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Mac Forum / Applications / MS Office / June 2005Optimizing font menu performance...
Hi, At work we use Office 2004 for OS X (10.3.8) with all updates and patches applied but on every single workstation (we have about 10 of them), applications like Word, Excel and Powerpoint takes an eternity to start. We have FontAgent Pro installed <http://www.insidersoftware.com/>. Maybe that's the reason but is there no way to avoid the optimization of the font menu during startup of those applications? (Turning off the WYSIWYG font and style menus helps a little, but not enough).  SignatureRegards Madsen > (Turning off the WYSIWYG font and style menus helps a little, > but not enough). And cleaning out the font cache doesn't work either. We use Deep Six quite often. SignatureRegards Madsen >> (Turning off the WYSIWYG font and style menus helps a little, >> but not enough). > > And cleaning out the font cache doesn't work either. We use > Deep Six quite often. Have you tested whether it really is Font Agent Pro causing the problem? If it happens without it being installed, there should be something that can be done (as Word/XL open in 3-4 secs for me). Also, how many fonts do you have installed? SignatureDaiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: <http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/> What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ > Have you tested whether it really is Font Agent Pro causing > the problem? No because working without a font manager is not really an option for us. We need a font manager and FontAgent Pro is the best we can find for OS X at the moment. I'll try without FontAgent on my home machine in the following weekend, because it has the same problem. > Also, how many fonts do you have installed? Around 50 to 100 activated fonts, but it varies (We produce newspapers so we have and need quite a lot of fonts). SignatureRegards Madsen Is it a client server LAN? Were user have their settings in their home on a server? I got that problem when there are different sets of fonts on different computers. /J Schmidt > > Have you tested whether it really is Font Agent Pro causing > > the problem? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Around 50 to 100 activated fonts, but it varies (We produce > newspapers so we have and need quite a lot of fonts). > Is it a client server LAN? No. Each client computer has its own set of fonts installed and each client computer has Font Agent Pro installed to manage them. It doesn't seem to change anything without Font Agent Pro by the way. I tried this weekend, but it still takes several minutes to start Word and Excel the first time after a restart of OS X because it has to rebuild that freaking font menu. It's driving me nuts. I have removed the fonts installed by Office because we don't want them in our workflow (we only use Type 1 fonts and a few system dfonts, that unfortunately can't be deleted). First I thought that this could be the reason for the long font menu optimization, but it doesn't work to copy the Office fonts back either. SignatureRegards Madsen I have been able to considerably reduce launch time and font menu clutter as follows: 1. I remove all of the fonts that are included in the Office install. They are placed in a subfolder marked "fonts" somewhere within the "Microsoft Office" folder or one of its subfolders--I forget exactly where. 2. I remove all references to those fonts in any of the word templates that I might call-up intentionally or by accident, especially the "normal" template. This means changing all fonts specified in the styles. For my purposes it has been easiest to change them all to Times or Minion. If you sometimes use web fonts like Verdanna, I would create a specific template for use when they are needed. 3. I remove any references to "Helvetica Fractions". Because they always seem to cause conflicts in all versions of system X, they are to be available only when absolutely needed. All of these steps may be required. Insidiously, any references to these fonts in any active template will cause FontAgent, or, I presume, any other font management tool with autoactiviation to activate them, thwarting one's best efforts. By removing them I have been able to reduce launch to about 8 seconds. > 1. I remove all of the fonts that are included in the Office > install. I have already done that. > 2. I remove all references to those fonts in any of the word > templates that I might call-up intentionally or by accident, > especially the "normal" template. The only thing we use Word for is when we receive Word documents from our clients that can't be pasted directly into Adobe InDesign CS because some odd Word-feature is used. We then use word to get an idea about how the ad should look like (we produce newspapers). Is it possible to delete all the templates so that Word doesn't load them? > 3. I remove any references to "Helvetica Fractions". Because > they always seem to cause conflicts in all versions of system X, > they are to be available only when absolutely needed. As far as I remember, we do indeed have Helvetica Fractions in our font collection, but I'm not sure. > All of these steps may be required. Insidiously, any references > to these fonts in any active template will cause FontAgent, or, > I presume, any other font management tool with autoactiviation > to activate them, thwarting one's best efforts. At first FontAgent activated three or four fonts every time Word was started. I don't recall which fonts exactly but Times New Roman was one of them. I thought that this was the reason for the slow start-up, so I placed those three or four fonts in a start-up folder in FontAgent, so that those fonts are always loaded at system start-up. Unfortunately it didn't change much. Word (and Excel) still takes several minutes to start. > By removing them I have been able to reduce launch to about 8 > seconds. I wish that it would launch in about 8 seconds here. Thanks for your help. SignatureRegards Madsen > Is it possible to delete all the templates so that Word doesn't > load them? I think you should just be able to drag them out of the apps/ms office 2004/templates folder. Quit Word first, hide them somewhere in case you ever want them. Sorry not to be more help with the rest of the issues. > I think you should just be able to drag them out of the apps/ms > office 2004/templates folder. It seems that you're right. I haven't tested if it actually shortens the start-up time yet, but I'll definitely give it a try. > Sorry not to be more help with the rest of the issues. No need to be sorry. Thanks for you help, Daiya :) SignatureRegards Madsen |
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