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Is there a more active board for Mac/Office questions?

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May Productions - 18 Feb 2005 06:41 GMT
Just wondering.  Most discussion groups I visit have much more traffic and
answers within minutes rather than days.  Am I posting in the wrong areas?
Pete

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Paul Berkowitz - 18 Feb 2005 10:44 GMT
On 2/17/05 10:41 PM, in article BE3AEA57.2E72%MayProductions@petemay.com,

> Just wondering.  Most discussion groups I visit have much more traffic and
> answers within minutes rather than days.  Am I posting in the wrong areas?
> Pete

So far you'd only waited for 1 hour and 11 minutes. And your question is not
really very interesting, but complicated and badly formatted (no blank lines
between paragraphs makes it hard to read). Hold your horses.

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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X  or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.

Daiya Mitchell - 18 Feb 2005 13:56 GMT
> On 2/17/05 10:41 PM, in article BE3AEA57.2E72%MayProductions@petemay.com,
>
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> really very interesting, but complicated and badly formatted (no blank lines
> between paragraphs makes it hard to read). Hold your horses.

If you were referring to your other question, you are sorta in the wrong
area--that's a Word question, and the Word group gets more traffic.

Look for
microsoft.public.mac.office
microsoft.public.mac.office

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Daiya Mitchell - 18 Feb 2005 14:02 GMT
Argh, so aggravating!  I don't know how I keep hitting Send RIGHT Now.
> If you were referring to your other question, you are sorta in the wrong
> area--that's a Word question, and the Word group gets more traffic.
>
> Look for
That should be:
microsoft.public.mac.office.word
microsoft.public.mac.office.excel
microsoft.public.mac.office.powerpoint
microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage

All of those are busier than the just "office" group, because who's really
an expert in "office"? So many regulars do not bother to check this group
very often, or at all, including at least one person with lots of experience
with pix and Word.

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May Productions - 21 Feb 2005 18:41 GMT
On 2/18/05 4:44 AM, in article BE3B0719.897D1%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com,

> So far you'd only waited for 1 hour and 11 minutes. And your question is not
> really very interesting, but complicated and badly formatted (no blank lines
> between paragraphs makes it hard to read). Hold your horses.

Whoa there Paul!  Daiya got it.  My question about the inactivity of the
board was prompted by another question I posted a day earlier about pictures
disappearing.  Just for the record, many other programs I use have very
active, lively discussion forums.  I don't think it's unreasonable or
insulting to anyone in any way for me to inquire as to whether there are
other, more active boards.

As far as my questions being interesting, I hope that's not a criteria for
posting.  Interesting is a very subjective thing.  My question was
interesting enough to me in order to prompt its posting.  I'm sure there are
many, many things you find interesting that would bore most other people.
Besides, it would be a poor reflection on Microsoft (and the people who were
kind enough to answer my questions) to think that only "interesting"
questions are worthy of being asked or answered.

As far as your subsequent answer to my most recent question regarding seats,
I'm sorry the formatting threw you so badly.  4:44A, huh?   My question was
an honest one about Word vs. Office upgrade paths.

Let's forget about all that and I'll re-ask my first question in that post
and that was, can I buy additional seats for an existing program?

Thanks to CyberTaz and Daiya for the thoughtful and civil responses.

Best regards,
Peter
Daiya Mitchell - 21 Feb 2005 19:25 GMT
> As far as your subsequent answer to my most recent question regarding seats,
> I'm sorry the formatting threw you so badly.  4:44A, huh?   My question was
> an honest one about Word vs. Office upgrade paths.
>
> Let's forget about all that and I'll re-ask my first question in that post
> and that was, can I buy additional seats for an existing program?

I think Paul did answer your question.
>> You have to buy a new copy of
>> Office 2004 for the second desktop.
Or get student/teacher edition, which basically comes with 3 seats.

It sounds like you bought one copy of office, upgraded it, but continued to
use both copies (I suspect that's not legal, I think an upgrade license is
supposed to be the same seat, since I'm pretty sure you can't sell the old
upgraded copy). I also don't think you are supposed to use the same old copy
to buy two upgrade copies. Legally, I think you need a whole new copy. But I
don't study EULAs.

Re interesting questions--no one gets paid to be here.  I hang out in
general because I learn more than I share, and it's just as easy to check
this group while checking the Word one.  Less people hang out here than on
the program-specific groups because this group is less interesting to them.
That's just the way it is.

DM
May Productions - 21 Feb 2005 20:00 GMT
On 2/21/05 1:25 PM, in article BE3F75A3.1C639%daiyaNOSPAM@mvps.org.INVALID,

> It sounds like you bought one copy of office, upgraded it, but continued to
> use both copies (I suspect that's not legal, I think an upgrade license is
> supposed to be the same seat, since I'm pretty sure you can't sell the old
> upgraded copy).

My wife continued to use the old copy of Word on the old computer while I
moved onto a new computer and into the Office path.  I don't know if
continuing to use an old version of a program bought and paid for by a
previous owner of an old computer is illegal.  If it is, I was guilty (and
so are a lot of people who buy old computers).  I do know that while any
time I launch any Office app on my laptop without first killing any open
Office apps on my desktop, I am "reminded" of the license restrictions.
That was never the case with the old G3 running Word and the new G4 running
Office.  

If I understand what you are saying, I cannot buy an additional seat on an
existing program.  That has to be done at the time of purchase and I need to
buy a new copy of Word (or Office) for my wife.  Never the twain shall meet.

> Re interesting questions--no one gets paid to be here.  I hang out in
> general because I learn more than I share, and it's just as easy to check
> this group while checking the Word one.  Less people hang out here than on
> the program-specific groups because this group is less interesting to them.
> That's just the way it is.

I understand.  I certainly don't get paid to answer questions on the
professional boards in my area of expertise either and I do, as you do,
learn more than I share.  I guess I overreacted.  I've just never been told
(nor told anyone), a question was too uninteresting to deserve an answer.

In my area of interest there are boards sponsored by the software
manufacturer and there are lots of "private" boards populated by people who
have an avid interest in the software.  Maybe this is sacrilege but, in my
question about "more active boards" I was fishing to see if anyone might
know of additional active MS Office or Word boards respected by the folks
here, whether associated with MS or not.  I tried to Google the question but
any combination of words I tried produced millions of hits!  I will, in the
future, if the question is appropriate, post on the more specific program
boards.

Thanks again for your answers.

Peter
Daiya Mitchell - 21 Feb 2005 20:32 GMT
>   I do know that while any
> time I launch any Office app on my laptop without first killing any open
> Office apps on my desktop, I am "reminded" of the license restrictions.
> That was never the case with the old G3 running Word and the new G4 running
> Office.  

Well, what the EULA allows is not always the same as what the software
actually enforces.

> If I understand what you are saying, I cannot buy an additional seat on an
> existing program.  That has to be done at the time of purchase and I need to
> buy a new copy of Word (or Office) for my wife.  Never the twain shall meet.

You could not have bought a two-seat version of Office at time of purchase
either.  It doesn't exist.  Either you buy multiple single copies/licenses
or you are a corporation that buys a lot of seats (might start at 10-20).
There is no family pack.  The exception is the Student/Teacher edition,
which in the last two versions has acted as a 3-seat family pack.

You should use Help | Send Feedback to inform MS that you would buy a family
pack if they offered one, maybe someday they will.

> In my area of interest there are boards sponsored by the software
> manufacturer and there are lots of "private" boards populated by people who
> have an avid interest in the software.  Maybe this is sacrilege but, in my
> question about "more active boards" I was fishing to see if anyone might
> know of additional active MS Office or Word boards respected by the folks
> here, whether associated with MS or not.

Do let us know if you find any.  I've seen various threads on tidbits.com,
macworld.com (I think), and such sites, but haven't looked for active
forums. There are a lot of sites slurping these newsgroups, though. I would
suspect Word questions get asked anywhere there is a congregation of Mac
users.

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