> >> I think I knew how to fix this once upon a time. I'd rather have
> >> everything
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> extra/haxie I was using and was definitely on a pre-Leopard setup. That's not
> the case now as even on a SafeBoot/root startup it was present.

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> > >> I think I knew how to fix this once upon a time. I'd rather have
> > >> everything
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>
> [grumble]
I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
first.
If I think about it from *Apple's* perspective, however, I can certainly
see why they might want to separate third party menu commands from the
standard set of Apple commands.

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Tim Lance - 03 Oct 2008 21:42 GMT
>>>>> I think I knew how to fix this once upon a time. I'd rather have
>>>>> everything
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>>
>> [grumble]
Dang.
> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
> first.
>
> If I think about it from *Apple's* perspective, however, I can certainly
> see why they might want to separate third party menu commands from the
> standard set of Apple commands.
Sure, but I would like the option. So it goes.

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Gregory Weston - 04 Oct 2008 10:44 GMT
> > > >> I think I knew how to fix this once upon a time. I'd rather have
> > > >> everything
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> see why they might want to separate third party menu commands from the
> standard set of Apple commands.
Oh, absolutely. And it even makes a bit of sense from the user
perspective once they user gets educated. Seems to me, though, that
Apple did a weaker-than-usual job of communicating changes up-front with
Leopard. The first wave of upgraders got more surprises - I mean
deliberate changes, not bugs - than I'd like to see as someone who gets
turned to for support.

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Tim Lance - 05 Oct 2008 15:57 GMT
>>>>>> I think I knew how to fix this once upon a time. I'd rather have
>>>>>> everything
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> deliberate changes, not bugs - than I'd like to see as someone who gets
> turned to for support.
But being a lazy SOB having to drag down then zig-zag (oh, those were the
days) is such a significantly greater PITA than merely dragging down. At
least I know I dont have to waste frustration until some makes a modifying
utility or Apple gives us an option.
Thanks for the info and insights, y'all.

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Jolly Roger - 05 Oct 2008 16:14 GMT
> >> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
> >> first.
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> But being a lazy SOB having to drag down then zig-zag (oh, those were the
> days) is such a significantly greater PITA than merely dragging down.
Agreed!

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Tim Lance - 05 Oct 2008 16:44 GMT
>>>> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
>>>> first.
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>
> Agreed!
He he. Agree with 1) lazy or 2) those were the days (zig-zag)? : ))

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Jolly Roger - 05 Oct 2008 16:57 GMT
> >>>> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
> >>>> first.
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>
> He he. Agree with 1) lazy or 2) those were the days (zig-zag)? : ))
Aye! I'll have the #2, mate, with fries, and some grog! Smartly, if you
please!

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Tim Lance - 05 Oct 2008 17:30 GMT
>>>>>> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
>>>>>> first.
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> Aye! I'll have the #2, mate, with fries, and some grog! Smartly, if you
> please!
No doubt. Thanks for the grin.
Mmmmm. Sloppy nachos from the Armadillo World Headquarters.

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Jolly Roger - 05 Oct 2008 18:24 GMT
> >>>>>> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
> >>>>>> first.
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> Mmmmm. Sloppy nachos from the Armadillo World Headquarters.
I'm visiting Jones town (no, not that one). : D

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Tim Lance - 05 Oct 2008 18:47 GMT
>>>>>>>> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
>>>>>>>> first.
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>
> I'm visiting Jones town (no, not that one). : D
COL (stands for Chuckling Out Loud - not cacthing on, I'm afraid)

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Jolly Roger - 05 Oct 2008 19:05 GMT
> >>>>>>>> I dislike this change as well. It seemed rather arbitrary to me at
> >>>>>>>> first.
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> COL (stands for Chuckling Out Loud - not cacthing on, I'm afraid)
It's a game of connect the dots! : D

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