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How can I open files without saving a link? When I click on a file like adobe. Instead of opening it on my desktop like an Imac, my PowerBook puts a link on the desktop. How do I get too it with twenty projects open on my screen? How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them to my desktop? > How can I open files without saving a link? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > to my desktop? I don't understand what you mean.  SignatureSandman[.net] >> How can I open files without saving a link? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I don't understand what you mean. You don't understand ANYTHING. > >> How can I open files without saving a link? > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You don't understand ANYTHING. What did he mean? SignatureSandman[.net] > >> How can I open files without saving a link? > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You don't understand ANYTHING. I have seen many postings of "GoldTrade" lately, and I could only understand one of them; a question about how to delete programs (I told him to drag them into the trash). SignatureAndrew J. Brehm Fan of Woody Allen PowerPC User Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza > >> How can I open files without saving a link? > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You don't understand ANYTHING. Ok enlightened one. You explain what he meant then. SignatureRegards, JP "The measure of a man is what he will do while expecting that he will get nothing in return!" >> >> How can I open files without saving a link? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ok enlightened one. You explain what he meant then. May I hazzard a guess? When I read GoldTrade's final quoted sentence above, I immediately thought of the situation when I am browsing using Safari and I click a link which is a PDF file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and places it on my desktop. It then opens in Preview, but when I close Preview the file remains on the desktop. This may be what he meant, but given his evidently atrocious ability to explain himself clearly I think Sandman's response was quite reasonable. SignatureIan Gregory http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/ > How can I open files without saving a link? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > to my desktop? Somebody suggested this a while back. Create a folder somewhere and in the Safari preferences choose the folder as the download location. This way you will not clutter your desktop with downloaded files. This works for me. Ansari > How can I open files without saving a link? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > to my desktop? You can also set 'Open "Safe" files after downloading' so that they are opened automatically after download. This works for most of the files. Ansari > > How can I open files without saving a link? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ansari SignatureTo send email, remove the invalid and nospams. > How can I open files without saving a link? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > to my desktop? Do you mean files that are linked on web pages? Well, you have to download them to your computer one way or another. If you mean Adobe Acrobat files (pdf), then if you have Acrobat installed as a plugin to Safari, then you should be able to just click on it and see it. If you have Panther, there's a feature called Expose that you will find useful. F9, F10, and F11 cleverly rearrange the windows temporarily in different useful ways. One of them lets you see what's on the desktop. SignatureWoofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft Why does Windows have a left mouse button? > > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > > to my desktop? > > Do you mean files that are linked on web pages? Well, you have to > download them to your computer one way or another. I think he means downloaded files like pdf's or realplayer links are all over his desktop. I would say create a folder, call it "Downloads" or whatever and in Safari's general preferences, save your downloaded files there instead of your desktop. m-m >Andrew J. Brehm I have seen many postings " lately, and >I could only understand one of them; a question about >how to delete programs >(I told him to drag them into the trash). Thanks AB, in Windows we have to go through a big procedure to uninstall them before we delete them. There are settings and things to consider. Also, did you tell me how to go about finding all the parts of the application to stuff in the trash? You do not do any de-frag or anything, sounds very simplistic. Isn't there some kind of secure delete mode or something, or do you just neglect all of that? >Ian Gregory I click a link, which is a PDF >file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and >places it on my desktop. It then opens in Preview, but when >I close Preview the file remains on the desktop. You must understand that this does not happen in Windows. PDF or otherwise. We can open them in the browser with or without adobe toolbars. We close the window and it is gone. I do not want them on the desktop, I have no need for them in a folder. So to simplify, "How do you open up files(jpg's etc.), without having to save them? >Ansari Mohamed This way you will not clutter your desktop > with downloaded files. I do not want to clutter my hard drive with files I want to see, but have no reason at all to download. >Ansari Mohamed You can also set >'Open "Safe" files after downloading' so that >they are opened automatically after download. Ansari That might be it. How can I go about opening safe files BEFORE downloading to my disk? (In windows, they open in Ram without writing to disk). >Woofbert Do you mean files that are linked on web pages? Yes >Woofbert Well, you have to download them to your computer one way or another. Why, Windows holds them in Ram. Why does Apple have to write it to disk? >Woofbert If you mean Adobe Acrobat files (pdf), >then if you have Acrobat installed as a plugin >to Safari, then you should be able to just >click on it and see it. I will try that. IT seems to me it saves then down below to the desktop I never see instead of opening them in Internet Explorer. >Woofbert If you have Panther, there's a feature called >Expose that you will find useful. F9, F10, and F11 >cleverly, rearrange the windows temporarily in >different useful ways. One of them lets you >see what is on the desktop. Yes, it will move twenty windows out of the way and let me see the files I wanted are on the desktop, but everything snaps back before I can click on them. When I am trading the markets and I click on something in Windows, I see it instantly make a decision and move on. In Mac, the market has moved before I can even find it. Isn't there some way to make this platform useful for making instant decisions? >Andrew J. Brehm said: >>(I told him to drag them into the trash). > Thanks AB, in Windows we have to go through a big procedure to > uninstall them before we delete them. There are settings and things > to consider. Also, did you tell me how to go about finding all the > parts of the application to stuff in the trash? As I understand it (I'm not an Apple user) all the parts of the application live inside it. The icon you see is actually a directory containing all the various files needed to make the application work[1]. So yes, you really do just delete that icon and the program is gone, cleanly. > You do not do any de-frag or anything, sounds very simplistic. It is simplistic. It's designed to be easy to use. It does seem odd to someone used to Windows, but wouldn't Windows's way seem odd to someone not used to computers? "Why do I have to mess with all this stuff? Why can't I just delete the program?" > Isn't there some kind of secure delete mode or something, As in my other post, I don't understand why you want to securely delete old programs. That said, I believe there are "shredder" programs that could do that if you wanted to. >Ian Gregory said: >>I click a link, which is a PDF file. The download manager pops up, >>downloads the file, and places it on my desktop. It then opens in >>Preview, but when I close Preview the file remains on the desktop. > You must understand that this does not happen in Windows. PDF or > otherwise. We can open them in the browser with or without adobe > toolbars. We close the window and it is gone. I do not want them on > the desktop, I have no need for them in a folder. Yup, perfectly sensible. I'm a bit bemused by the people here who seem happy with downloading it and then viewing it. It ought to open within the Web browser, as it does on Windows and (if properly set up) Linux. I'm sure this is possible on the Mac; I don't know how, but you may find an option for it in the settings for your Web browser. >Woofbert said: >>Well, you have to download them to your computer one way or another. > Why, Windows holds them in Ram. Why does Apple have to write it to > disk? Actually, I'm fairly sure Windows writes them to disk, in a temporary file that it later deletes. But certainly, you don't want to see it on your desktop, or among "your" area of the filesystem. >Woofbert said: >>If you have Panther, there's a feature called Expose that you will find >>useful. F9, F10, and F11 cleverly, rearrange the windows temporarily in >>different useful ways. One of them lets you see what is on the desktop. > Yes, it will move twenty windows out of the way and let me see the > files I wanted are on the desktop, but everything snaps back before I > can click on them. I thought they stayed away until you pressed the key again. Or if you held it down at first rather than pressing, they came back as soon as you let go. Try either pressing the key very briefly, or holding it down until you've clicked on the file you want. Pete [1] This is the same way old RiscOS used to work. >>Ian Gregory I click a link, which is a PDF >>file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and >>places it on my desktop. It then opens in Preview, but when >>I close Preview the file remains on the desktop. Please learn to properly attribute quoted material. > You must understand that this does not happen in Windows. Aha - so I correctly deduced exactly what was frosting your shorts - uncanny powers of deduction or what! But you must understand that "this" does not happen in any OS, it happens in web browsers and browser plug-ins and is generally configurable. > I do not want them on the desktop, I have no need for them > in a folder. What, you mean like you don't need to save HTML email because you can just click on the link when you want to see it again? But wait - what if you have gone off-line? Doh! If you think Windows is so great then use Windows - and stop wasting our time trying to turn your Mac into a PC. SignatureIan Gregory http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/ > Thanks AB, in Windows we have to go through a big procedure to > uninstall them before we delete them. There are settings and things [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > there some kind of secure delete mode or something, or do you just > neglect all of that? There is a Secure Delete Mode in 10.3 and up. If you want to trash sensitive data you choose it from the menu. >>Ian Gregory I click a link, which is a PDF >>file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > toolbars. We close the window and it is gone. I do not want them on > the desktop, I have no need for them in a folder. In Windows or not you have to get a browser plugin if you want it to be rendered there. Here the same applies. > So to simplify, "How do you open up files(jpg's etc.), without having > to save them? You double click on them. They will open without saving as long as you use filesystem browser to access them. If you use Web browser they will open too (as long as the http server provides proper info on the type). In case of PDFs you need a plugin for your browser. > >Ansari Mohamed This way you will not clutter your desktop > >>with downloaded files. > > I do not want to clutter my hard drive with files I want to see, but > have no reason at all to download. In Windows you download and save too. Didn't you know that? It's only that it doesn't show on your desktop but rather in some deep nested subdirectories. > >Ansari Mohamed You can also set > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > downloading to my disk? (In windows, they open in Ram without writing > to disk). Check your Windows internet caches and temp files before stating that. Anyway the same (as in Windows) happens with a proper plugin for your web browser. > >Woofbert Do you mean files that are linked on web pages? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why, Windows holds them in Ram. Why does Apple have to write it to > disk? Check your Windows internet caches and temp files before stating that. >>Woofbert If you mean Adobe Acrobat files (pdf), >>then if you have Acrobat installed as a plugin [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > files I wanted are on the desktop, but everything snaps back before I > can click on them. Push it for only a brief moment. Do not hold it. > When I am trading the markets and I click on something in Windows, I > see it instantly make a decision and move on. In Mac, the market has > moved before I can even find it. > > Isn't there some way to make this platform useful for making instant > decisions? Quite rhetorical again, isn't it? Say what you (technically) want to achive and people will tell you how. > > I do not want to clutter my hard drive with files I want to see, but > > have no reason at all to download. > > In Windows you download and save too. Didn't you know that? It's only > that it doesn't show on your desktop but rather in some deep nested > subdirectories. And don't forget that Windows maintains a list of all your web browsing. This could be a security risk. I don't know if OS X does the same. SignaturePeter > And don't forget that Windows maintains a list of all your web browsing. No, it doesn't. Browsers, not operating systems, maintain history lists. All modern browsers on all major platforms do this in a similar manner, so Mozilla on Windows or Mac OS will be roughly as risky in this aspect as Internet Explorer on Windows or Mac OS. Not that Internet Explorer isn't a worm-riddled piece of trash, mind you. There are any number of legitimate reasons to hate it, but this isn't one of them. - -- Kirk Strauser The Strauser Group Open. Solutions. Simple. http://www.strausergroup.com/ >>And don't forget that Windows maintains a list of all your web browsing. > > No, it doesn't. Browsers, not operating systems, maintain history lists. Huh? Didn't I hear that one of them is the _INTEGRAL_ part of Windows somewhere? ;-) Not that Safari doesn't do the same though. Internet Explorer is integral to Windows and takes a lot of work to remove from the system. I've never done it, but I've read about it being done. Anyway, that's not the point. You don't HAVE to use IE for WEB BROWSING. It still needs to be there for some of the system browsing stuff, but not for web browsing. I use Mozilla on my Windows box almost exclusively. There are a few sites that don't play well with Mozilla, so I have to use IE. All the same, IE is still a browser in this sense, NOT the OS, and it is a web browser that saves your web history. Jason >>> And don't forget that Windows maintains a list of all your web browsing. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not that Safari doesn't do the same though. >> And don't forget that Windows maintains a list of all your web browsing. > No, it doesn't. Browsers, not operating systems, maintain history lists. True. But for most intents and purposes, IE is a part of Windows. Pete > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, it doesn't. Browsers, not operating systems, maintain history lists. > All modern browsers on all major platforms do this in a similar manner, But IE more than others, it would seem. http://www.windows-sucks.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml "Microsoft Internet Explorer has not been clearing your browsing history after you have instructed it to do so". SignaturePeter > > > I do not want to clutter my hard drive with files I want to see, but > > > have no reason at all to download. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I don't know if OS X does the same. Well, Safari does, but there's a nice top-level 'Clear History' item at the bottom of its History menu. There's also a 'Reset Safari' command in Safari's application menu, which wipes browsing history, download history, cookies and the cache. Signature"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences." -- George W. Bush on Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004 > Also, did you tell me how to go about finding all the > parts of the application to stuff in the trash? Typically, it is all contained in the Applications directory, sometimes it is just the program itself, sometimes it is a folder, but rarely does it escape beyond the Applications directory. > You do not do any de-frag or anything, sounds very simplistic. Isn't > there some kind of secure delete mode or something, or do you just > neglect all of that? Yeah, it's suprisingly simplistic. I thought the same thing the first time I searched for this and found the answer at macosxhints.com and previous newsgroup posts. >>Ian Gregory I click a link, which is a PDF >>file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > toolbars. We close the window and it is gone. I do not want them on > the desktop, I have no need for them in a folder. Yes, they do open in the browser under Windows, but this has to do with the plugin functionality of certain programs, such as Adobe Reader, and its ability to work with the browser. Talk to Adobe, etc. if you want this, or check out this third-party fix. http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/ (It's free for home use.) Anything beyond this, Word docs, etc., I don't know of a plugin for even Windows. > So to simplify, "How do you open up files(jpg's etc.), without having > to save them? JPEGs do open in a browser. > >Ansari Mohamed This way you will not clutter your desktop > >>with downloaded files. > > I do not want to clutter my hard drive with files I want to see, but > have no reason at all to download. You know, if you have a "Downloads" folder, you can go in and clear this out everyone once in a while (CMD-A followed by CMD-delete and a SHIFT-CMD-delete), and your desktop is not cluttered and your HDD space is recovered. > >Ansari Mohamed You can also set > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > downloading to my disk? (In windows, they open in Ram without writing > to disk). Wrong, they aren't saved into RAM in Windows-based web browsers. (Realize the difference between the OS and browser first.) They are actually saved into a Temp folder (aka Disk Cache). You can usually find these files named with random letters and numbers, and depending on the browser, with the same file extensions. > >Woofbert Do you mean files that are linked on web pages? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why, Windows holds them in Ram. Why does Apple have to write it to > disk? As I mentioned above, they are downloaded to your computer and periodically removed by the program (default is typically 7 days with Mozilla and IE, I believe). As I also mentioned above, you can repeat this via a manual delete. Not as clean and savvy as you might like, but write a script to do it. As a matter of fact, someone probably already has, do a search for it. >>Woofbert If you mean Adobe Acrobat files (pdf), >>then if you have Acrobat installed as a plugin [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > files I wanted are on the desktop, but everything snaps back before I > can click on them. Try F11, not F9, it clears everything, so the icons of the Desktop are what's available. Btw, hold down F11 while you click on the item of interest. > When I am trading the markets and I click on something in Windows, I > see it instantly make a decision and move on. In Mac, the market has > moved before I can even find it. > > Isn't there some way to make this platform useful for making instant > decisions? > Yes, they do open in the browser under Windows, but this has to do with > the plugin functionality of certain programs, such as Adobe Reader, and > its ability to work with the browser. Talk to Adobe, etc. if you want > this, or check out this third-party fix. > > http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/ I'm slightly concerned that this isn't the default, and in fact requires extra software. Sounds like I'm going to have some tweaking to do. > Anything beyond this, Word docs, etc., I don't know of a plugin for even > Windows. Word itself is the plugin. On quite a lot of Windows machines I've used (but not all of them) Word documents will open in the browser. Just as gv works as a plugin for PDF and PS on my Linux machine, as well as being a standalone viewer. Having a separate "plugin" program seems weird to me. Pete >>Yes, they do open in the browser under Windows, but this has to do with >>the plugin functionality of certain programs, such as Adobe Reader, and >>its ability to work with the browser. Talk to Adobe, etc. if you want >>this, or check out this third-party fix. >> >>http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/ I just did a quick search for it, downloaded it, and it seems to work quite well. At least with Safari. Haven't investigated it much beyond opening a file though. > I'm slightly concerned that this isn't the default, and in fact requires > extra software. Sounds like I'm going to have some tweaking to do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > as a plugin for PDF and PS on my Linux machine, as well as being a > standalone viewer. Having a separate "plugin" program seems weird to me. Sorry, I guess I should have checked IE on my Windows machine. I use Mozilla, and although it would probably work there as well, I don't have a problem with it opening up a new Word window, so I leave it be. > >Andrew J. Brehm I have seen many postings " lately, and > >I could only understand one of them; a question about [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > there some kind of secure delete mode or something, or do you just > neglect all of that? MacOSX doesn't neglect it, it just doesn't need it. Unless you are logged on as administrator or root, you don't have sufficient privileges to delete applications. > >Ian Gregory I click a link, which is a PDF > >file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Why, Windows holds them in Ram. Why does Apple have to write it to > disk? It doesn't. Internet Explorer will open Acrobat Reader directly from the web page if you set up preferences to use AR as a helper app to do that. Safari will open a PDF directly from the web in either Adobe Acrobat or the much faster Apple Preview application. Again, you have to set it up that way. Apple Mail client will allow you to open files for which your Mac owns the application directly without moving it out of the Mail window just by double-clicking the file icon on the page. If you receive a jpeg picture, it will show up in the mail message window already open, if you get a movie, you can, again, watch the movie without moving it out of the Window. When you're finished, and if you don't want to keep it, just hit the "delete" icon in the Mail application control icon bar and it's gone. > >Woofbert If you mean Adobe Acrobat files (pdf), > >then if you have Acrobat installed as a plugin [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > files I wanted are on the desktop, but everything snaps back before I > can click on them. Then something is wrong. Expose will rearrange windows permanently until you actually select the one you want in front by clicking on it. Expose is NOT "spring-loaded." > When I am trading the markets and I click on something in Windows, I > see it instantly make a decision and move on. In Mac, the market has > moved before I can even find it. > > Isn't there some way to make this platform useful for making instant > decisions? Are you talking about clicking an acceptance box on a web page? Because otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about. If I hit an acceptance button it happens as quickly as the web-page's server can accept it. And while that certainly varies, I've never seen it so slow as to make you miss a trade. SignatureGeorge Graves ------------------ ³When I learned to use my new computer and found out what Microsoft Windows XP does best, I felt like I had just paid $700.00 for a deck of cards.² Silverdr There is a Secure Delete Mode in 10.3 and up. If you want to trash sensitive data you choose it from the menu. That's it. No defrag after like Windows and real computers? Silverdr In Windows or not you have to get a browser plug-in if you want it to be rendered there. Here the same applies. I don't remember getting any plug-in for Windows? Once mail is configured you just send it, as it is. When on the web, adobe or not, its file, send, add address and go. The person who gets the email opens it up and there it is. Just as if they were on the web. This works in Windows Outlook express even when the email is opened off line. silverdr (use) filesystem browser to access them. In case of PDFs you need a plug-in for your browser. Got Adobe Silverdr In Windows you download and save too .. It's only that it doesn't show on your desktop but rather in some deep nested subdirectories. It's invisible to me. I do not have to look for it, or click on anything to get the information. I wonder why the slight of hand? Why would I want to hide what I downloaded from myself? Seems like something that you would set up for a small child. How do we get adult settings that will not reset themselves, on this thing? George Graves Unless you are logged on as administrator or root, you don't have sufficient privileges to delete applications. Why would anyone with a personal computer NOT have administrator privileges? Do they need some parent to control there your own property? George Graves If I hit an acceptance button it happens as quickly as the web-page's server can accept it. And while that certainly varies, I've never seen it so slow as to make you miss a trade. Why is there an acceptance button there at all? I guess this is not clear to people who are use to making up for there computers weaknesses. But, if I open my mail program say in Outlook express. When I am reading one mail, all the other ones become available if I was to go offline. I do not have to make any more decisions. The Internet does not have to wait for any more acceptances from the user. One page starts to load when the other is finished as "quickly as the web-page's server," can accept it. There is no delay asking me to make a decision over what I already requested. How long would you keep a servant around who questioned all of your decisions? A default like this may be OK for people new to computers, but has no place on a machine that may be used for business. GoldTrader wrote: > Also, did you tell me how to go about finding all the > parts of the application to stuff in the trash? >Jason Koesters Typically, it is all contained in the Applications directory, >sometimes it is just the program itself; sometimes it is a folder, >but rarely does it escape beyond the Applications directory. That's interesting. I would have thought that programs share some common elements. So, I guess they are all separate. Killing one, does not affect the others. When a program installs it does not send a spider web network of threads through out the hard drive like Windows? >Jason Koesters Macosxhints.com Wonderful lots of goodies in here. Thanks! >Jason Koesters http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/ Got it thanks! >Jason Koesters Anything beyond this, Word docs, etc., >I don't know of a plug-in for even Windows. Word in windows works fine, it does not need a plug. It does not work the same in Mac. >Jason Koesters if you have a "Downloads" folder, you can go in >and clear this out everyone once in a while (CMD-A followed >by CMD-delete and a SHIFT-CMD-delete), and your desktop is >not cluttered and your HDD space is recovered. This must be like a win temp folder. I will look into it. >Jason Koesters As I mentioned above, they are downloaded >to your computer and periodically removed by the program >(default is typically 7 days.. I can live with that. It's the extra step of clicking on it that is a hassle. >Jason Koesters Try F11, not F9, it clears everything, >so the icons of the Desktop are what's available. Btw, >down F11 while you click on the item of interest. Wow Jason F11, does it. Now I can clear away a multitude of pages and actually see the desktop. Double clicking opens the file. > That's it. No defrag after like Windows and real computers? Balls. Get that idea out of your head right now. "Real Computers" do not have to manually defragment their hard drives either. It's preventive maintence that is needed because of poor design in the FAT filesystem, and other systems do not require it. Surely you should be glad that your new computer doesn't have to regularly sit and contemplate its navel while it tidies up its mess? Pete > That's it. No defrag after like Windows and real computers? Defrag is built into the OS, and operates transparently. But if you want, you can buy third-party defrag utilities. I don't see the need for them, but there are people who, coming from less capable OSes (including Mac OS 9 and earlier), believe that they need it. > Why would anyone with a personal computer NOT have administrator > privileges? Do they need some parent to control there your own > property? Because in a multi-user environment, the computer's owner might not want to give administrator privileges to other users. > That's interesting. I would have thought that programs share some > common elements. They may call upon common elements; in fact, they do call upon lots of common elements--the APIs in the OS--but the parts that make them stand-alone programs are not shared. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Vote for John Kerry. > Silverdr There is a Secure Delete Mode in 10.3 and up. If you want to > trash > sensitive data you choose it from the menu. Was that a reply? To whom? Honestly, lern to quote. > That's it. No defrag after like Windows and real computers? Windows and real computers as opposed to what? Unix? Oh, you're a troll, right. Sadly you've come to plague a very friendly newsgroup. *sigh* > Why would anyone with a personal computer NOT have administrator > privileges? Because of the worm you just downloaded and that now runs under your account? > Do they need some parent to control there your own > property? Windows-users? Obviously. But they don't implement it because they're lazy. And then they first flood the internet with spam and the like and then ask us for help fixing their broken PCs. > Silverdr There is a Secure Delete Mode in 10.3 and up. If you want to > trash sensitive data you choose it from the menu. > > That's it. No defrag after like Windows and real computers? No real need for that. Only real computers have real needs. > Silverdr In Windows or not you have to get a browser plug-in if you > want it to be rendered there. Here the same applies. > > I don't remember getting any plug-in for Windows? Might be that the latest Windows versions have those preinstalled. The versions I used didn't. > Why would anyone with a personal computer NOT have administrator > privileges? Do they need some parent to control there your own > property? To control the human error-prone nature. > George Graves If I hit an > acceptance button it happens as quickly as the web-page's server can > accept it. And while that certainly varies, I've never seen it so > slow as to make you miss a trade. > > Why is there an acceptance button there at all? To allow some people asking for the reason of its existence. > I guess this is not clear to people who are use to making up for there > computers weaknesses. But, if I open my mail program say in Outlook > express. When I am reading one mail, all the other ones become > available if I was to go offline. I do not have to make any more > decisions. The Internet does not have to wait for any more > acceptances from the user. Yes. Windows allow people to do the online trading offline. This is one of the things Microsoft filed patents for. Unfortunately they were the first to patent it and noone else can copy it legally then. > How long would you keep a servant around who questioned all of your > decisions? I had such annoying servant once in the early nineties of the past century and second time in the 2001. Both are long gone. I couldn't afford keeping such ones for long. > A default like this may be OK for people new to computers, but has no > place on a machine that may be used for business. That's exactly what I thought! Hence no Windows anymore here. > That's interesting. I would have thought that programs share some > common elements. So, I guess they are all separate. Killing one, > does not affect the others. When a program installs it does not send > a spider web network of threads through out the hard drive like > Windows? In most cases, luckily no. > Word in windows works fine, it does not need a plug. It does not work > the same in Mac. Word is one of Bill's babies. Blame him for it. > Silverdr There is a Secure Delete Mode in 10.3 and up. If you want to > trash [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Why is there an acceptance button there at all? Most E-commerce sites, including online brokerages, use a "send" button on the browser to initiate a purchase or a trade. That's to what I was referring. SignatureGeorge Graves ------------------ ³When I learned to use my new computer and found out what Microsoft Windows XP does best, I felt like I had just paid $700.00 for a deck of cards.² GoldTrade, Others have pointed out that you are wrong about how IE for Windows opens files without saving them to disk first. Just to recap: In IE for Windows, you click to download and a pop window asks you if you wish to open or save to disk. The pop up window is *wrong*. Either way, you are saving the file to disk. If you choose "open", the file is tersely saved usually in a deeply nested folder where you probably won't find ever find it, but it *is* saved to disk. If you want to mimic IE for Windows behavior with Safari, simply do this: First, change your default save to location in preferences. To more completely mimic IE for Windows you would give it a bizarre name and deeply nest it. However, it may make sense to keep it in your User directory as "Safari Temp Files". Now whenever you left-click a download link, the file will open and you can pretend (just like in IE for Windows) that the file was never downloaded. Just like in Windows, you'll want to empty this folder every so often. To pretend to do something different as saving a file, simply right-click or ctrl-click on a download link and select "Download Linked File As". Here's the beauty of this... In Safari the choice will be made based on a left-click versus a right-click. Unlike IE for Windows, you don't have to click once to download and then decide again if you want to believe the lie about it not really being downloaded versus saved to disk. But wait, it gets better. Suppose you want to change your mind after right-clicking. No problem, the default save location will be the temp download folder, just go ahead and let it save it there, or select a shortcut. Let's say you want to find that file that you pretended not to really download. No problem, just go to your temp folder and open it. If you can't remember what the name of it is, or you want a quick easy way to get there, simply click on the "Show in Finder" of the download in the download manager. Now that you know this. Now that you understand *both* methods, tell us which do you find more logical and easier to use? > So to simplify, "How do you open up files(jpg's etc.), without having > to save them? If you are using OS X and Safari, you can get a PDF plug in to view PDFs without saving them. Most jpegs will open right in the browser without saving them; however, some sites aren't designed properly and will cause the files to be downloaded. This is rare, however. It is a very rare thing to have a graphic file downloaded in order for you to see the contents. Can you provide the URL of something that you have to download in order to view? SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Vote for John Kerry. > >Andrew J. Brehm I have seen many postings " lately, and > >I could only understand one of them; a question about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to consider. Also, did you tell me how to go about finding all the > parts of the application to stuff in the trash? For most apps, everything except preferences is contained within that icon. Preferences are stored in ~/Library/Preferences, and are very clearly named, if you want to go in there and toss them. There's no particular need to do this, however. Some applications may also install support files in /Library/Application Support. These will also be clearly identified, and again, it's trivial to get rid of them if leaving them around bothers you. OS X doesn't have anything like the registry where programs can hide all sorts of nonsense, and OS X programs don't spread cryptically-named files all over the disk. > You do not do any de-frag or anything, sounds very simplistic. As of 10.3, OS X has automatic file defragmentation and hotfile clustering. > Isn't there some kind of secure delete mode or something, or do you > just neglect all of that? The Finder provides a 'Secure Empty Trash' command which deletes any files in the trash and overwrites the blocks they occupied with random data a few times. Why you'd ever want to do this in the context of removing applications from the system is beyond me. > >Ian Gregory I click a link, which is a PDF > >file. The download manager pops up, downloads the file, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So to simplify, "How do you open up files(jpg's etc.), without having > to save them? http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/ is one of your options. Free for non-profit use. [snip] Signature"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences." -- George W. Bush on Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004 Re: How can I open files without saving a link? ZnU Why you'd ever want to do this in the context of removing applications from the system is beyond me. They loaded up my harddrive with a bunch of temporary programs. You know, good for only thirty days. With the useful life of a computer going on eighteen months, and the machine itself lasting probably ten years. Why would I want to keep a thirty-day trial program? More to the point, why would I not want to clean them out completely? silverdr - frankly - most people do not bother. Thanks silverdr, a lot of useful information in there. It is always nice to hear what "most people," think. In Investing we have a branch of investors who use "Contrary Opinion." "Contrary Opinion," is based on the documented fact that "most people," are always wrong. In fact the financial markets depend upon it. Ian Gregory >Please learn to properly attribute quoted material. "Properly," what is it like thinking inside the box Ian? MR_ED_of_Course Now that you know this. Now that you understand *both* methods, tell us which do you find more logical and easier to use? Setting it up now ED. Thanks for the explanation. I will get back to you. ZnU As of 10.3, OS X has automatic file defragmentation and hotfile clustering. Automatic defragmentation Wow! I knew it was necessary. <Secure Delete> >> Why you'd ever want to do this in the context of removing applications >> from the system is beyond me. > They loaded up my harddrive with a bunch of temporary programs. You > know, good for only thirty days. With the useful life of a computer > going on eighteen months, and the machine itself lasting probably ten > years. Why would I want to keep a thirty-day trial program? > > More to the point, why would I not want to clean them out completely? I can understand why you might want to delete them. But I don't know why you want to *secure* delete them, overwriting the disk to make sure that nobody can ever extract that information. That's useful for personal or secret documents, but what's secret about some crappy trial program? Pete > Re: How can I open files without saving a link? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > "Properly," what is it like thinking inside the box Ian? He's not "inside the box". He's pointing out that the way you quote people is not only non-conventional, but a royal pain in the a.s. If you feel otherwise, please tell us why the rest of the Internet should adopt your method of quoting text. Certainly you have MS Office. On the Mac this comes with Entourage which pretty much automatically handles Usenet quoting in a proper way. Why are you going out of your way to muck with this? > MR_ED_of_Course > Now that you know this. Now that you understand *both* methods, tell [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Automatic defragmentation Wow! I knew it was necessary. > Re: How can I open files without saving a link? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > going on eighteen months, and the machine itself lasting probably ten > years. Why would I want to keep a thirty-day trial program? Uh, Apple did this? The Mac software bundle didn't include such apps the last time I checked. It does include *registered* versions of several shareware apps. Maybe you somehow lost the licenses or something? > More to the point, why would I not want to clean them out completely? Huh? Do you understand how this sort of thing works? When a file is deleted normally, the space it occupied on the disk is simply marked as being free again. The operating system and applications have no knowledge that any file was ever there, and they regard that segment of the disk no differently from one which has never been written to. The only sense it which a file isn't 'cleaned out completely' at this point is that the actual magnetic blips representing the ones and zeros in the file may still exist on the disk platter. This is an issue if you're deleting sensitive data, because those ones and zeros are still readable by the right hardware or software. Secure delete solve this problem by overwriting the space the file previously occupied several times (seven is considered unrecoverable), usually with random data. This is most definitely not required when deleting a few shareware applications. [snip] Signature"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences." -- George W. Bush on Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004 > > Re: How can I open files without saving a link? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the last time I checked. It does include *registered* versions of > several shareware apps. Maybe you somehow lost the licenses or something? I guess you need to check again. The iBook I bought a few months ago came with a 30-day trial version of Microsoft Office X. SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** > > > Re: How can I open files without saving a link? > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I guess you need to check again. The iBook I bought a few months ago > came with a 30-day trial version of Microsoft Office X. Well, that's the only case I can think of. Apple certainly doesn't pre-install "a bunch" of such apps. Signature"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences." -- George W. Bush on Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004 [...] >>>Uh, Apple did this? The Mac software bundle didn't include such apps >>>the last time I checked. It does include *registered* versions of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Well, that's the only case I can think of. Apple certainly doesn't > pre-install "a bunch" of such apps. But the point remains. Even some of those, which are not trials might be useless. I threw away FaxSTF, Art Directors Toolkit, SnapzSomething, Filemaker trial and a couple others AFAIR. That was a good bunch I would say but even if this was only one, the point would still be valid. > > > Re: How can I open files without saving a link? > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I guess you need to check again. The iBook I bought a few months ago > came with a 30-day trial version of Microsoft Office X. Short term promo probably. I just got one of the new G4 iBooks and everything is full usage - no demo's of anything. > How can I open files without saving a link? You mean without saving the file? What kind of file? Like a PDF, for instance? > When I click on a file like adobe. Adobe what? It sounds like you are talking about a PDF file. Yes? > Instead of opening it on my > desktop like an Imac, my PowerBook puts a link on the desktop. It's a bit confusing here. Did you mean to write: Instead of opening it up -inline- in my browser window, my PowerBook puts a PDF file on the desktop that I have to go and click... which then opens Adobe's acrobat reader program... etc. > How do > I get too it with twenty projects open on my screen? In Panther, hit F11... or you can put it in the Dock and open it whenever you want. > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > to my desktop? I assume you mean viewing it -inline-, in the browser's window (as opposed to saving a PDF file to the desktop that must be double clicked). For a file like a PDF, I believe it has to be setup that way on the webpage. You can probably put a PDF in an <img> tag but with the advent of HTML 4, the 'object' element is a better way to go from what I understand. In other words, if this wasn't done when the webpage page was created, you can't. Also, if you don't already have one, your browser may need an inline plug-in designed to handle PDF's. Steve > I assume you mean viewing it -inline-, in the browser's window (as > opposed to saving a PDF file to the desktop that must be double > clicked). For a file like a PDF, I believe it has to be setup that way > on the webpage. You can probably put a PDF in an <img> tag Nope, that's nothing to do with it. It's a function of the browser, and how its "helper applications" are set up. Pete > How can I open files without saving a link? > > When I click on a file like adobe. Instead of opening it on my > desktop like an Imac, my PowerBook puts a link on the desktop. Right click on the link or hold down ctrl and click on the link. You'll see various options. One is to "Download Linked File As..." It'll then download it and Preview should automatically open it. > How do I get too it with twenty projects open on my screen? F11 clears the screen leaving the desktop for you to click on. You're better off with virtual desktops since you can then compartmentalise everything and not have twenty windows cluttering up everything. Try www.codetek.com but there are others, some free IIRC. > How can I get it to just open up files without having them save them > to my desktop? Dunno. Saving to the desktop is better since you might decide you want to keep it. Since Preview automatically opens it after download you've lost nothing anyway. SignaturePeter |
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