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Mac Forum / General / Portable Macs / September 2004Ti PB G4, Panther, & Classic
Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe the hard drive clean first. If I install from the Ti discs, it directs me to install OS 9 and Apps after completing the OS X Jaguar install. After that install, I then have OS X 10.2.3 and OS 9.2.1 installed. Now if I do an upgrade to Panther, should I run the installer for Classic and apps? Or is that already done with my install from the Ti discs? I'm confused. Thanks.  SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com > Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe > the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Classic and apps? Or is that already done with my install from the Ti > discs? I'm confused. Already done, the upgrade to 10.3 won't affect the Classic installation, although it will probably tweak some resources the first time you start up Classic under Panther. Works fine. > > Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe > > the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Works fine. I think I understand.... So, after installing Panther (upgrading the OS X that came with my Ti) and it restarts, it then starts another installer for Classic. I gather at that point, I do not, and should not, run that installer. Correct? Thanks. SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com > > > Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe > > > the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > and it restarts, it then starts another installer for Classic. I gather > at that point, I do not, and should not, run that installer. Correct? Not in my experience. Upgrade (or "archive and install", if the option presents itself) OS X, then restart the machine. It won't offer to install Classic. When you first run Classic after this, the system will tell you that some resources need to be updated, it does it, and you're on. >>>> Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe >>>> the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > When you first run Classic after this, the system will tell you that > some resources need to be updated, it does it, and you're on. But why do it that way? Why not install the Panther first for a clean install then just install the additional applications. I've done it both ways and both work but the clean install is always the way to go if you can. I don't see any point in the Jaguar install if your planning to install Panther and want to install clean. You can install OS 9 and the other additional applications straight from the clean Panther install just as easily as you can to the Jaguar. > >>>> Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe > >>>> the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > other additional applications straight from the clean Panther install > just as easily as you can to the Jaguar. Sorry, I understood that the machine already had had jaguar installed... Hello John > >>>> Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe > >>>> the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > other additional applications straight from the clean Panther install > just as easily as you can to the Jaguar. because Classic is not included on the Retail Panther CDs. It's only included with the CDs/DVDs that come with a new Mac. Cheers Andreas SignatureMacAndreas Rutishauser, <http://www.MacAndreas.ch> EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung <mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 01 / 721 36 47 > Hello John > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Cheers > Andreas I know, I have a Ti also. When Panther came out I installed it over Jaguar. Later I wiped the drive and installed Panther clean then used the disks that came with the Ti and installed OS 9, Graphic Converter and some other programs off them. But just because you want them doesn't mean you need to install Jaguar. There should be a folder on the disk that came with the Ti called additional programs, other programs or something like that. I don't remember off the top of my head. You can install them as easily directly into Panther as Jaguar. Nothing will prompt you for them, in fact I didn't realize they were not installed for several days and had to figure out how to do it. If you want to wipe the drive installing Jaguar is an unnecessary step. > I know, I have a Ti also. When Panther came out I installed it over > Jaguar. Later I wiped the drive and installed Panther clean then used the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and had to figure out how to do it. If you want to wipe the drive > installing Jaguar is an unnecessary step. OP back. I know next to nothing about firmare and ROM but.... Are there any issues re: those "things" and installing Panther from a new retail version and OS 9 from my PB G4 Ti discs? My plan having read the responses here (thanks for the help) is to: 1. Boot from Panther retail install discs. wipe the HD clean 2. install Panther 3. install OS 9 from my Ti discs (if my memory is correct I don't boot from those discs when I do the OS 9 install?) 4. Install Apps 5. Transfer (probably drag copy) docs from my other Mac to User/Documents folder. Cross fingers. ;) And I'm assuming that the Panther install on the Ti will update the firmware if it is required. Thanks for any tips. Appreciate. SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com >> I know, I have a Ti also. When Panther came out I installed it over >> Jaguar. Later I wiped the drive and installed Panther clean then used the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Thanks for any tips. Appreciate. I don't see how it could affect firmware. [snip] > > OP back. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > Cross fingers. ;) This sounds like a good plan, and I don't see anything here that might cause problems (assuming that you've got backups!). Go for it, I say. SignatureLater. johajohn@indianahoosiers.edu 'indiana' is a noun. Leave only the noun and .edu after the @ to reply Pismo: 2000-2004 RIP 15" AlBook: 2004-The PowerBook is dead! Long live the PowerBook! I've never done a clean install from retail Panther CDs, but some versions that ship with the new machines include a program for migrating your settings over from an old machine. It'll move users and applications as well as documents. --jon >> I know, I have a Ti also. When Panther came out I installed it over >> Jaguar. Later I wiped the drive and installed Panther clean then used the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Thanks for any tips. Appreciate. > I know, I have a Ti also. When Panther came out I installed it over > Jaguar. Later I wiped the drive and installed Panther clean then used the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and had to figure out how to do it. If you want to wipe the drive > installing Jaguar is an unnecessary step. OP back. Decided to do a test install of just OS 9 from my PB G4 Ti disc "Software Install and Restore." I remembered that installing OS 9 was done after the restart following the OS X Jaguar installation so in that case the Ti wasn't booted from the install disc but from the installed Jaguar. So I just inserted the Ti disc and clicked on the icon to install OS 9 and Apps. Well no go. It showed all my partitions, those with OS X and those without any OS as not being able to take this install. Does that make sense to Ti owners? From that I'm concluding the only way to install OS 9 from the Ti discs is to do a complete install of OS X Jaguar and then OS 9 and then either Upgrade or A & I Panther. And that I can't install just OS 9 from these discs onto the Ti. Thanks for any input on this. SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com > So I just inserted the Ti disc and clicked on the icon to install OS 9 > and Apps. Well no go. It showed all my partitions, those with OS X and > those without any OS as not being able to take this install. Did you at some point repartition the disk? If so, when you did, did you neglect to install the OS 9 drivers? m. Signaturematt neuburg, phd = matt@tidbits.com, http://www.tidbits.com/matt/ AppleScript: The Definitive Guide http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005571/somethingsbymatt Read TidBITS! It's free and smart. http://www.tidbits.com > > So I just inserted the Ti disc and clicked on the icon to install OS 9 > > and Apps. Well no go. It showed all my partitions, those with OS X and > > those without any OS as not being able to take this install. > > Did you at some point repartition the disk? If so, when you did, did you > neglect to install the OS 9 drivers? m. I did partition originally. As mentioned I'm trying to install in one of the other partitions other than the one with the original Jaguar and OS 9 install. And I "think" I installed the OS 9 drivers on all partitions but that is past my memory window ;) so if I remember how I'll try that. However, I would think I could install OS 9 again on the partition where it is already installed and that one also has the red "no" mark. Thanks. SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com > I > would think I could install OS 9 again on the partition where it is > already installed I wouldn't. You can't have two copies of the same system on the same partition. If I'd known you already had OS 9 on this machine I'd have answered differently. In fact if you already have OS 9 on this machine then I don't understand why you are trying to install it again. Sorry for the false lead. m. Signaturematt neuburg, phd = matt@tidbits.com, http://www.tidbits.com/matt/ AppleScript: The Definitive Guide http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005571/somethingsbymatt Read TidBITS! It's free and smart. http://www.tidbits.com > > I > > would think I could install OS 9 again on the partition where it is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > then I don't understand why you are trying to install it again. Sorry > for the false lead. m. Thanks. Not a false lead at all, a reasonable thing for me to check. I've found out just now that Ti disc with OS 9 will let me install only on the partition with Jaguar. While waiting for my copy of Panther to arrive, I installed Panther from my PB Al disc on a partition for a test drive. But if I boot into that partition, it will not let me install OS 9. So this no expert at all's sconclusion is: That it is blocking me from installing on the Panther partition because that version of Panther came from the Al and it will work with my retail version that arrives today, or I will have to install Classic with Panther by first installing Jaguar then OS 9 (both from Ti discs) and then upgrading or A & I with retail Panther. Thanks for the help. SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com >> I know, I have a Ti also. When Panther came out I installed it over >> Jaguar. Later I wiped the drive and installed Panther clean then used the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Thanks for any input on this. That is not the case. I did a destructive completely clean install of Panther and installed OS 9 on it from the Ti disks. No prior thought of installing OS 9. I didn't install any partitions and then realized I never installed it and went back and just installed OS 9. Here are some references to read. There is a difference whether your restore disks are bootable or not. How to use restore disks to install OS 9 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86153 Using restore disks with Mac OS X 10.2 or higher http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=42929 Mac OS X 10.3 installation FAQ http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25735#faq9 > > OP back. > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Mac OS X 10.3 installation FAQ > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25735#faq9 OP here. Thanks. I'll check out the references. FWIW, I've done some more testing and.... if I boot from OS X Jaguar that came with the Ti then if I insert the Ti disc and launch the OS 9 and Apps installer, it will let me install OS 9 on the partition with Jaguar. if I boot from OS X Panther that I installed from my PB G4 Al discs and then insert the Ti disc and launch the OS 9 installer, it won't let me install on any partitions (the Jaguar, the Panther or the all docs partitions). I just received my retail version of Panther (I thought using the Al discs would violate the Apple license) but I haven't checked yet to see if I can install OS 9 after installing that Panther. Appreciate the help. SignaturePlease send email to: nwhiii at yahoo dot com > Trying to configure my TI PB G4 with Panther and OS 9. I want to wipe > the hard drive clean first. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Classic and apps? Or is that already done with my install from the Ti > discs? I'm confused. The Best way to go. 1) Get an OS9 CD and put it in the machine - press C as it boots - If you can boot off the OS9 CD, navigate the CD and get to the Drive Setup program - format the drive into 2 partitions - same size or give a bit more space to whatever OS you will use most. Format it as 2 HFS+ partitions. Then install OS9, update to latest version. Then install OSX on the other partition - not the one OS9 is on - then you can boot up as you wish, and if your OSX gets hosed you can boot in OS9, and vice Versa. |
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