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Hi folks, Another MacWorld Expo has come and gone with no new laptop advances announced (not that anyone was expecting one). But I find it notable that I can't remember the last time it took Apple so long to get a new advanced chip into its line of laptop offerings. When g3 came out, it soon made it into the PB line. When g4 came out, ditto. g5 is taking forever, wouldn't you say? Not that I'm complaining. I don't do anything so demanding or sophisticated. I'm quite happy for now with my iBook g4/933/640/10.3.7, hard to imagine exceeding its horsepower for at least a couple of years given the simple and routine things I do. But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its best technology into its laptop lines. -- Josh > But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its > best technology into its laptop lines. Heat and power consumption issues, most likely.  SignatureTim Irvin, ziggy29@mac.com "Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours...Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision." -- Tecumseh (1768-1813), Shawnee chief and statesman Joshua Steinberg: > Hi folks, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its > best technology into its laptop lines. Thermodynamics. My dual G5 alone is sufficient to heat the room it's in when it's rendering video. As soon as Apple figures out a way to cool the G5 you will see it in a PowerBook. And I'll be ordering mine the day it is announced! Davoud Signatureusenet *at* davidillig dawt com > Hi folks, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > soon made it into the PB line. When g4 came out, ditto. g5 is taking > forever, wouldn't you say? It was 17 months between the desktop and portable G4s. The G5 is taking longer than that, but we were told several months ago that this would be the case. > But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its > best technology into its laptop lines. Because it's hot, and making it not hot makes it big. G SignatureChange account to gw when responding by mail. > > Hi folks, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > G I think they should release a PowerBook G5. So what if its a little thicker than the current models? Better a little bigger than an antiquated processor. > > > Hi folks, > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > thicker than the current models? Better a little bigger than an > antiquated processor. "A little bigger" in this case meaning about the size of the first Mac portable. At 16lbs, etc. Not going to happen. > I think they should release a PowerBook G5. So what if its a little > thicker than the current models? Better a little bigger than an > antiquated processor. I don't think we're talking about two pounds heavier and a half inch thicker here. We're talking large enough that it's hard to really call it a "laptop" or a "notebook." Put one of those on your lap, and if the heat doesn't make you sterile, the crushing weight of the "portable" might. SignatureTim Irvin, ziggy29@mac.com "Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours...Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision." -- Tecumseh (1768-1813), Shawnee chief and statesman > Put one of those on your lap, and if the heat doesn't make you sterile, > the crushing weight of the "portable" might. I'm thinking more like, "mind if I smoke"? SignatureNobody knows Particle Man. >>I think they should release a PowerBook G5. So what if its a little >>thicker than the current models? Better a little bigger than an [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Put one of those on your lap, and if the heat doesn't make you sterile, > the crushing weight of the "portable" might. imagine a new iMac as a laptop..... "Tony Soprano": > I think they should release a PowerBook G5. So what if its a little > thicker than the current models? Better a little bigger than an > antiquated processor. Not sure you're getting the point. Apple hasn't released a G5 PowerBook because they _can't make one yet_ -- not because they want to keep you and me waiting. You may be assured, however, that Apple is endeavouring to make a G5PB and when they have a workable, marketable product -- one that doesn't require the user and bystanders to wear metallized, flame-proof clothing when the machine is in use -- they will release it for sale. Betcha I get mine before you get yours. Davoud Signatureusenet *at* davidillig dawt com > "Tony Soprano": > > I think they should release a PowerBook G5. So what if its a little [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not sure you're getting the point. Apple hasn't released a G5 PowerBook > because they _can't make one yet_ .... Yup. Remember that the G5 desktop is liquid-cooled. They'll release the laptop as soon as they perfect their gender-neutral catheter. SignatureTufty > Yup. Remember that the G5 desktop is liquid-cooled. They'll release > the laptop as soon as they perfect their gender-neutral catheter. Are the G5 iMacs liquid-cooled? SignatureDavid Magda <dmagda at ee.ryerson.ca>, http://www.magda.ca/ Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. -- Niccolo Machiavelli, _The Prince_, Chapter VI > > Yup. Remember that the G5 desktop is liquid-cooled. They'll release > > the laptop as soon as they perfect their gender-neutral catheter. > > Are the G5 iMacs liquid-cooled? No, theye're not -- but my insipid gag falls even flatter if I include that. :-( BTW, Hi to Ryerson. Great school. SignatureTufty -- > > Yup. Remember that the G5 desktop is liquid-cooled. They'll release > > the laptop as soon as they perfect their gender-neutral catheter. > > Are the G5 iMacs liquid-cooled? Only if the dog is not house trained. Bob Wilson > > > Hi folks, > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > thicker than the current models? Better a little bigger than an > antiquated processor. Who said "a little thicker?" I'm thinking Mac Portable. SignatureChange account to gw when responding by mail. > But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its > best technology into its laptop lines. Apple can't put in a chip that doesn't exist. A low-power G5 doesn't exist yet. SignatureNobody knows Particle Man. > Hi folks, > [...] [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its > best technology into its laptop lines. Check out the table halfway down at: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050114A7040.html HTH Greg from the net TLD, sonic domain, user gw+2 There is a character in the username that is illegal for email. > http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050114A7040.html Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? Signaturesoupnuts / Eric Bear Albrecht xxxxx \ at / W5VZB roastbusters / Echolink 118451 d-o-t----o-r-g / San Antonio NM > Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? The best I've found so far is the iLap from Rain Designs, available from OWC <http://www.macsales.com>. MacAlly's IcePad is, I'm sorry to say, not a very good design, especially for dissipating heat. >> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050114A7040.html > > Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. > Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? Make use of your USB ports. <http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5dee/> It isn't called a Fly Fan for no reason. Beverly SignatureMany a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer > Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. > Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? Put it on your application for Darwin Award? :-D SignatureNobody knows Particle Man. >> Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. >> Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? > Put it on your application for Darwin Award? :-D That only works if you don't have any kids yet. SignatureDave Seaman Judge Yohn's mistakes revealed in Mumia Abu-Jamal ruling. <http://www.commoncouragepress.com/index.cfm?action=book&bookid=228> > >> Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. > >> Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? > > > Put it on your application for Darwin Award? :-D > > That only works if you don't have any kids yet. It's still partially effective if you would have had more kids at some point. SignatureTom "Tom" Harrington Macaroni, Automated System Maintenance for Mac OS X. Version 2.0: Delocalize, Repair Permissions, lots more. See http://www.atomicbird.com/ >> >> Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. >> >> Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It's still partially effective if you would have had more kids at some > point. Probably more effective if one purchases G5 laptops for the family. Cheaper by the dozen? SignatureMany a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer > >> Very innersting. G5 lapscorchers by 2nd quarter 05. > >> Since you can't get asbestos pants nowadays, what do you recommend? > > > Put it on your application for Darwin Award? :-D > > That only works if you don't have any kids yet. The PowerBook ZPG5? > Hi folks, > Another MacWorld Expo has come and gone with no new laptop advances > announced (not that anyone was expecting one). But I find it notable > that I can't remember the last time it took Apple so long to get a new > advanced chip into its line of laptop offerings. When g3 came out, it > soon made it into the PB line. When g4 came out, ditto. g5 is taking > forever, wouldn't you say? > Not that I'm complaining. I don't do anything so demanding or > sophisticated. I'm quite happy for now with my iBook g4/933/640/10.3.7, > hard to imagine exceeding its horsepower for at least a couple of years > given the simple and routine things I do. > But I am curious about why Apple is having such a delay getting its > best technology into its laptop lines. > -- Josh Others have given good answers, but basically your memory looking back is a bit distorted. The first PB with a G3 was announced a month after the Beige G3 desktop models. They still did not ship for months. That PB model had the advantage that the G3 was designed from the start to be a low power CPU. Originally Apple was going to use a later model chip based on the 604e in their high end desktops, but the performance of the G3 was better than expected. When the G4 desktops came out, it was about a year and a half before PB G4's were announced. The G4 was not designed from the start for low power. Now, the G5 definitely was not designed for low power, so it is taking even longer. Apple even said nearly a year ago that PB G5's could not be expected until the second half of 2005 at the earliest. Joe > Apple even said nearly a year ago that PB G5's could not be expected > until the second half of 2005 at the earliest. Sure about that? I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that I've tried to pay attention to this kind of thing and I don't remember that announcement. I know that in 2004 they basically said (a) "It's not coming anytime soon folks, so don't hold your breath", and (b) "It's DEFINITELY not coming for Christmas 2004". I don't recall the second-half 2005 part. SignatureTom "Tom" Harrington Macaroni, Automated System Maintenance for Mac OS X. Version 2.0: Delocalize, Repair Permissions, lots more. See http://www.atomicbird.com/ >> Apple even said nearly a year ago that PB G5's could not be expected >> until the second half of 2005 at the earliest. > Sure about that? I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that I've tried > to pay attention to this kind of thing and I don't remember that > announcement. I know that in 2004 they basically said (a) "It's not > coming anytime soon folks, so don't hold your breath", and (b) "It's > DEFINITELY not coming for Christmas 2004". I don't recall the > second-half 2005 part. Back in April 2004, the Apple VP in charge of hardware, Joswiak, said that it would probably take about 2 years from the introduction of the G5 in desktops to its use in a notebook computer. Similar to the time between desktop use of the G4 and the PowerBook G4 coming out. It was one of the commentaries on that statement that put the H2 on when a PB G5 could be expected, since it was August 2003 when Powermac G5's started to ship. That might mean a late second quarter announcement of the PB G5 in June, with shipments a month or two later. It all is speculation anyways, until an official announcement. But given the practical matters of power consumption and heat dissipation connected with the G5 processor, that still sounds like a doable timeframe. And, they will need to be able to put out a G5 model at higher clockrate than the current 1.5 GHz G4 to maintain a performance edge. Joe > Back in April 2004, the Apple VP in charge of hardware, Joswiak, said > that it would probably take about 2 years from the introduction of the > G5 in desktops to its use in a notebook computer. Similar to the time > between desktop use of the G4 and the PowerBook G4 coming out. his recollection of desktop to powerbook g4 timeframe is not at all accurate. the g4 tower was announced in september 1999 and the g4 laptop was in january 2001 - only 16 months between the two. since his claim of two years for the g4 is wrong, it casts doubt on anything else he may say regarding time frames. speaking of, where is the 3ghz g5 tower that was promised in one year? > It was > one of the commentaries on that statement that put the H2 on when a PB > G5 could be expected, since it was August 2003 when Powermac G5's > started to ship. in other words, not an official statement. > That might mean a late second quarter announcement > of the PB G5 in June, with shipments a month or two later. It all is > speculation anyways, until an official announcement. right. it is all speculation. > But given the > practical matters of power consumption and heat dissipation connected > with the G5 processor, that still sounds like a doable timeframe. And, > they will need to be able to put out a G5 model at higher clockrate > than the current 1.5 GHz G4 to maintain a performance edge. about to be speedbumped. >> Back in April 2004, the Apple VP in charge of hardware, Joswiak, said >> that it would probably take about 2 years from the introduction of the >> G5 in desktops to its use in a notebook computer. Similar to the time >> between desktop use of the G4 and the PowerBook G4 coming out. > his recollection of desktop to powerbook g4 timeframe is not at all > accurate. the g4 tower was announced in september 1999 and the g4 > laptop was in january 2001 - only 16 months between the two. It was probably the clearest statement Joswiak was allowed to make on what the time frame for seeing PB G5's was. Back in April rumors were already going the rounds of one coming out in the Fall or January. If left out there unanswered, PB G4 sales would probably have slowed a long time before a G5 replacement was ready for sale. Apple normally would not have allowed any similar comments, and notice they have not made any more explicit statements on the PB G5 since then. In any case the approximately 2 year figure is what he said back in April. > since his claim of two years for the g4 is wrong, it casts doubt on > anything else he may say regarding time frames. speaking of, where is > the 3ghz g5 tower that was promised in one year? >> It was >> one of the commentaries on that statement that put the H2 on when a PB >> G5 could be expected, since it was August 2003 when Powermac G5's >> started to ship. > in other words, not an official statement. >> That might mean a late second quarter announcement >> of the PB G5 in June, with shipments a month or two later. It all is >> speculation anyways, until an official announcement. > right. it is all speculation. >> But given the >> practical matters of power consumption and heat dissipation connected >> with the G5 processor, that still sounds like a doable timeframe. And, >> they will need to be able to put out a G5 model at higher clockrate >> than the current 1.5 GHz G4 to maintain a performance edge. > about to be speedbumped. |
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