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>>> How can I store these "open with" files somewhere other than
>>> Desktop? They are not stored in browser.download.dir.
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> to /Users/cmgreen/Desktop/Downloads/. Files that are opened with
> preview still are saved on the desktop.
I still can't get the reasoning for having a program behave differently
just because it's on another OS. If you have the option to choose the
download folder in one OS, what idiot reason could there be for not
having that feature on a MAC?

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Nick Carrasco - 16 Feb 2005 14:07 GMT
Try the PDF Browser Plugin from Schubert. It opens the PDF file in your
browser and does not download it to you download directory unless you
tell it.
http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/
>>>>How can I store these "open with" files somewhere other than
>>>>Desktop? They are not stored in browser.download.dir.
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> download folder in one OS, what idiot reason could there be for not
> having that feature on a MAC?
Chris Green - 16 Feb 2005 16:47 GMT
> I still can't get the reasoning for having a program behave differently
> just because it's on another OS. If you have the option to choose the
> download folder in one OS, what idiot reason could there be for not
> having that feature on a MAC?
The problem isn't that you can't pick a download folder, it's that
the download folder isn't used when the file is going to be saved and
passed to another program.
I've also run into if I download a file.patch.gz, it goes to the
Documents folder by default rather than the downloads folder I've specified.

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Malcolm - 16 Feb 2005 18:08 GMT
> what idiot reason could there be for not
> having that feature on a MAC?
Same reason that it's IMPOSSIBLE to have external links open in a new
*TAB* on Mac, I guess. Stupid!
FF is the best browser on earth; but it's 25%-50% worse on Mac (and I
_still_ have it as the default).
Moz Champion - 21 Feb 2005 21:25 GMT
>> what idiot reason could there be for not having that feature on a MAC?
>
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> FF is the best browser on earth; but it's 25%-50% worse on Mac (and I
> _still_ have it as the default).
You can

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Moz Champion - 21 Feb 2005 21:22 GMT
>>>>How can I store these "open with" files somewhere other than
>>>>Desktop? They are not stored in browser.download.dir.
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> download folder in one OS, what idiot reason could there be for not
> having that feature on a MAC?
Um, it IS there!
In Firefox, when you download you get at the bottom of the download
window an Entry that says
"All files downloaded to:"
click on the folder you have assigned, you can change it.
You can also set the folder where you want downloads to go to by default in
~Preferences/Downloads
The confusion here is because the Preferences location is different on
each platform
Macintosh
Firefox-->Preferences
Windows
Tools-->Options-->Preferences
Linux
Edit-->Preferences

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Moz Champion - 21 Feb 2005 21:24 GMT
>>>>How can I store these "open with" files somewhere other than
>>>>Desktop? They are not stored in browser.download.dir.
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> download folder in one OS, what idiot reason could there be for not
> having that feature on a MAC?
I still cant get the reasoning for having a user condemn what he doesnt
understand <g>
See my other post, it IS there, its simply under another menu on the
Macintosh. And why? Because its a different operating system, with
different priorities and places

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Christopher Jahn - 22 Feb 2005 00:44 GMT
Moz Champion <moz.champion@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:cvdjn5$b136
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>>>>>How can I store these "open with" files somewhere other than
>>>>>Desktop? They are not stored in browser.download.dir.
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> I still cant get the reasoning for having a user condemn what he doesnt
> understand <g>
I understand logic; I do not understand the problem we're discussing.
> See my other post, it IS there, its simply under another menu on the
> Macintosh. And why? Because its a different operating system, with
> different priorities and places
BUT it's the same program. I expect a program to have its own priorities
that are consistent and independent of the OS. If [fitb] is in the FILE
menu on one OS, I expect it there on EVERY OS. No reason for a change
that I can see.

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Moz Champion - 07 Mar 2005 09:59 GMT
> Moz Champion <moz.champion@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:cvdjn5$b136
> @ripley.netscape.com:
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> menu on one OS, I expect it there on EVERY OS. No reason for a change
> that I can see.
No reason that you can see? Then you dont understand the different OS
and their guidelines.
Both Microsoft (for Windows) and Apple for OS X, set standards and
guidelines for where specific items are placed and in which menu they
belong.
For example, in this specific example, Microsoft dictates that the TOOLS
to change the settings go under the Tools menu, while on the Apple
system, they rightly belong in the <Program Name> menu under Preferences.
Each operating system has its own values and priorities, and the
guidelines for each (as set by the manufacturer) are different.
Earlier on in the Windows system for example, each program could decree
what CMD P stood for, with the result that different programs used the
key combination for quite some different tasks. Microsoft finally laid
down the 'law' with its guidelines and Cmd P in now Print across the
spectrum. Apple always had strict guidelines for its user interface,
i.e. standardized menus for ALL program
Apple/Program Name/File/Edit are always there (on the Apple).
Microsoft didnt specify the Program Name menu and as such it doesnt exist!
Many of the original key combinations were based on the Apple Gui
P for Print C for Copy V for Paste X for Cut for example - Microsoft
later made these standard as well.
Windows has right click options, because ALL Microsoft windows OS and
compatible mice had two buttons (or more). There is no equivalent on the
Mac OS, because Mac mice come with one button. Some conventions have to
be invented for cross platform programs, on Mozilla products, some right
click (windows) functions are click and hold on the Mac for example.
You expect a FILE menu you say. Because Apple dictated what goes in the
FILE menu, and Microsoft later adopted many of the same standards for
its interface when it standardized menus. Linux followed the Windows
layout in most cases, but not always. Because the STANDARDS which
govern what goes where on each platform are different! The Preferences
in Linux are under the Edit menu, they are under the Program Name Menu
in OS X and because Microsoft dictates so, they are under the Tools menu
in Windows!
If Mozilla use the Tools menu (i.e. Tools-->Options--->Preferences or
some such) then they would be breaking the Apple and Linux guidelines
for user interfaces. If Mozilla used the Program Name menu (i.e.
Mozilla-->Preferences) then it would be breaking both Microsoft AND
Linux guidelines for user interfaces. If Mozilla use the Edit menu (i.e.
Edit--Preferences) then it would be breaking Microsoft and Apple
guidelines for user interfaces. So each version for each OS users its own.

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Christopher Jahn - 07 Mar 2005 14:07 GMT
Moz Champion <moz.champion@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:d0h8pu$31t2
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> No reason that you can see? Then you dont understand the different OS
> and their guidelines.
No, I don't. I think the OS rules are stupid, and the programmers
tainted by that stupidity. I want the damned program to work the same
way with the same layout on every platform. If it doesn't do that, then
the major advantage to having a cross-platform program is lost; the
ability for a user to seamlessly use the program on any OS without
learning a new set of rules.
All your excuses and rationalizations do not justify variances from one
platform to the next. It just allows programmers to continue to work
against the needs of the user in order to appease corporate bozos.

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