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Is Microsoft working on a new version of messenger:mac? so we can have winks, nudges, and all windows stuff too. or the project is gone? they're not updating the messenger:mac. ?? can anyone answer this? > Is Microsoft working on a new version of messenger:mac? > so we can have winks, nudges, and all windows stuff too. > or the project is gone? they're not updating the messenger:mac. ?? can > anyone answer this? And what about Slow Transfer? That is the most important fix we all are hoping for, but nothing yet. Guys at MS are busy on new version of Office for Mac or something... > > Is Microsoft working on a new version of messenger:mac? > > so we can have winks, nudges, and all windows stuff too. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hoping for, but nothing yet. Guys at MS are busy on new version of Office > for Mac or something... As long as messenger:mac is free of charge, I doubt they're gonna put so much effort on this... :D > > > Is Microsoft working on a new version of messenger:mac? > > > so we can have winks, nudges, and all windows stuff too. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > As long as messenger:mac is free of charge, I doubt they're gonna put > so much effort on this... :D yeah the slow transfer too, but you guys got what i mean, i meant like if we ever gonna get a messenger that has all windows messenger features, or the main features. i liked hearing about a new version of Office for Mac, do you have any idea if it comes with a new messenger? what do you have about it?? i mean what material... articles, blog posts, news, whatever... anything could be awesome thanks > i liked hearing about a new version of Office for Mac, do you have > any idea if it comes with a new messenger? > what do you have about it?? i mean what material... articles, blog > posts, news, whatever... anything could be awesome thanks You can check here: http://blogs.msdn.com/macmojo/ They even have a couple of Messenger specific posts like this one: http://blogs.msdn.com/macmojo/archive/2006/09/27/774149.aspx Corentin  Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire On 7 Giu, 00:22, Corentin Cras-M?neur <korvent...@NoSpam.mvps.org> wrote: > thanks > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Corentin As I was saying... 9 months ago :) In article <1181224854.608808.67360@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>cm0901 > As I was saying... 9 months ago :) Hey I was just answering to the question "i mean what material... articles, blog posts, news, whatever... ". I didn't say it was a source with recent information.... Just a source ;-) Corentin (not using Messenger because it doesn't support A/V and it's useless to me without it) Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire On 7 Giu, 17:05, Corentin Cras-M?neur <korvent...@NoSpam.mvps.org> wrote: > Hey I was just answering to the question "i mean what material... > articles, blog posts, news, whatever... ". I didn't say it was a > source with recent information.... Just a source ;-) > Corentin (not using Messenger because it doesn't support A/V and it's > useless to me without it) And I was pointing out that the latest news are from 9 months ago... nothing personal mate :) After all, I always hope to wake up a morning and discover a new, shiny messenger:mac 7.0 with audio, video, tabbed chat, winks, handwriting, grenades, fruite juice, pizza, 100% reliable soccer predictions and a fresh scent of spring flowers But that's the way things are now :) Claudio (using Adium :P) > And I was pointing out that the latest news are from 9 months ago... > nothing personal mate :) I didn't take it personnally (hence the smiley at the end) :-)) Yeah, I can't wait until we get a full featured version of Messenger :-\ Corentin Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire >> And I was pointing out that the latest news are from 9 months ago... >> nothing personal mate :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Corentin Pigs will fly... Hell will freeze over... The Pope will convert to Islam... The THIRD coming of Christ will happen... ...before Microsoft write a decent version of Messenger for Mac. Unfortunately Microsoft are idiots. They think giving us Mac users a crappy version of Messenger will make us more likely to 'switch' to Windows (yeah as if). In reality it merely reinforces the stereotype of Microsoft being incapable of writing ANY decent software. Microsoft should look at what Apple has done with iTunes (and now Safari). The Windows versions of these are 100% equal to the Mac versions and not deliberately crippled, this allows Windows users to see the quality of Apple software (we can hardly see the quality of Microsoft software when looking at any of Microsoft's software for Mac, we merely see the ghastliness of Microsoft software). At the moment from a Mac perspective, I would have to tell Microsoft to give up writing software, and stick to making hardware (keyboards, mice, games consoles, but NOT MP3 players - they suck at those as well). Oh the irony, the worlds biggest software company is better at making hardware than software. > Pigs will fly... > Hell will freeze over... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the worlds biggest software company is better at making hardware than > software. Never agreed so much with a person I don't personally know. > ....before Microsoft write a decent version of Messenger for Mac. > Unfortunately Microsoft are idiots. Even though I understand (and share) the frustration, I'm not sure insulting them is the best way to get them to develop a proper, feature complete, version of Messenger :-> I think that there are several components to the problem: - Messenger is free. They don't make any money out of it so it's difficult to justify putting a lot of developers from the MacBU on it (their resources are far more limited than on the Windows side). - Live Messenger uses audio and video codecs that don't exist on Mac. They can rely on already existing codecs for AV for the Mac version and they have to reinvent the wheel. In addition, I read somewhere that the Windows side was switching to newer protocols that are not fully set (or at least weren't when I read the old post - that might be in the MacMojo post actually). This means that if you create a version based on the old protocols, a couple of months later they are obsolete and incompatible with the Windows version and you wasted your (limited) time. The fact that some people from the MacBU read this forum and try to help out users with the current version is a GREAT sign. This is quite different from the Windows Media Player situation: lousy app, buggy as hell, never corrected and eventually abandoned. It was NOT developed by the MacBU, it was quickly put together by some other guys from the Windows side - probably the WMP team. I have high hopes for a version that will bring AV and in this context I think that "please, please, please, please" might work better than "you guys are a bunch of idiots". Corentin Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire On 14 Giu, 19:28, Corentin Cras-Méneur <korvent...@NoSpam.mvps.org> wrote: > [CUT] You know... i sorta agree with you. I think I read somewhere the new protocol deal too, and I can share your thoughts about that. But come on... There's REALLY no sign of a new version here, not from september 2006. A word shouldn't be so expensive from Microsoft, should it? On 14/6/07 20:46, in article 1181850384.604057.256040@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cm0901" > On 14 Giu, 19:28, Corentin Cras-Méneur <korvent...@NoSpam.mvps.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on... There's REALLY no sign of a new version here, not from september > 2006. A word shouldn't be so expensive from Microsoft, should it? The change in protocols is true, and by itself is a reasonable justification for a delay NOW, but Microsoft have been failing to do this for YEARS, and back then the change in protocol was not even a twinkle in Bill Gates eye. As far as I am concerned Microsoft long, LONG ago used up all their excuses and have since lost all sympathy. What really rubs salt in to the wound, is Microsoft keep boasting their MacBU is the biggest team of Mac developers outside Apple. If it is so big (bigger than Adobe) then how come Microsoft produce so little and of so poor quality? Me doth think they protest too much. ...Never in the field of software development, has so little, been produced for so long, by so many... Apologies to Sir Winston Churchill, and brickbats to Microsoft. Just ONE decent, Mac application from Microsoft of equal features and quality to the Windows version, would go a long way to improving Microsoft's reputation, unfortunately there are zero such products. > What really rubs salt in to the wound, is Microsoft keep boasting > their MacBU is the biggest team of Mac developers outside Apple. If > it is so big (bigger than Adobe) then how come Microsoft produce so > little and of so poor quality? The MacBU is mostly working on Office. That's the core of what the developers are doing. I read somewhere that the MacBU had about 180 developers. I wonder how many of them are actually assigned to Messenger. I fear that Messenger and RDC are more like side-projects.... They don't generate any revenue. I think it has to be put in perspective. I don;t really care how many devs MS has, it's more how many are assigned to work on Messenger that matters here. I think what we really need would be a version you can use to call computer-to-phone (I believe that the Windows version does that now). Then Messenger for Mac would potentially bring money into the Bank and make it easier to justify investing in developer time. Corentin Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire On 15/6/07 19:46, in article nemoFri061507014054@news.microsoft.com, >> What really rubs salt in to the wound, is Microsoft keep boasting >> their MacBU is the biggest team of Mac developers outside Apple. If [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > make it easier to justify investing in developer time. > Corentin In the past the quantity of Mac products the MacBU was responsible for might have been an excuse. However they have discontinued so many products (without ceasing to boast about the size of their team) that this excuse (like all their other many many feeble excuses) no longer holds any weight. After all if we believe Microsoft's boasting, their team is bigger than Adobe's Mac team, and yet I would argue Adobe produce far more software than Microsoft, even if one counts Office as four separate products. Equally, in the past, the size of Office (for the Mac) compared to any other Mac application may also have been an excuse, but these days Adobe Creative Suite is easily bigger than Office for Mac in complexity and yet of far higher quality than Office for Mac despite Microsoft boasting having a bigger team. I am afraid Joseph Stalin's famous dictum - "Quantity has a quality all of its own" clearly does not apply when talking about Microsoft. Mac products - Adobe vs. Microsoft PhotoShop Word PhotoShop Elements Excel Lightroom PowerPoint Acrobat Reader Entourage Acrobat Pro Messenger Flash Player Remote Desktop Client Dreamweaver Expression Studio Fireworks Illustrator InDesign After Effects Premier SoundBooth Director > Adobe vs. Microsoft > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > SoundBooth > Director It's a point well taken, but the list is a bit biased. Photoshop and Photoshop elements are based on the same app. Reader and Acrobat Pro too... and you could add on the MS side, the PST tool, the Office 2007 importers... Expression Media is not made by the MacBU (and I don't remember ever seeing Expression Studio for Mac).VPC is, though - but it's dead. I don't know who makes the mouse and keyboard drivers, but I suspect it's subcontracted outside MS. There are also the network authentication services (MS UAM) but I'm not sure who made them.(WMP and Silverlight are made elsewhere) Regardless, it's a valid point: the MacBU is a big team and they have the capacity to make big things. The problem remains: The entire MacBU is not working on Messenger. The problem is to know how many developers are. If we don't have A/V yet, I don't blame it on the devs, I blame it on executive decisions to put the resources elsewhere (and I thank the devs for what they already did and encourage them to do even more ;-) ). I don;t think that it is in our interest (or even makes any sense) to attack the developers (Hey! I want A/V too. I hardly ever use Messenger myself because we don't have any A/V support). Corentin Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire On 18 Giu, 17:32, Corentin Cras-Méneur <korvent...@NoSpam.mvps.org> wrote: > I don't know who makes the mouse and keyboard drivers, but I suspect > it's subcontracted outside MS. That's why mice and keyboards are the only Microsoft's products that works properly? :D Sorry, I couldn't keep that for myself, it was too funny :D On 18/6/07 16:32, in article nemoMon061807101941@news.microsoft.com, >> Adobe vs. Microsoft >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > don't have any A/V support). > Corentin Absolutely I have no issue with the developers over features, they obviously have little or no control over those decisions (however they would be at least partially guilty over the poor quality of the code in Office, for example the notoriously poor performance/reliability of Office when used with Network Home Directories, the decades old bugs, etc.). Microsoft management are equally obviously too stupid to realise that people have and are deserting Messenger for Skype due at least partially to the pathetic state of Messenger on Mac. Note: when listing software (for Adobe vs. Microsoft) I have tried to be equally fair, you will notice I have not listed Freehand or Golive for Adobe which are both discontinued, likewise Virtual PC, the PST tool, the UAM module all are or appear to be discontinued on the Microsoft side. But as you seem to agree, the point is that Adobe clearly produce far more software for Mac with ACCORDING TO MICROSOFT fewer Mac developers. [Note: for all you can tell by the almost complete lack of mention on the Microsoft website, Expression for Mac might as well be discontinued] If one was going to include such truly minor software such as the UAM module, the OpenXML file importers (which really counts as part of Office or Adobe RAW should equally be considered separately) on the Microsoft side, then there also all the Adobe fonts to consider, and other minor components of Creative Suite, as I said I have tried to be fair, and while peoples opinions of the exact contents of such a list might differ, the point is indisputable. Note: I do consider Acrobat Pro to be a separate product to Reader (although with much in common) although Acrobat Standard I would not and if MS Works still existed I would likewise consider that to be a separate product. I would accept Silverlight being an additional Microsoft product and should have listed that although it is not part of the MacBU, in fact as many of these Microsoft products are not done by the MacBU themselves that just makes the argument even stronger! > Note: I do consider Acrobat Pro to be a separate product to Reader > (although with much in common) although Acrobat Standard I would not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > done by the MacBU themselves that justmakes the argument even > stronger! Nope Silverlight is indeed made elsewhere (and I am very very very afraid it will take the WMP way: I already can't find a decent way to report bugs for it) :-\ Corentin Signature--- Mac:MS MVP (Francophone) http://www.cortig.net/wordpress/ --- http://www.mvps.org - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com MVPs are not MS employees - Les MVP ne travaillent pas pour MS Remove "NoSpam" to e-mail me - Retirez "NoSpam" pour m'écrire Sorry, forgot to edit your signature! > > > "leeo" <leololl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > posts, news, whatever... anything could be awesome > thanks This is the problem: someone used to speak about a new version... months ago. Then nothing. I think that the best way is get Parallels and forget about the new version... And if ever will be any, i'm sure it will have only minor tweaks (i remember, when they introduced 6.0 with personal messages and custom emoticons, windows version already had video and phone calls, winks and so on...) |
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