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John - 08 Feb 2010 22:52 GMT
These are my plans and so tell me if I am making a wise or foolish
choice.

I may wait a little to see if Apple will add more in their base MacBook
Pro's. But for the moment I plan to add the extra RAM to make it 4GB,
the 250GB hard drive, and Windows XP Home. I plan to make the purchase
from MacMall. I do not plan to also buy Office 2008, as I have Office
2004 which I have no problems with and use on a daily basis. Am I being
foolish, or should I wait?

As I understand I will be able to run most of my PPC Tiger apps. I also
understand that Migration assistant should be able to copy the data and
apps from the Tiger Mac to the SL Mac. Dp I need a FireWire cable for
this, a USB cable, or can this be done via WI-FI? This may be a bad idea
considering the random kernel panics, so perhaps ethernet, FireWire or
USB would be best performed in Safe mode on the Tiger Mac. I suppose I
will then need to go to Office depot and buy a cable. Or if this can be
done via WI-FI I hope it will work without a panic. But if I get one, I
hope the SL mac does not get messed up.

Thanks,

John
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JF Mezei - 08 Feb 2010 23:07 GMT
> I may wait a little to see if Apple will add more in their base MacBook
> Pro's. But for the moment I plan to add the extra RAM to make it 4GB,
> the 250GB hard drive, and Windows XP Home.

Intel has just released updates to all of their CPUs, with a Nehalem
update coming real soon now.  "Core" offerings have been updated.

How long before this translates to new/updated laptop products, I do not
know.
Alan Browne - 08 Feb 2010 23:43 GMT
>> I may wait a little to see if Apple will add more in their base MacBook
>> Pro's. But for the moment I plan to add the extra RAM to make it 4GB,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> How long before this translates to new/updated laptop products, I do not
> know.

The prospect of an "Core i7 Extreme" ("Beckton") with 6 cores and a dual
processor installation in a Mac Pro has a certain appeal.

Add 16 GB of really fast Mem and you'd have a real killer of a machine.

Then if PS would release CS5 implementing GCD and OpenCL, working on
really large files would be a snap.

For video production it would be great too.  Just add more memory.

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Adib Mahouli - 08 Feb 2010 23:50 GMT
>> I may wait a little to see if Apple will add more in their base MacBook
>> Pro's. But for the moment I plan to add the extra RAM to make it 4GB,
>> the 250GB hard drive, and Windows XP Home.
>
> Intel has just released updates to all of their CPUs, with a Nehalem
> update coming real soon now.  "Core" offerings have been updated.

2 years after the introduction of the I series, it's about time.

> How long before this translates to new/updated laptop products, I do not
> know.

Very good question indeed, since Apple now introduces in the IPad a
Cortex-A9 MPCore based CPU that is far from ready for prime time: it
doesn't offer multitasking and HDMI out, as a Cortex-A9 MPCore should.

So, it's very hard to predict whether Apple's marketing schemes will
bring products to the market too early or way too late but, for now, one
think is sure: Apple won't succeed in pulling the rug under the
competition's feet this lame A4 CPU.

The iPad will be obsolete soon as it comes out and will be replaced with
a newer hyper-hyped model what will then meet the competition's specs...
at twice the price, as usual.
nospam - 08 Feb 2010 23:51 GMT
> Very good question indeed, since Apple now introduces in the IPad a
> Cortex-A9 MPCore based CPU that is far from ready for prime time: it
> doesn't offer multitasking and HDMI out, as a Cortex-A9 MPCore should.

it offers multitasking and hdmi is overkill for the target market.

> So, it's very hard to predict whether Apple's marketing schemes will
> bring products to the market too early or way too late but, for now, one
> think is sure: Apple won't succeed in pulling the rug under the
> competition's feet this lame A4 CPU.

nothing lame about it.

> The iPad will be obsolete soon as it comes out and will be replaced with
> a newer hyper-hyped model what will then meet the competition's specs...
> at twice the price, as usual.

nonsense.
Adib Mahouli - 09 Feb 2010 01:03 GMT
>> Very good question indeed, since Apple now introduces in the IPad a
>> Cortex-A9 MPCore based CPU that is far from ready for prime time: it
>> doesn't offer multitasking and HDMI out, as a Cortex-A9 MPCore should.
>
> it offers multitasking and hdmi is overkill for the target market.

Kind of, but who cares if you can get it for the same price? Why get the
lemon introduced too soon and which will have to be upgraded a few
months later? Maybe your wife or kids will someday be interested in
watching another HDMI movie than you.

If anybody can provide me a tablet with an i7 cpu with 12 hour battery
life for $500, I won't complain it's overkil, I'll just grab it. Same
goes for the Tegra2 (NVIDIA) and SnapDragon (Quallcom) based computers
that will appear on the market in March/April.

Those won't be rushed to the market CPUs. They will be the real thing.
Inquire about the Cortex-A9 MPcore CPUs at Wikipedia. It will provide a
vision of what Apple's A4 should really look like.
nospam - 09 Feb 2010 01:09 GMT
> >> Very good question indeed, since Apple now introduces in the IPad a
> >> Cortex-A9 MPCore based CPU that is far from ready for prime time: it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Kind of, but who cares if you can get it for the same price?

which product has hdmi and everything else that the ipad has for the
same price?

> Why get the
> lemon introduced too soon and which will have to be upgraded a few
> months later? Maybe your wife or kids will someday be interested in
> watching another HDMI movie than you.

on a handheld device?

> If anybody can provide me a tablet with an i7 cpu with 12 hour battery
> life for $500, I won't complain it's overkil, I'll just grab it. Same
> goes for the Tegra2 (NVIDIA) and SnapDragon (Quallcom) based computers
> that will appear on the market in March/April.

so where is this mythical i7 tablet?
J.J. O'Shea - 09 Feb 2010 03:48 GMT
>> Very good question indeed, since Apple now introduces in the IPad a
>> Cortex-A9 MPCore based CPU that is far from ready for prime time: it
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> nonsense.

You're talking to Priam. Of course he's sprouting nonsense, it's what he
does.

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Richard Maine - 09 Feb 2010 03:54 GMT
> You're talking to Priam. Of course he's sprouting nonsense, it's what he
> does.

Yeah. I figured that out right *AFTER* I made the mistake of answering
one of his postings in this thread. What I belatedly figured out was
that it was Priam. That he specializes in spouting nonsense is long
known.

I didn't notice at first because it seemed a slightly different brand of
nonsense than his usual. But it later became obvious.

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Priam - 09 Feb 2010 04:33 GMT
On 02/08/2010 11:14 PM, Priam wrote:
> On 02/08/2010 10:54 PM, Richard Maine wrote:
>> J.J. O'Shea<try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote:
>>
>>> You're talking to Priam. Of course he's sprouting nonsense, it's
what he
>>> does.
>>
>> Yeah. I figured that out right *AFTER* I made the mistake of answering
>> one of his postings in this thread.

Arrrrgh, right after! Why don't you use the JJ O'sh.t method.

If it's a new name and the guy isn't spurting out brainwashing mentras
word for word, it might indeed be Priam.
nospam - 08 Feb 2010 23:22 GMT
In article
<jwolf6589-19885F.17521808022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,

> I may wait a little to see if Apple will add more in their base MacBook
> Pro's. But for the moment I plan to add the extra RAM to make it 4GB,
> the 250GB hard drive, and Windows XP Home. I plan to make the purchase
> from MacMall. I do not plan to also buy Office 2008, as I have Office
> 2004 which I have no problems with and use on a daily basis. Am I being
> foolish, or should I wait?

a macbook pro update is imminent. it might be as soon as tomorrow
(according to some rumours) or it might be a few weeks. i doubt it will
be more than a month or two. no guarantees of course, and when there is
an update, the current models will be discounted.

> As I understand I will be able to run most of my PPC Tiger apps.

just about every powerpc app will run fine, other than virtual pc, and
vmware is *much* faster anyway. however, apps that require classic will
not run.

> I also
> understand that Migration assistant should be able to copy the data and
> apps from the Tiger Mac to the SL Mac. Dp I need a FireWire cable for
> this, a USB cable, or can this be done via WI-FI?

firewire is preferred, but ethernet or wifi can work, although you
really *don't* want to do it over wifi. it can also be done from a
backup that's on an external hard drive, in which case usb would also
work.

> This may be a bad idea
> considering the random kernel panics, so perhaps ethernet, FireWire or
> USB would be best performed in Safe mode on the Tiger Mac. I suppose I
> will then need to go to Office depot and buy a cable.

kernel panics on your current system are not going to migrate over. it
copies your data and apps, not system files. also, there are less
expensive places to get a cable than office depot.

> Or if this can be
> done via WI-FI I hope it will work without a panic. But if I get one, I
> hope the SL mac does not get messed up.

it can, if you don't mind waiting. what might take a couple hours over
firewire will probably take a day over wifi.
John - 09 Feb 2010 01:00 GMT
> kernel panics on your current system are not going to migrate over. it
> copies your data and apps, not system files. also, there are less
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> it can, if you don't mind waiting. what might take a couple hours over
> firewire will probably take a day over wifi.

Best Buy? So looks like I need to go to Best Buy for a FireWire cable.

John
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nospam - 09 Feb 2010 01:06 GMT
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<jwolf6589-98F841.20004508022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,

> Best Buy? So looks like I need to go to Best Buy for a FireWire cable.

mail order.
John - 09 Feb 2010 01:12 GMT
> In article
> <jwolf6589-98F841.20004508022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
>
> > Best Buy? So looks like I need to go to Best Buy for a FireWire cable.
>
> mail order.

MacMall? Wait I have ethernet and will use that instead as the iBook has
FW 400.
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nospam - 09 Feb 2010 01:17 GMT
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> > > Best Buy? So looks like I need to go to Best Buy for a FireWire cable.
> >
> > mail order.
>
> MacMall? Wait I have ethernet and will use that instead as the iBook has
> FW 400.

$4.88 for 6 pin to 9 pin
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Mike Rosenberg - 09 Feb 2010 01:22 GMT
> MacMall? Wait I have ethernet and will use that instead as the iBook has
> FW 400.

If you do it that way, your iBook will be running the OS and could have
a kernel panic while you're doing the transfer. If you do it via
Firewire, it will be running in target disk mode, which means it will
basically just be an external hard drive. It's less likely that anything
will interrupt the migration that way.

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John - 09 Feb 2010 10:35 GMT
> > MacMall? Wait I have ethernet and will use that instead as the iBook has
> > FW 400.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> basically just be an external hard drive. It's less likely that anything
> will interrupt the migration that way.

Okay I will do it this way. Maybe I'll just buy a FW cable at depot or
Best Buy and return it after use. Or maybe it would be better to keep
it. I dont want a kernel panic and my new MacBook will have FW 400 which
works fine for my Camcorder.

John
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Steven Fisher - 09 Feb 2010 17:20 GMT
> Okay I will do it this way. Maybe I'll just buy a FW cable at depot or
> Best Buy and return it after use. Or maybe it would be better to keep
> it. I dont want a kernel panic and my new MacBook will have FW 400 which
> works fine for my Camcorder.

Elsewhere in this same thread you talk about integrity. You should be
able to see the problem in this first plan without prompting. :)
Don Bruder - 09 Feb 2010 17:56 GMT
> > Okay I will do it this way. Maybe I'll just buy a FW cable at depot or
> > Best Buy and return it after use. Or maybe it would be better to keep
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Elsewhere in this same thread you talk about integrity. You should be
> able to see the problem in this first plan without prompting. :)

Are you kidding? This is the guy who can't comprehend "Just because
testing can't FIND a problem doesn't mean that THERE IS no problem"! Yet
you expect him to twig to "integrity" as it applies to him???

Boy, are YOU a dreamer!

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John - 09 Feb 2010 23:23 GMT
> > Okay I will do it this way. Maybe I'll just buy a FW cable at depot or
> > Best Buy and return it after use. Or maybe it would be better to keep
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Elsewhere in this same thread you talk about integrity. You should be
> able to see the problem in this first plan without prompting. :)

Bought one on ebay for $5.
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Alan Browne - 08 Feb 2010 23:34 GMT
> These are my plans and so tell me if I am making a wise or foolish
> choice.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> 2004 which I have no problems with and use on a daily basis. Am I being
> foolish, or should I wait?

Office 2004 does not offer very much more than 2008.  For that matter
the 2004 I had crashed a lot before I turned it in for iWork ... and
eventually back to Office 2008.

I'd recommend 500 GB of HD.  It's not that much more cash, but a hell of
a lot more storage.  Thus if you install VMWare Fusion to run WinXP in
parallel (not in Parallels) you won't use up too much HD.  (I have 60GB
partition for WinXP, perhaps less will be enough for you).

> As I understand I will be able to run most of my PPC Tiger apps. I also
> understand that Migration assistant should be able to copy the data and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> done via WI-FI I hope it will work without a panic. But if I get one, I
> hope the SL mac does not get messed up.

See: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3322 and pay heed: "Note: If you
experienced issues while using some files or applications on your
previous computer, you may not want to transfer those files and
applications to your new computer. If you do, you may transfer issues or
incompatible files."

You should be able to do it regardless of _network_ interface.  I think
that leaves out USB.  However, WiFi will be nearly 10x slower than
Firewire 800 (if you have 800 on the old machine).  If you don't mind
letting it take a long time, it's no big deal how you get it across.
Can always go to bed once the xfer begins.

If you don't have a home network then a straight or crossover ethernet
cable should work (w/o passing through a router or switch).  (The
Macbook will automatically "crossover" for lack of a better
description).  (At 10 Mbps will work too, but will take quite a bit more
time.  Hopefully your old machine has at least a 100 Mbps ethernet.

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Adib Mahouli - 09 Feb 2010 00:18 GMT
>> These are my plans and so tell me if I am making a wise or foolish
>> choice.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I'd recommend 500 GB of HD. It's not that much more cash, but a hell of
> a lot more storage.

I couldn't agree more. Here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136314

you can get a WD for $89.99. But Apple might use the lowest bidder
Samsung on their laptops:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152168

You save an extra $15!

So all you have to do is, when you recieve your brand you computer, you
take a day or two to open it, you replace the 160GB HD -- which you take
a day or two to sell on eBay -- and you save the extra $200 Apple asks
for a *switch* from 160GB to 500GB.

Of course, this will void your guarantee, but who cares, those things
last forever... unless Apple has set the fan to only start spinning full
speed when the laptop is too hot to handle. You must understand that
bragging about battery life is very important to Apple: it makes all the
here girlies completely wet.

But, who cares, you said you're rich, didn't you?

> See: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3322 and pay heed: "Note: If you
> experienced issues while using some files or applications on your
> previous computer, you may not want to transfer those files and
> applications to your new computer. If you do, you may transfer issues or
> incompatible files."

I couldn't agree more. Just don't sell your troubles on eBay! Keep both
computers: one to handle present crashing files, one to handle future
crashing files.

Man, this group is full of sound advice!
nospam - 09 Feb 2010 00:20 GMT
> So all you have to do is, when you recieve your brand you computer, you
> take a day or two to open it, you replace the 160GB HD

takes about ten minutes, tops.

> Of course, this will void your guarantee, but who cares, those things
> last forever...

it does not void the warranty.
John - 09 Feb 2010 01:07 GMT
> > So all you have to do is, when you recieve your brand you computer, you
> > take a day or two to open it, you replace the 160GB HD
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> it does not void the warranty.

Adding a hard drive to the iBook G4 takes HOURS. So the MacBook Pro is
that easy to open? I was thinking about the 250GB HD. That should be
PLENTY for me. 80GB is PLENTY on my IbOok for me.
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nospam - 09 Feb 2010 01:13 GMT
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> Adding a hard drive to the iBook G4 takes HOURS.

actually it's about 30-45 minutes.

> So the MacBook Pro is that easy to open?

*much* easier. the ones from last year the drive is visible under the
battery cover:
<http://images.appleinsider.com/mb15alumunbox-081016-27.jpg>

but now that they've gone to an internal battery, you just need to
remove the bottom lid which is nothing more than a bunch of screws.

> I was thinking about the 250GB HD. That should be
> PLENTY for me. 80GB is PLENTY on my IbOok for me.

then don't worry about it.
Adib Mahouli - 09 Feb 2010 01:48 GMT
On 02/08/2010 08:34 PM, Adib Mahouli wrote:
> On 02/08/2010 08:07 PM, John wrote:

>> Adding a hard drive to the iBook G4 takes HOURS. So the MacBook Pro
>> is that easy to open?

Absolutely! Don't trust your experience. Just ask nospam to send you his
fingers via express mail. You'll see, it will take no time at all.

I mean, the guy is honest. His nick is nospam. It's not like if he was
one of those spammers preaching the Apple gospel!

>> I was thinking about the 250GB HD. That should be
>> PLENTY for me. 80GB is PLENTY on my IbOok for me.

Absolutely! Since Apple asks thrice the price for HDs, all you have to
do is settle for less.

Easy!
Dan - 09 Feb 2010 01:56 GMT
>all you have to do is settle for less.

Since you are running Linux, you clearly are an expert in settling for
less.
Adib Mahouli - 09 Feb 2010 03:52 GMT
>> all you have to do is settle for less.
>
> Since you are running Linux, you clearly are an expert in settling for
> less.

Maybe we should give the full quote so people don't misunderstand. I wrote:

"Absolutely! Since Apple asks thrice the price for HDs, all you have to
do is settle for less."

But, in the end, you're absolutely right, you touched my soft spot, I am
really poor. You must understand that not all people in the world can be
as rich as you artist Americans, with your credit card's balance all
paid up every month.

No, I'm not like this. I'm really poor. Well... poor. Not as poor as the
Chinese -- who make all your iMacs, iPhones, iTouch, iPad, iTv, and all
other Me, Myself and I stuff -- and manage to pay 780 billions of your
public debt, but poor nonetheless.

That's why I have to use an OS that runs on more than 80% of the most
powerful computers in the world. Of course, you must understand that I
really crave to run your gruyère Mach kernel that Charlie Miller is
getting $5,000 to crack at every Pwn2Own contest, but I can't afford it.

I'm afraid I can't afford a gruyère kernel.
Dan - 09 Feb 2010 04:17 GMT
> I'm afraid I can't afford a gruyère kernel.

So you settle for less.  Like I said.
Adib Mahouli - 09 Feb 2010 01:19 GMT
>> So all you have to do is, when you recieve your brand you computer, you
>> take a day or two to open it, you replace the 160GB HD
>
> takes about ten minutes, tops.

Well, I've seen those guys opening up iMacs on Youtube in about 15
minutes. I do believe they had some practice before performing, though.
It's the first time that takes so much longer.

But I agree opening a brand new computer in order not to have to pay
Apple thrice the price is real fun. It tells you a lot about the bargain
you had when buying the computer itself.

>> Of course, this will void your guarantee, but who cares, those things
>> last forever...
>
> it does not void the warranty.

Yeap, as Apple puts it:

Hard Drive
Replacement Instructions
Follow the instructions in this document carefully. Failure to follow
these instructions could
damage your equipment and void its warranty.

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/MacBook_13inch_HardDrive_DIY.pdf

and who's to determine if you followed the instructions "carefully"?
Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 01:58 GMT
> Hard Drive
> Replacement Instructions
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> and who's to determine if you followed the instructions "carefully"?

You're being deliberately obtuse.  The same "conditions" apply to adding
or changing a disk in any PC or other system.  This is not a hard change
to do.

Anyone worried about it can find a helpful hand not far away.

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Priam - 09 Feb 2010 04:45 GMT
>> Hard Drive
>> Replacement Instructions
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> or changing a disk in any PC or other system. This is not a hard change
> to do.

> Anyone worried about it can find a helpful hand not far away.
>
> Even you.

I don't need anybody's help to open my PC. Just so you can figure it
out, my $680 PC looks like a $3000 Mac Pro. It's very easy to add or
change any hardware you want. It doesn't look like an iScrap.

Hence my advice to would be MacPro buyers:

Why not buy a netbook or tablet when the ARM Cortex-A9 MPcore come out.
It will have more than enough power to handle HDMI out, and
multitasking. Get a good quality Lenovo or Asus with a 12" screen and an
SSD disk.

Since Windows doesn't handle ARM processors, Linux or Android will be
installed by default and work wonderfully. You won't even have to
install Linux!

Meanwhile, run a desktop PC built by an independant local shop.

Altogether, mainly it you want an hi-spec-ed MacBook Pro, it will cost
you much less, you will encourage at least a bit local economy and
you'll have 2 computers at your disposal instead of one.
nospam - 09 Feb 2010 06:44 GMT
> I don't need anybody's help to open my PC.

you certainly need help for other things though.
Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 21:13 GMT
>>> Hard Drive
>>> Replacement Instructions
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> I don't need anybody's help to open my PC.

I applaud your context twisting which has nothing to do with the issue
at hand.  There are a lot of people who would not dare change a disk in
their PC as well - same applies to any laptop.  Or changing the heating
element in a clothes dryer.  Some are comfortable with these things,
some are not.

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Priam - 10 Feb 2010 03:22 GMT
On 02/09/2010 07:13 PM, Priam wrote:
> On 02/09/2010 04:13 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 10-02-08 23:46 , Priam wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>>>
>>>> You're being deliberately obtuse. The same "conditions" apply to
adding
>>>> or changing a disk in any PC or other system. This is not a hard
change
>>>> to do.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> I applaud your context twisting which has nothing to do with the issue
>> at hand.

Let's see...

>> There are a lot of people who would not dare change a disk in
>> their PC as well

No doubt, but I'd rather change a HD in a PC than in any Mac, except a
Mac Pro.

>> - same applies to any laptop.

Yes, laptops are more of a problem to open. But how many people who buy
MacBooks really need MacBooks? Not too many IMHO. That's why I said to
Davoud:

Why not buy a netbook or tablet when the ARM Cortex-A9 MPcore comes out?
It will have more than enough power to handle HDMI out, and
multitasking. You buy a good quality Lenovo or Asus with a 12" screen
and an SSD disk.

Since Windows doesn't handle ARM processors, Linux or Android will be
installed by default and work wonderfully. You won't even have to
install Linux!

Meanwhile, you run a good quality shop built desktop PC with Linux
installed.

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And you get two computers for the price of one, maybe less.

This is a solution that makes sense. Who's twisting reality?
Richard Maine - 09 Feb 2010 02:20 GMT
> >> Of course, this will void your guarantee, but who cares, those things
> >> last forever...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> and who's to determine if you followed the instructions "carefully"?

Apple. The same as they do if you don't open the computer at all. If
they judge that you broke the computer, then the warranty won't cover
it. That really has nothing to do with whether or not you opened the
computer. If you drop the computer in a lake, the warranty won't cover
that. If you rip something apart while changing a hard drive, the
warrantee won't cover that either. If you expect Apple to be dishonest
in the evaluation of whether you trashed the computer by replacing a
hard drive, then I don't know why you would trust them in their
evaluation of whether you broke the computer without opening it.

And in any case, reread what you just quoted. There is no judgement
about whether you followed the instructions carefully. Failure to follow
the instructions is *NOT* what voids the warranty any more than opening
the case is. Damaging the equipment is what voids the warranty. That is
what they would be evaluating - whether you damaged the equipment or
not. It is very possible to damage a computer without opening the case;
trust me on that one, as I have first-hand experience. :-)

The warnings are just saying that opening the case opens up extra ways
for you to damage the equipment (particularly if you are clumsy about
it). That is true.

But claiming that opening the case itself does not violate the warranty.
It is simply factually wrong to claim that it does. Rationalizations
don't change that. You might as well claim that plugging the computer in
will violate the warranty. It can, you know. I suppose modern Apple's
can probably take 220 (though I've never tried it), but if you manage to
find an industrial 480 socket (and some kind of adaptor) and plug your
Apple into that, it likely will fry, and that will void the warranty.
That possibility gives me just as much legitimacy in saying that
plugging in your computer voids the warranty as you have in saying that
replacing the hard drive voids the warranty.

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Priam - 09 Feb 2010 03:56 GMT
>>>> Of course, this will void your guarantee, but who cares, those things
>>>> last forever...
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> they judge that you broke the computer, then the warranty won't cover
> it.

I suppose that's how they determined that leaking G5s owners had broken
their flawed design.
Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 21:15 GMT
>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/MacBook_13inch_HardDrive_DIY.pdf
>>
>> and who's to determine if you followed the instructions "carefully"?

> If you expect Apple to be dishonest
> in the evaluation of whether you trashed the computer by replacing a
> hard drive, then I don't know why you would trust them in their
> evaluation of whether you broke the computer without opening it.

Very well put.

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Priam - 10 Feb 2010 03:26 GMT
On 02/09/2010 07:14 PM, Priam wrote:
> On 02/09/2010 04:15 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 10-02-08 21:20 , Richard Maine wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>> Very well put.

Once again, I'll put it even better. How can you trust a company that
puts out a flawed design like the liquid cool G5s and, then, tell the
client it's just too bad he didn't buy AppleCare and pretend it's his
problem.
John - 09 Feb 2010 01:06 GMT
> I couldn't agree more. Just don't sell your troubles on eBay! Keep both
> computers: one to handle present crashing files, one to handle future
> crashing files.
>
> Man, this group is full of sound advice!

No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
sell. And another advantage is I do not have to deal with paypal.

John
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Adib Mahouli - 09 Feb 2010 02:06 GMT
On 02/08/2010 08:39 PM, Adib Mahouli wrote:
> On 02/08/2010 08:06 PM, John wrote:
>> In article<hkq9jc$6ei$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
>> sell. And another advantage is I do not have to deal with paypal.

Sound idea!

Why don't you start a thread explaining how great CraigList and Amazon
are when you want to acquire real solid hardware with no kernel crashes.

After all, isn't this exactly what the honest people who counsel you on
this group suggested you do earlier?

The Mac world is just fascinating. People who want to sell their broken
hardware at extravagant prices find that eBay, CraigList and Amazon is
just what they need and, at the same time, suggest that whould-be Mac
owners escape Apple's swindle by buying where they sell their crappy stuff.

What fun Apple is! You open brand new computers to install NewEgg
drives, you play the game of buying f.cked up used material, just so
that you don't feel you've been had buying a Mac instead of a PC.

Mac users know better about the good life. Hey, you buy a Mac, you don't
have to play poker!
Mike Rosenberg - 09 Feb 2010 02:46 GMT
> No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
> for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
> sell. And another advantage is I do not have to deal with paypal.

Excuse me? You're going to sell an iBook with a defective motherboard?
Do you really think something would pay for that? Or were you planning
to not mention that fact? And, if so, what would you do when the buyer
told you about all the kernel panics he/she had?

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Priam - 09 Feb 2010 04:25 GMT
>> No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
>> for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
>> sell. And another advantage is I do not have to deal with paypal.
>
> Excuse me? You're going to sell an iBook with a defective motherboard?

Well, of course. That's what everybody here does. Why the hell would you
sell a computer in perfect order on Craigslist, Amazon or eBay?

It seems, these brainwashing days, everybody wants a Mac. So, if you
wanted to sell a top shape Mac at a decent price, you'd sell it to you
nephew, a poor student, to a neighbour, who you're in good terms with,
and surely to your mother, who doesn't care much about Photoshop and gaming.

When you have a good deal, you offer it first to people you care about,
not total strangers. The problem is, when they figure out your "good
deal", your friends will find they can get a brand new PC for the same
price.

So, people must be taught about the good deals they can make on
Craigslist. And that's what happens right here: they learn from crap
sellers. :) That's what happened to our friend John a bit earlier, i
believe? Isn't it him who was complaing his budget was a little tight
and suggested to buy used?

Fortunately, it wasn't Davoud who made the suggestion:

<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/thread/b067d27f
31546018/40f8390cc20304c4?q=#40f8390cc20304c4
>

Mac World is a wonderful world... for Mac Morons. You have to be
special. Really special.
Dan - 09 Feb 2010 04:35 GMT
> Mac World is a wonderful world... for Mac Morons. You have to be
> special. Really special.

Whereas Linux Luser World is for Special Needs people.
nospam - 09 Feb 2010 06:44 GMT
> > No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
> > for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
> > sell. And another advantage is I do not have to deal with paypal.
>
> Excuse me? You're going to sell an iBook with a defective motherboard?

people do that all the time.

> Do you really think something would pay for that?

people pay ridiculous prices for broken ibooks and other macs on ebay.
i've seen water damaged ipod touches go for $10-20 less than a refurb
from apple. it's f.cked up.

> Or were you planning
> to not mention that fact? And, if so, what would you do when the buyer
> told you about all the kernel panics he/she had?

if it's disclosed up front, there is no issue at all.

on the other hand, if he says it's in perfect shape when it really
isn't, that's different.
John - 09 Feb 2010 10:42 GMT
> > > No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
> > > for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> on the other hand, if he says it's in perfect shape when it really
> isn't, that's different.

I would not lie. But I woulod say good for parts and sold as is. Since
it has a 1GB RAM chip and a 80GB hard drive I'm sure there will be
interest.

John
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Priam - 09 Feb 2010 15:48 GMT
>> Excuse me? You're going to sell an iBook with a defective motherboard?
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> if it's disclosed up front, there is no issue at all.

See, Rosie? That's the way it works. Seller writes:

"I was at this Vietnamese restaurant, the other day and I dropped my
iPhone in me soup. Gee, it was steaming hot and it took 2 minutes before
I got it out.

"Best bid. No extra for noodles."

And Maccies flock from around the world to get their bite at this rotten
Apple. Sad state of the Union, don't you think? Steve's brainwashing
works even on crapped out equipment.
John - 09 Feb 2010 10:39 GMT
> > No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
> > for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to not mention that fact? And, if so, what would you do when the buyer
> told you about all the kernel panics he/she had?

I would not lie but I would say something like "sold as is" and mention
it if he/she asked. Or I may sell it and say "good for parts."

But regardless integrity would say I need to sell it for allot less. I
see different prices on ebay and amazon.com so I'll probably base my
price on amaozon.

John
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Matthew Russotto - 11 Feb 2010 02:04 GMT
>> No I was thinking about CraigsList or amazon.com. I can get more money
>> for the iBook than on Ebay and plus I dont pay a fee if it does not
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>to not mention that fact? And, if so, what would you do when the buyer
>told you about all the kernel panics he/she had?

I suspect an iBook with a defective motherboard probably would sell
for parts, even if honestly advertised.
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Mike Rosenberg - 11 Feb 2010 13:59 GMT
> >Excuse me? You're going to sell an iBook with a defective motherboard?
> >Do you really think something would pay for that? Or were you planning
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> I suspect an iBook with a defective motherboard probably would sell
> for parts, even if honestly advertised.

You're probably right, but I was really wondering if he planned to
mention that fact.

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John - 09 Feb 2010 01:03 GMT
> You should be able to do it regardless of _network_ interface.  I think
> that leaves out USB.  However, WiFi will be nearly 10x slower than
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> description).  (At 10 Mbps will work too, but will take quite a bit more
> time.  Hopefully your old machine has at least a 100 Mbps ethernet.

iBook G4 has FireWire 400 and 100 MPS ethernet. So I better buy a
FireWire cable at Best Buy?
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Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 01:55 GMT
>> You should be able to do it regardless of _network_ interface.  I think
>> that leaves out USB.  However, WiFi will be nearly 10x slower than
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> iBook G4 has FireWire 400 and 100 MPS ethernet. So I better buy a
> FireWire cable at Best Buy?

Wherever.  Google for it.  Mind the connector types on the MBPro (800
and 400 or just 800?) and the G4.  Make sure you get the right type or
adaptor cables too.

OTOH, if you have a patch cable for ethernet (crossover or not - the new
MBPro will sort it out) then that alone should do the job.  Just,
approx. 4x slower.  That may not really matter if it is something you do
once - esp. while you sleep off all this anxiety.

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Mike Rosenberg - 09 Feb 2010 02:46 GMT
> OTOH, if you have a patch cable for ethernet (crossover or not - the new
> MBPro will sort it out) then that alone should do the job.  Just,
> approx. 4x slower.  That may not really matter if it is something you do
> once - esp. while you sleep off all this anxiety.

Except for the fact that the reason he's buying a MBP is because his
iBook has a hardware problem that's causing frequent kernel panics, and
there's a much greater chance that his migration will fail if he doesn't
use target disk mode.

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John - 09 Feb 2010 10:44 GMT
> > OTOH, if you have a patch cable for ethernet (crossover or not - the new
> > MBPro will sort it out) then that alone should do the job.  Just,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> there's a much greater chance that his migration will fail if he doesn't
> use target disk mode.

I will need to buy a FW 400 cable at Best Buy or somewhere with a cheap
price tag. I will shop around.

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Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 21:16 GMT
>> OTOH, if you have a patch cable for ethernet (crossover or not - the new
>> MBPro will sort it out) then that alone should do the job.  Just,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> there's a much greater chance that his migration will fail if he doesn't
> use target disk mode.

I didn't know that TDM was limited to FW.

John, looks like you're stuck wasting cash on a cable you probably don't
really need.

Any friends that can loan you one?

(Reduce, Reuse, Recycle : see first and second "R"'s).

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Mike Rosenberg - 09 Feb 2010 21:47 GMT
> I didn't know that TDM was limited to FW.

Yep. A network transfer by Migration Assistant requires the source Mac
to be booted normally.

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Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 22:08 GMT
>> I didn't know that TDM was limited to FW.
>
> Yep. A network transfer by Migration Assistant requires the source Mac
> to be booted normally.

As I sent that out I thought about that.  Comes down to what interface
drivers are loaded in TDM.

It is as if the source, in TDM mode would be required to also load a
TCP/IP (or narrower variant) driver to talk to the dest. Mac for this
singular purpose.  Too bad Apple didn't think of that. <rhetorical>

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Mike Rosenberg - 09 Feb 2010 22:12 GMT
> >> I didn't know that TDM was limited to FW.
> >
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> TCP/IP (or narrower variant) driver to talk to the dest. Mac for this
> singular purpose.  Too bad Apple didn't think of that. <rhetorical>

One thing to add - Apple actually calls it Firewire Target Disk Mode. We
just usual shorten it in conversation.

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Alan Browne - 09 Feb 2010 22:45 GMT
>>>> I didn't know that TDM was limited to FW.
>>>
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> One thing to add - Apple actually calls it Firewire Target Disk Mode. We
> just usual shorten it in conversation.

I just checked the Apple site.  But the way it's written there does not
convey a product title or feature.  Other articles on the Apple site
drop the Firewire altogether. "eg: " ... and click Target Disk Mode."

I'd make a snide remark towards Apple at the notion that it is confined
to FW (esp. in light of Macbooks that don't have FW), but I think my
snide remark buffer towards Apple is full for the next while.

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Matthew Russotto - 11 Feb 2010 02:17 GMT
>One thing to add - Apple actually calls it Firewire Target Disk Mode. We
>just usual shorten it in conversation.

That is because there used to be a SCSI Disk Mode.  Same idea,
only you needed a special cable and had to sacrifice a chicken for it
to work.

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Steve Hix - 11 Feb 2010 03:40 GMT
> >One thing to add - Apple actually calls it Firewire Target Disk Mode. We
> >just usual shorten it in conversation.
>
> That is because there used to be a SCSI Disk Mode.  Same idea,
> only you needed a special cable and had to sacrifice a chicken for it
> to work.

You forgot the black candle, I think.

And not just any chicken would do.
Michael Siemon - 11 Feb 2010 04:20 GMT
> > >One thing to add - Apple actually calls it Firewire Target Disk Mode. We
> > >just usual shorten it in conversation.
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>
> And not just any chicken would do.

I seem to recall that for more major usage one needed a goat...
Mike Rosenberg - 11 Feb 2010 13:59 GMT
> > And not just any chicken would do.
>
> I seem to recall that for more major usage one needed a goat...

That's if you didn't have a _Purdue_ chicken, and one of these breast
gauges.

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> > > And not just any chicken would do.
> >
> > I seem to recall that for more major usage one needed a goat...
>
> That's if you didn't have a _Purdue_ chicken, and one of these breast
> gauges.

As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely associated
with certain colleges in Maryland.

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Mike Rosenberg - 11 Feb 2010 20:57 GMT
> > That's if you didn't have a _Purdue_ chicken, and one of these breast
> > gauges.
>
> As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely associated
> with certain colleges in Maryland.

Oh lord, what a dumb cluck I am!

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> > > That's if you didn't have a _Purdue_ chicken, and one of these breast
> > > gauges.
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> Oh lord, what a dumb cluck I am!

At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)

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Mike Rosenberg - 11 Feb 2010 21:14 GMT
> > > As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely associated
> > > with certain colleges in Maryland.
> >
> > Oh lord, what a dumb cluck I am!
>
> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)

Yes, but I'm not going to crow about it, either.

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> > > > As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely associated
> > > > with certain colleges in Maryland.
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>
> Yes, but I'm not going to crow about it, either.

Oooh, talk about laying an egg!

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Michelle Steiner - 11 Feb 2010 22:01 GMT
> > > > > As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely
> > > > > associated with certain colleges in Maryland.
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> Oooh, talk about laying an egg!

Be nice, Tom; don't be so hard boiled.

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Tom Stiller - 11 Feb 2010 22:54 GMT
> > > > > > As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely
> > > > > > associated with certain colleges in Maryland.
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> Be nice, Tom; don't be so hard boiled.

Well, I've been in hot water most of my life.

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JF Mezei - 11 Feb 2010 23:05 GMT
>> > At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>
>> Yes, but I'm not going to crow about it, either.
>
> Oooh, talk about laying an egg!

Is this fowl language permitted in this newsgroup ?
Richard Maine - 11 Feb 2010 23:17 GMT
> >> > At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
> >>
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>
> Is this fowl language permitted in this newsgroup ?

Not hensforth.

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Mike Rosenberg - 12 Feb 2010 00:01 GMT
> > >> > At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
> > >>
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>
> Not hensforth.

Nor is flipping the bird.

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Alan Browne - 12 Feb 2010 00:14 GMT
>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>>>
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>
> Not hensforth.

This thread is turning into a cockup.

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Nick Naym - 12 Feb 2010 05:26 GMT
>>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>>>>
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>
> This thread is turning into a cockup.

That's because there are too many folks scrambling to make jokes.

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Michelle Steiner - 12 Feb 2010 05:46 GMT
> >>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
> >>>>>
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>
> That's because there are too many folks scrambling to make jokes.

I guess that the yolk is on you, in that case.

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Mark Twitlight - 12 Feb 2010 05:55 GMT
>>>>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>>>>>>
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>
> I guess that the yolk is on you, in that case.

Good thing you folks complain about trolls filling the group with
useless junk.
Michelle Steiner - 12 Feb 2010 16:00 GMT
> >>>>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
> >>>>>>>
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> Good thing you folks complain about trolls filling the group with
> useless junk.

No, we complain about them being obnoxious a.sholes.  There really is a
difference.

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J.J. O'Shea - 12 Feb 2010 17:46 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
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> No, we complain about them being obnoxious a.sholes.  There really is a
> difference.

One of Priam's many problems (apart from his nymshifting, that is) is that he
totally lacks anything even vaguely resembling a sense of humor.

As he lacks anything even vaguely resembling sense, period, this should not
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Michelle Steiner - 12 Feb 2010 17:53 GMT
> One of Priam's many problems (apart from his nymshifting, that is) is
> that he totally lacks anything even vaguely resembling a sense of humor.

He picked an almost correct nym this time; only he is not a Twitlight; he's
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Nick Naym - 12 Feb 2010 05:57 GMT
>>>>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>>>>>>
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>
> I guess that the yolk is on you, in that case.

Yup...I got egg on my face.

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Tom Stiller - 12 Feb 2010 12:48 GMT
> > >>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
> > >>>>>
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>
> I guess that the yolk is on you, in that case.

You make it difficult to remain Sunny Side Up.

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Michelle Steiner - 12 Feb 2010 15:57 GMT
> > > >>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
> > > >>>>>
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>
> You make it difficult to remain Sunny Side Up.

Did you have to scramble to come up with that one?

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Mike Rosenberg - 12 Feb 2010 22:13 GMT
> > You make it difficult to remain Sunny Side Up.
>
> Did you have to scramble to come up with that one?

No, he poached it.

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Alan Browne - 12 Feb 2010 22:16 GMT
>>> You make it difficult to remain Sunny Side Up.
>>
>> Did you have to scramble to come up with that one?
>
> No, he poached it.

I think he McMuffed it, actually.

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Alan Browne - 12 Feb 2010 18:45 GMT
>>>>>>>>> At least you're not too chicken to admit it. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
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> You make it difficult to remain Sunny Side Up.

The other day I was making a sandwich.  While frying the eggs, toasted
the bread, spread the mayonnaise, lettuce and tomatoes on it, then said
to my SO "Just lay the eggs on top."

It took me a full 10 seconds to realize ...  (true story)

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Nick Naym - 12 Feb 2010 05:21 GMT
>>>> As a Purdue alumnus, I think you mean _Perdue_, more closely associated
>>>> with certain colleges in Maryland.
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> Yes, but I'm not going to crow about it, either.

What's the difference between a chicken and a consultant?

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Michelle Steiner - 11 Feb 2010 22:01 GMT
> > > That's if you didn't have a _Purdue_ chicken, and one of these
> > > breast gauges.
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> Oh lord, what a dumb cluck I am!

You'll never get rid of that; it's home to roost.

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Nick Naym - 12 Feb 2010 05:47 GMT
>>> That's if you didn't have a _Purdue_ chicken, and one of these breast
>>> gauges.
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> Oh lord, what a dumb cluck I am!

But that was one smart chicken! ;P

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Matthew Russotto - 12 Feb 2010 02:45 GMT
>> > >One thing to add - Apple actually calls it Firewire Target Disk Mode. We
>> > >just usual shorten it in conversation.
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>> And not just any chicken would do.

This was later in the SCSI game; the special cable had the black
candle built right in.
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John - 09 Feb 2010 23:25 GMT
> > I didn't know that TDM was limited to FW.
>
> Yep. A network transfer by Migration Assistant requires the source Mac
> to be booted normally.

Got one on ebay for $5 bucks. Only problem is free shipping is 7-11
business days. Maybe I should have spent more for one at depot.

John
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Fred McKenzie - 08 Feb 2010 23:43 GMT
In article
<jwolf6589-19885F.17521808022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,

> Dp I need a FireWire cable for
> this, a USB cable, or can this be done via WI-FI?

John-

The usual way to use Migration Assistant is to invoke it when you first
fire up the new computer.  The process of creating a new user includes
instructions on how to transfer data from an older computer.

FireWire mode is one method.  You can also use WiFi/Ethernet if you have
a current Time Capsule/Time Machine backup of the old computer.

When I recently went through this for my new MacBook Pro, I was
surprised to find that the new computer had a different FireWire
connector (FW 800) than the old computer (FW 400).  You will need an
adapter to use an old FireWire cable with a MacBook Pro's FireWire port.

Using the FireWire mode may be the best method for you.  The process
does take a while, so there is always a chance your kernel panic may
interrupt the process.  It would be interesting to find out if Migration
Assistant can cope with the interruption, and pick up where it left off.

I understand kernel panics are caused by hardware problems.  The only
one I've experienced was caused by a broken wire in an old USB mouse.  
Once you get your migration process started, don't touch anything!

Fred
John - 09 Feb 2010 01:09 GMT
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> <jwolf6589-19885F.17521808022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
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> Fred

Looks like I will need to use a Null Ethernet cable as the iBook has FW
400.

John
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nospam - 09 Feb 2010 01:14 GMT
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<jwolf6589-F49DBC.20091508022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,

> Looks like I will need to use a Null Ethernet cable as the iBook has FW
> 400.

i assume you mean crossover ethernet cable, and all macs in the past
decade have autosensing ethernet ports, so there's no need for anything
special. use any ethernet cable you want. however, firewire is probably
a better choice.
Mike Rosenberg - 09 Feb 2010 01:27 GMT
> > Looks like I will need to use a Null Ethernet cable as the iBook has FW
> > 400.
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> special. use any ethernet cable you want. however, firewire is probably
> a better choice.

I'd say definitely, based on his kernel panics.  I don't understand why
he thinks he'd need an ethernet cable because the iBook has FW 400,
though.

John, you'd just be a Firewire 400 to 800 cable. And, sure, you can buy
it at BestBuy, or probably Radio Shack or perhaps Office Depot, Staples,
Office Max... There's a way of finding where to buy things on the web.
If you're not familiar with that concept, try Googling it.  ;-)

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nospam - 09 Feb 2010 06:44 GMT
> I don't understand why
> he thinks he'd need an ethernet cable because the iBook has FW 400,
> though.

probably because he doesn't realize fw400-fw800 is trivial to do.
Michelle Steiner - 09 Feb 2010 01:27 GMT
In article
<jwolf6589-F49DBC.20091508022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,

> Looks like I will need to use a Null Ethernet cable as the iBook has FW
> 400.

You can still use a firewire cable; get either an 800 to 400 adaptor to use
with an existing cable or get an 800 to 400 cable.

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Fred Moore - 09 Feb 2010 15:23 GMT
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<jwolf6589-19885F.17521808022010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,

> These are my plans and so tell me if I am making a wise or foolish
> choice.
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> the 250GB hard drive, and Windows XP Home. I plan to make the purchase
> from MacMall.

Personally, I'd buy from a company like Small Dog which is known for its
great customer service. Or Other World Computing, which has a good
reputation also. My experience with MacMall has been mediocre, so I
don't use them anymore.
 
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