
to a read/write disk image on the hard drive with sufficient space for
additional files, but this is a rather messy procedure and wasteful of
disk space.)

I assume there is no middle ground - computers which cannot boot Mac OS
9, but which only included Mac OS 9 in the form of a CD (or a disk image
of the Mac OS 9 CD on a DVD).

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Fred McKenzie - 25 Nov 2005 02:30 GMT
> If you buy a new Mac, it won't have the classic environment
> pre-installed, but it is included as an optional installation on one of
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> and all associated pieces, and installs the necessary Mac OS X support
> files for the Classic environment (if they aren't there already).

David-

Your assessment is correct.  My Mac Mini came with a separate "Mac mini
Mac OS 9 Install Disc".

Out of curiosity, I tried the CD in my Wallstreet PB G3.  It is not
bootable and the installer will not run when booted under OS 9.  It
appeared to run under 10.2.8, but it finished quickly and nothing got
installed!

Fred
Steve Hix - 25 Nov 2005 05:13 GMT
> >where did you get that idea?  tiger supports classic, however, os9 is
> >no longer installed out of the box.  you need to install it manually
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> Even so, isn't the OS 9 installer a Classic app? How will it run if Classic
> isn't already on the machine???

Install the Classic stuff from the Tiger DVD, if it's not already
installed on your machine.
Tom Harrington - 22 Nov 2005 18:15 GMT
> I just bought a new iBook G4 (1.33Ghz) to replace an old iBook G4 that died.
>
> This new iBook shipped with Tiger (OS X 10.4.2).
>
> Will it boot into any version of 10.3?

Apple says no.  You could try it, but it's extremely unlikely that it
will work.

> I ask because I would like to run some Classic apps and Tiger does not support
> Classic.

That is not true.  Tiger runs Classic just like very version of Mac OS X
before it.

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H.B. Elkins - 24 Nov 2005 06:32 GMT
>>I ask because I would like to run some Classic apps and Tiger does not support
>> Classic.
>
>That is not true.  Tiger runs Classic just like very version of Mac OS X
>before it.

Thought I read that someplace. If not true, my bad.

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Andreas Rutishauser - 22 Nov 2005 21:47 GMT
Salut H.B.

> I just bought a new iBook G4 (1.33Ghz) to replace an old iBook G4 that died.
>
> This new iBook shipped with Tiger (OS X 10.4.2).
>
> Will it boot into any version of 10.3?

no. Maybe 10.3.5 but I would not count on it.

> I ask because I would like to run some Classic apps and Tiger does not support
> Classic.

Who told you that? Because it is not installed by default this does not
mean it is not supported.
Normally you'll find Classic Support and install routine on the second
install DVD.

Cheers
Andreas

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Gregory Weston - 22 Nov 2005 23:04 GMT
> I just bought a new iBook G4 (1.33Ghz) to replace an old iBook G4 that died.
>
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> I ask because I would like to run some Classic apps and Tiger does not support
> Classic.

Tiger certainly supports classic. Correct whoever misinformed you.

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