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Mac Forum / General / Portable Macs / June 2005PB180c - SCSI disk mode??
My PB180c is on its last legs, and I'd like to get the useful files off the disk. It seems like the best way to do this is by connecting the machine to my old desktop Mac via a SCSI connection. I do have the special cable that's needed for SCSI disk mode. What I no longer have is the instruction manual that describes how to bring the machine up in SCSI disk mode, and the order in which things need to be done. If someone can describe the process, I'd be most thankful. Just to complicate things - my trackball is only partly functional - it'll move the cursor right and left along the menu bar, but it'll no longer move up or down. I can do a fair amount of navigation using the keyboard, but if this requires checking a button in a dialog box, I may be out of luck. Thanks again for any suggestions. Nicholas In article <hGWte.344328$cg1.156485@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > My PB180c is on its last legs, and I'd like to get the useful files off the > disk. It seems like the best way to do this is by connecting the machine to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > up or down. I can do a fair amount of navigation using the keyboard, but if > this requires checking a button in a dialog box, I may be out of luck. SCSI disk mode was enabled by plugging in the special cable to the HDI-30 port. You turned the computer off, plugged the cable in, plugged the other end into another computer, turned the powerbook on. A SCSI logo appeared on the screen. You then turned the desktop computer on. Hi, download Manual from Apple: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/powerbooks/0302674APB1 60180UG.PDF and look at page 230 (sheet 245 in the pdf file). As an added bonus you now have the manual again... Cheers Darrell Jefress schrieb: > My PB180c is on its last legs, and I'd like to get the useful files off the > disk. It seems like the best way to do this is by connecting the machine to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nicholas > Hi, > download Manual from Apple: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/powerbooks/0302674APB1 60180UG.PDF > and look at page 230 (sheet 245 in the pdf file). > As an added bonus you now have the manual again... > > Cheers Wow, thanks - it never occured to me that Apple would supply manuals for machines that old! (And Matthew, thanks for your reply as well.) NKES In article <hGWte.344328$cg1.156485@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Darrell Jefress <evely7@tokyo.com> wrote: > My PB180c is on its last legs, and I'd like to get the useful files off the > disk. It seems like the best way to do this is by connecting the machine to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks again for any suggestions. You can get the manual from the Apple web site if you really need one. You have to select a SCSI ID for the Powerbook - I forget the name of the control panel for this (?PB Setup maybe). The PB has to be last if you have a SCSI chain. Shut both machines down and connect the cable. Turn PB on first - this is just the old rule that external SCSI drives had to be turned on before the main computer. Then boot desktop machine. The PB should now appear as an external disk on the desktop of the desktop. By making the PB the external SCSI drive your trackpad problem should make no difference. Just use the mouse on the desktop Mac to move the files over. When you're done, turn off the desktop first. Cathy  Signature"there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel C.Stevenson, M.D. cats1921@invalidsonic.net > You can get the manual from the Apple web site if you really need one. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cathy Thanks, Cathy - gosh, I haven't had to deal with SCSI device numbers and internal/external terminators in ages. The trackball (this was way before the trackpad era) could be an issue if I have to change a setting in a control panel before going up as a SCSI disk. I've set it before, but I have no idea what it's set to - if I'm lucky, there's no conflict with anything else in the chain. There's also another external hard drive in between, just because I need it to get the right physical SCSI connection. But that shouldn't make any difference. I haven't used the laptop in so long - batteries didn't last long back then, but running system 7.1 was about as stable as it gets. Imagine paying $2200 for 12 Mb of memory, an 80 Mb hard drive, no CD drive, and an 8 inch color screen! Nicholas In article <AH0ue.345254$cg1.250580@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Darrell Jefress <evely7@tokyo.com> wrote: > > You can get the manual from the Apple web site if you really need one. > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Nicholas I can't remember how OS 7.X works, but you can probably move the screen image by using the PageUp and PageDown keys. You can then get the control panel in a position where you only have to move horizontally with the trackball. Cathy Signature"there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel C.Stevenson, M.D. cats1921@invalidsonic.net On 6/21/05 11:45 PM, in article 210620051445324726%cats1921@invalidsonic.net, "Cathy Stevenson" <cats1921@invalidsonic.net> wrote: > In article > <hGWte.344328$cg1.156485@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Darrell [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Cathy Make sure you dont forget to switch the physical switch on the pb end of the cable to on. Do this before you start the pb. There should be already the scsi number 2 assigned, and the scsi symbol with the scsi number will move across the screen of your 180 c. ej > Make sure you dont forget to switch the physical switch on the pb end of the > cable to on. Say again, Eric? I must have misunderstood - there's no physical switch on the cable itself. Can you clarify what switch you're referring to? Thanks. Nicholas >> Make sure you dont forget to switch the physical switch on the pb end of > the >> cable to on. > Say again, Eric? I must have misunderstood - there's no physical switch on > the cable itself. Can you clarify what switch you're referring to? Thanks. > Nicholas Eric may be thinking of the adapters made by some third parties that included a switch so they could be used for attaching SCSI drives to a PB or for SCSI target mode. The Apple adapters were separate for the two modes and do not have a switch. Joe On 6/24/05 5:53 AM, in article 42bb83ab@news-1.oit.umass.edu, "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu> wrote: > Eric may be thinking of the adapters made by some third parties that > included a switch so they could be used for attaching SCSI drives to > a PB or for SCSI target mode. The Apple adapters were separate for > the two modes and do not have a switch. No. There are two. One without to connect scsi devices, and one with for connecting the computer via scsi disk mode. Given that HDI 30 was proprietary, there were no 3rd party options, afaict. And I have all sorts of scsi cables and equipment. ej > Given that HDI 30 was proprietary, there were no 3rd party options, afaict. there were many third party options of varying quality. > And I have all sorts of scsi cables and equipment. apparently not as much as you think. On 6/25/05 12:54 PM, in article 250620050354026565%nospam@nospam.invalid, >> Given that HDI 30 was proprietary, there were no 3rd party options, afaict. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > apparently not as much as you think. Indeed. My bad. ej > On 6/24/05 5:53 AM, in article 42bb83ab@news-1.oit.umass.edu, "Joe Heimann" > <heimann@ecs.umass.edu> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Given that HDI 30 was proprietary, there were no 3rd party options, afaict. > And I have all sorts of scsi cables and equipment. You are simply wrong. Maybe you should check out David Pogue's book (e.g.) to confirm your error. You seem not to believe other posters. APS made an adaptor ("SCSI Doc") for the HDI-30 system cable- it enabled a cable to serve as either a SCSI DISK Mode cable or a SCSI system cable. Cathy Signature"there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel C.Stevenson, M.D. cats1921@invalidsonic.net On 6/25/05 7:23 PM, in article 250620051023512382%cats1921@invalidsonic.net, >> On 6/24/05 5:53 AM, in article 42bb83ab@news-1.oit.umass.edu, "Joe Heimann" >> <heimann@ecs.umass.edu> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cathy See previous. Then only choices presented me at the apple stores of the time were the hdi-30 cables with a switch. I had to buy 2 as 1 went bad. ej On 6/23/05 10:19 PM, in article iPEue.351560$cg1.103654@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Darrell Jefress" <evely7@tokyo.com> wrote: >> Make sure you dont forget to switch the physical switch on the pb end of > the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nicholas Then you have the wrong cable. The cable with no switch is to connect scsi devices to your computer. The one with the switch enables the scsi disk mode. ej > > Say again, Eric? I must have misunderstood - there's no physical switch on > > the cable itself. Can you clarify what switch you're referring to? Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The one with the switch enables the scsi disk mode. false. apple made two cables, the only difference is the scsi slave cable had the 30th pin grounded so the computer knew to boot in slave mode. third parties made adapters that had a switch that grounded that pin so that one did not need to purchase two seperate cables. if the mac boots with a scsi symbol when the cable is attached, then it is the correct cable. > On 6/23/05 10:19 PM, in article > iPEue.351560$cg1.103654@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Darrell > Jefress" <evely7@tokyo.com> wrote: > > Say again, Eric? I must have misunderstood - there's no physical switch on > > the cable itself. Can you clarify what switch you're referring to? Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ej I'm sorry that my question seems to have created so much contention and ill feeling in this thread - that wasn't my intent. But although it's been several years, I know I used that cable to boot by PB in SCSI disk mode. In the end, it turned out to all be for naught - a couple days ago, the hard drive decided to say "sayonara", just as I was trying to boot it up to transfew my old files. So thanks to everyone who helped. Nicholas |
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