> My comments are inline with yours...
>
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> Hope this was somewhat insightful. bill
Just some comments... I've snipped where appropriate so if it looks like
I've omitted stuff it's because I probably agree with you.
> Bill,
>
> Entourage still isn't an equivalent counterpart to the Windows Outlook
> client.
Entourage isn't claiming to be an equivalent to Windows Outlook and no
Exchange client for Mac ever has been an equivalent.
IMHO, Entourage is a good successor to Outlook 2001 for Mac and its
capabilities.
> Enoturage is slow, and acts like a POP mail client, not like an
> Exchange only
> client which Outlook 2001 was. It hogs local resources, and has to
> locally download
> every email, which is silly in a workplace with an Exchange 2003
> server.
I agree that I don't like the synchronization that Entourage does. I
would prefer Entourage to be able to work "online" as Outlook 2001 did
and not in a "cached" mode.
> It also lacks some features that Outlook 2001 had which we use daily.
> All we
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> exchange-only
> client.
In particular, what features of Outlook 2001 are you missing from
Entourage? As Entourage evolves, it is getting most if not all the same
capabilities.
That's not to say it does the same thing or acts the same way. For
example, there's still no .pst support but you can still archive
locally. You actually have more flexibility with Entourage than Outlook
for this featue.
> Possible drawbacks to the Entourage 2004 solution might include the
> following:
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> advanced Exchange features, such as voting, shared tasks, shared
> notes, and server-side rules, are not accessible.
Voting wasn't supported in Outlook 2001. What are shared tasks and
notes? i don't recall them in Outlook 2001 either. SSR were very basic
as well. You could turn on/off an OOF message but that was about it.
> Entourage 2004 does not provide full public folder or delegation
> support.
Since sp2, pubic folder support included calendar and contacts in
addition to messages. Is there a specific public folder function you're
looking for and not getting?
> Although rules stored on Exchange Server will run, Exchange
> Server-based rules cannot be created or changed by using Entourage.
> To change a server-based rule from the Macintosh computer, users must
> use Microsoft Outlook.
I would expect this to come n the future. It only makes sense. The MacBU
at Microsoft simply doesn't have the resources to do everything at once.
> Entourage does not perform out-of-office responses in the same way
> that Outlook does. To configure an out-of-office response in
> Entourage, a user must create a rule.
Or until the Entourage interface includes this capability, use OWA to
set an OOF message. But you know this one already as I read later.
> Entourage 2004 has the following limitations for public folders:
> --Only e-mail messages appear in Entourage. Other item types that
> might be in the public folder - such as Calendar events, contacts,
> or
> tasks - do not appear in Entourage.
Have you not downloaded sp2 yet? Go look again! :-)
<http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=office2004sp2>
Tasks? Not yet.
> --To have Entourage automatically download the messages in a specific
> public folder, a user must subscribe to that folder.
I find it unusual to download messages automatically to a public folder,
but I won't argue this point. Never tried it. But I would think it makes
sense to have to have subscribed to something before being able to
manipulate it.
> --Public folders cannot be created, dragged, moved, renamed, or
> deleted by using Microsoft Entourage.
Haven't tried this either since I am not the owner of any public
folders, but see what happens after sp2.
> --Downloading the public folder list from the Exchange server can be
> very slow if there are many folders.
Drag your frequently used folders into the Favorites folders. These will
be kept synchronized so that you don't have to wait. That's its purpose.
> Users cannot browse Global Address List
You need sp2 and Exchange 2003. From what I understand browse
capabilities with Exchange 2000 aren't possible due to some limitations
on the Exchange side and how Entourage connects.
> Entourage issues:
> · Entourage uses the WebDAV protocol to communicate with the
> Exchange
> server and manage mail, Calendar, and contacts. Outlook uses a
> MAPI-based architecture to communicate with the Exchange server.
You can probably look forward to Outlook for Windows going WebDAV too.
(That's just the general assumption.)
WebDAV instead of MAPI isn't a limitation--it's a carefully thought out
decision. MAPI is a Microsoft proprietary protocol and not a standard.
WebDAV is a standard protocol and much of Entourage follows standards
(another example is the use of the .mbox file format) whereas a lot of
Outlook for Windows is proprietary.
> · Entourage provides no offline access to the Global Address List.
Now that one's a shame.
> · Entourage does not support setting permissions.
Setting permissions on what? sp2 has enabled folder sharing with
equivalent permissions capabilities as Outlook 2001.
> · Entourage does not support disabling the Entourage user
> interface
> based on permissions.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this one.
> · Entourage does not support mapping from subscribed public
> folders
> in Entourage to public folder favorites in Outlook.
Don't understand what you mean here either.
> · Entourage does not support Outlook forms, voting buttons, RTF
> message formatting, or receipt tracking.
I don't believe Outlook 2001 ever support forms or voting buttons.
Entourage supports "HTML", which is equivalent to RTF formatting in this
case.
Entourage does support receipts, but doesn't have an interface for it.
Have a look here.
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq_topic/return_receipt.html>
> · Entourage does not support password expiration notification or
> the
> ability to change the user account password.
Not sure if Outlook for Windows support the ability to change account
passwords either. That's all handled by the Windows OS in corporate
environments.
sp2 does support password expiration notification.
> · Entourage does not support quota management.
Not sure what you mean by "management", but with sp2 you can view folder
sizes as you can with Outlook.
> · Entourage does not support synchronizing Tasks or Notes to
> Exchange
> servers.
What I miss right now is the ability to send tasks to folks. I would
imagine these items are on the feature lists. It only makes sense.
I certainly won't say that Entourage is a replacement for Outlook
feature for feature. However, since Entourage's debut as an Exchange
client with Office X 10.1.5 or 10.1.6, it has come a long way in
providing Exchange users with the features they need and want. I'd say
that if you review the changes and updates as well as the timing, you'll
see that the MacBU is really being quite aggressive in their work to
make Entourage a good Exchange client.
Don't compare Entourage with Outlook for Windows. If you do then you're
fooling yourself. There's never been parity between Mac and Windows
clients and probably never will be due to the smaller size of the Mac
base in corporations. There has to be financial justification to bring
parity.
Go take a look at sp2 for Entourage and you'll probably be pleasantly
surprised. I dare say it will whittle down your list a little.
bill

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joe-rocket - 17 Nov 2005 23:39 GMT
You guys are getting off the subject!!!
We need to use Outlook 2001 because we can not use a pop server a
work.
So if anyone knows which file or files need to be replaced please le
me know.
I know happens if you restore a drive most of the time outlook fails t
display GAL
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joe-rocke
zohland@gmail.com - 16 Dec 2005 15:23 GMT
Outlook/Classic will behave differently depending on what kind of Mac
you are using. If you have one that boots OS 9 and OS X it's pretty
simple, but in the newer Macs that only boot OS X and run classic as an
application things can get tricky. Here are some things I have found
that help:
1.) Bind the computer to your AD domain in Directory access, and put in
your WINS server there as well.
2.) In network settings put the name of your domain in the search
domains.
3.) When setting up a mailbox with these settings in place enter the IP
address of your exchange server instead of its name.
4.) If none of these steps work, leave them in place and try creating a
disk image that's about 250m, and install Outlook 2001 to there. Run
Outlook from there and see if it works, because disk images won't
have the permissions issues other folders will.
Hope those help. BTW a few people have mentioned "Left Hand" in
this thread. What is that?