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MIDI interface and audio options for Powerbook (or iBook)

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Hallvard Tangeraas - 09 May 2004 12:42 GMT
I'm considering buying a Powerbook G4 (the 15" with the Superdrive
looks like the most attractive option for me right now) or an iBook if
I decide to go for a budget option.

Anyway, the main uses will be Mini-DV video editing and audio/MIDI.

I don't know much about the audio/MIDI part,so I could need some help
here...

1) I currently use an Atari ST for MIDI sequencing and feel no need to
change platforms for that as it works really well.
I do however need something for AUDIO recording, and that's where the
Mac comes in. Also for additional music stuff like acting as a
playback sampler if possible (my external sampler has limited memory
and using the Mac for an extra sampler would be great!).
In any case I need a MIDI interface for synchronizing the audio
recording (multitrack, as I have a limited amount of music gear,
making it hard to do everything "live", recording it in stereo in one
go). Will any simple MIDI interface do, such as this one (Yamaha
UX-96) which I can buy here in Japan where I'm right now:

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/ux96/index.html

2) Do I need any additional audio input/output device for the Mac, or
can IU use what's built in? I believe the Powerbook G4 has audio
in/out -if this is the case, is it good enough, or do I need an audio
interface such as this one (Yamaha UW-10) which I can also buy in
Japan:

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/syndtm/p/dtm/uw10/index.html

3) I have no idea which program I'm going to use for my music
recordings, but are these devices software independant meaning I can
use any audio recording program, or does each program support only
specific interfaces?
By the way, which audio program would you recommend that won't cost an
arm and a leg, and would I need any additional hard drive etc. to be
able to use it properly? I'm a hobby musician, but serious at that,
with several external synthesizers, samplers etc. needing something
that would work properly.

Hallvard
Geoffrey - 11 May 2004 12:43 GMT
> I'm considering buying a Powerbook G4 (the 15" with the Superdrive
> looks like the most attractive option for me right now) or an iBook if
> I decide to go for a budget option.

> 1) ... In any case I need a MIDI interface for synchronizing the audio
> recording (multitrack, as I have a limited amount of music gear,
> making it hard to do everything "live", recording it in stereo in one
> go). Will any simple MIDI interface do?

I suggest you look at some of the Roland (Edirol) units, they are much
better, and you can get ones that handle both audio and MIDI together.

Of course, if you want to do it properly, then you should look at the
somewhat expensive M-Audio FireWire audio-plus-MIDI interface.

(Frankly, audio down USB sucketh)

> 2) Do I need any additional audio input/output device for the Mac, or
> can IU use what's built in?

If you want good sound quality for recording and production, then the
onboard stuff isn't up to snuff.

> 3) I have no idea which program I'm going to use for my music
> recordings, but are these devices software independant meaning I can
> use any audio recording program, or does each program support only
> specific interfaces?

No, most big-name audio production suites (such as Cubase or Logic) are
device independent.

> By the way, which audio program would you recommend that won't cost an
> arm and a leg ...

New Macs come with iLife 04, which includes GarageBand. Its no Cubase,
but is plenty powerful.

Alternatively, visit the eMagic website and look at their Logic 6
packages, specifically the ones which come with a pretty good MIDI /
audio interface.

> ... would I need any additional hard drive etc. to be
> able to use it properly?

Lots and lots of gigs! 30 GB would be my absolute minimum.

Geoffrey

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Hallvard Tangeraas - 23 May 2004 18:55 GMT
> > I'm considering buying a Powerbook G4 (the 15" with the Superdrive
> > looks like the most attractive option for me right now) or an iBook if
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> (Frankly, audio down USB sucketh)

Please explain this. Is sound quality worse, or are there other
problems involved?

I see that most audio interfaces are USB -is this because they're
cheaper to make than Firewire ones? And they're "good enough" for the
consumer group, while pros will hear the difference?

Hallvard
Joakim Wendel - 23 May 2004 19:18 GMT
> > > I'm considering buying a Powerbook G4 (the 15" with the Superdrive
> > > looks like the most attractive option for me right now) or an iBook if
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> Hallvard

After checking around i saw that the M-audio 410 firewire thingy seems
almost unusable (sorry to say as i expected to buy one).
The EMI 6|2 does NOT suck even if USB on the other hand.
Get a lot of input about things before you follow advice and buy audio
for mac as not much is as safe as it sounds!
One of many places to check is http://www.osxaudio.com/
g'luck
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Hallvard Tangeraas - 26 May 2004 05:17 GMT
> After checking around i saw that the M-audio 410 firewire thingy seems
> almost unusable (sorry to say as i expected to buy one).

What kind of problems or disadvantages are we talking about
specifically?

> The EMI 6|2 does NOT suck even if USB on the other hand.
> Get a lot of input about things before you follow advice and buy audio
> for mac as not much is as safe as it sounds!
> One of many places to check is http://www.osxaudio.com/
> g'luck

I have no idea about these interfaces, so please tell me what to look
out for when choosing one.

Hallvard
Joakim Wendel - 26 May 2004 07:15 GMT
> > After checking around i saw that the M-audio 410 firewire thingy seems
> > almost unusable (sorry to say as i expected to buy one).
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> Hallvard

As i mentioned i have not used the M-audio 410 myself, but if You would
check out the comments on it at
http://www.osxaudio.com/index.php?story=577

A friend of mine has used it for a while and he thought that the crashes
were due to Cubase and not the hardware - now thinking of giving the 410
back to the store.

Problems are 1) Crashes 2) Latency 3) Had a problem with magically
disappearing as sound card but seems fixed with latest driver?

The USB product i mentioned (works well for me) is nowadays called A62m
http://www.emagic.de/products/hw/hw/index.php?lang=EN#AUDIO

Most importantly is not to listen to just my advice but to get adviced
by people who have used the products you are interested in for a longer
period of time.

Life is way too short to beta test audio/midi interfaces that you had to
pay full price for, they tend NOT to work when you need it the most.

ciao
Joakim
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