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Mac Forum / General / Portable Macs / April 2005Wallstreet screens goes dark during OS10 install
I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. When I boot from the CD (holding the C key down), first I get an old-style happy mac, then the machine reboots itself and the OS X screen comes up. Seems odd that it starts in OS 9 and then restarts, but maybe that's no big deal. The real problem comes after the OS X screen appears. Before the first install window appears on the screen, the screen goes very dark. At first I thought the screen was dead or the machine had stopped, but then I notice I can just barely see the rectangle of the install window as a slightly lighter area. The machine is definitely running and prepared to continue with the installation, but I can't see the prompts. The screen brightness is fine up until this point, so it seems not to be a hardware problem with the screen. I reset PRAM but no joy there. I'd sure appreciate any advice or explanations! Thanks to all, Prospero "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." > - Bertrand Russell how much memory do you have installed. There is a problem with too much. You might want to try to use 256MB and after complete installation, put the additional memory back in. Karl. > > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > I'd sure appreciate any advice or explanations! > how much memory do you have installed. There is a problem with too much. > You might want to try to use 256MB and after complete installation, put > the additional memory back in. Wow, that seems pretty counterintuitive! But I tried it anyway, but no luck: just made the run-up to screen-going-dark take about twice as long! Very open to further suggestions... Thanks to all, Prospero "I refused to attend his funeral but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." -- Mark Twain > > > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Very open to further suggestions... 1. Have you checked the archives here? After OS X 10.2 came out, there was a fair bit of talk among Wallstreet owners about installing it, problems, etc. 2. Does the WS require XPostfacto to install OS X? Not being an owner, I cannot recall. If it does require XPostfacto, are you using it? 3. I do know that the WS is of the generation which requires that OS X reside inside the first 8BG of HD space. This is typically achieved by re-formatting the internal disk into a 7.8GB space (to guarantee that everything is inside 8GB) and the rest. OS X is installed on the former, whatever else you want on the latter. Sorry if you've done/thought of these already, it's not obvious from the above, and I don't have the original post in front of me.  SignatureLater. johajohn@indianahoosiers.edu Let 'indiana' be a 'noln', and 'hoosiers' be a 'solkk'. Leave only the 'noln' and .edu after the @ to reply . > > > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > "I refused to attend his funeral but I sent a nice letter saying I > approved of it." -- Mark Twain There are still a few things to try. First is probably to adjust the amount of RAM you have installed. I had seen the same problem with both 256 Meg and 512 Meg installed, and had to fall back to 128 Meg. I've seen postings that suggest setting the boot process to use only 96 Meg helps, especially with Panther. Second is to reset your PMU and PRAM. Simply rebooting into OS 9 and then back to booting off the Install CD fixes the problem for some, but resetting the PMU should also help. Another possible solution is to get enough light to the screen to complete the install and see what happens. I had a Blue and White G3 that had almost unusable video until I installed and brought it up to date, at which point it worked fine. There are some problems with the ATI Rage Pro driver on the 10.2 install CD, common to both the Blue and White G3, and the Wallstreet. rus > > how much memory do you have installed. There is a problem with too much. > > You might want to try to use 256MB and after complete installation, put [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Very open to further suggestions... You might take another look at the RAM issue. There's a big problem with 10.2 and bad/incompatible RAM. Had the same problem with iMac 233 and a Wallstreet I. The problem went away after removing the offending DIMM card. Two 128MB sticks might work better than a single 256. Also, you didn't say if you had a WS I or II. The WS I models came in 250 & 300MHz. There's something quirky about this model. (They have 83MHz bus as opposed to the 66MHz bus on the WSII's.) On my WSI, putting a 256MB stick back in after installation was very bad. The machine kept crashing. BTW, the memory problems on my iMac disappeared when Panther came along. My Wallstreet is still suck in 10.2.8. Too bad. Richard > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > > When I boot from the CD (holding the C key down), first I get an > old-style happy mac, then the machine reboots itself and the OS X screen > comes up. Seems odd that it starts in OS 9 and then restarts, but maybe > that's no big deal. That's normal. > The real problem comes after the OS X screen appears. Before the first > install window appears on the screen, the screen goes very dark. At [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The screen brightness is fine up until this point, so it seems not to be > a hardware problem with the screen. It's a standard problem with WallStreets. Happens other times too. The Fix is simple. Restart into OS 9. Put the machine to sleep. Wake it up. Restart into OS X (run the installer.) It may hang when you try to use the OS 9 Startup Disk cp. That is normal too (goofy but normal). Restart and try again. > I reset PRAM but no joy there. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." > - Bertrand Russell I think. It should have ended with ", I think.". SignatureClark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" > > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's normal. ... > It's a standard problem with WallStreets. Happens other times too. The > Fix is simple. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It may hang when you try to use the OS 9 Startup Disk cp. That is > normal too (goofy but normal). Restart and try again. Thanks very much; that did the trick. Other folks who suggested stuff with the RAM and PMU etc: thanks also for your advice; I tried those things but they had no effect. Restarting into 9 and running the X installer from there did the trick. > > "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are > > always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." > > - Bertrand Russell > > I think. It should have ended with ", I think.". Indeed! Thanks to all, Prospero Don't pay any attention to the critics--don't even ignore them. -- Samuel Goldwyn > > > I'm trying to reinstall OS 10.2 from CD onto my old Wallstreet. > > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Don't pay any attention to the critics--don't even ignore them. > -- Samuel Goldwyn just a followup on the RAM: try to run Disk Utility and repair permission: if you have too much RAM, the "video processor" will eventually go havoc. (at least on mine) Karl. |
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