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Mac Forum / General / General / February 2008SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner?
Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner? The reviews in "Version Tracker" steer me toward SuperDuper ($28 shareware fee). What do you think? Thanks! earle * Intel iMac 2GB RAM,250GB internal HD, 320GB + 160GB external HD -- scanner, photo printer, laser printer, etc. > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon > Copy Cloner? If that's all you want to do, do it with CCC. Or just use Disk Utility.  SignatureW. Oates > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon > Copy Cloner? superduper is the better program, however, it is not currently compatible with leopard. if you clone it in tiger prior to upgrading, it will be fine, and you will need to wait for the update before using it after that. > > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it will be fine, and you will need to wait for the update before using > it after that. And the update is due soon. See the SuperDuper blog for details. Also, for a single backup, SuperDuper is free. You have to pay to get the much faster Smart Update feature (where changed files are updated, as distinct from the basic proccess of erasing evrything and then copying). Signaturehttp://www.decohen.com Send e-mail to the Reply-To address; mail to the From address is never read CCC, even though it says it will work with Leopard, does not do a very good job and leaves many things a bit messed up. After reinstalling from a CCC backup, the Addressbook would no longer allow me to edit an entry. Sheepshaver stopped working (but came back after a reinstall of the standalone 10.5.1 update). There were a few other flaky things, can't remember, but when 1 or 2 things get messed up, you can be sure there are others. I will wait for the SD update. > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon > Copy Cloner? > > The reviews in "Version Tracker" steer me toward SuperDuper ($28 > shareware fee). SuperDuper! requires the shareware fee only if you want to use certain features. (I think those features are useful, and have paid the fee.) However, SD! is not (currently) compatible with Leopard. There is, allegedly, a fix in the works. CCC _is_ compatible with Leopard. If you need something _right now_ and are running Leopard, go with CCC. If you're running Tiger or earlier, SD! is easier to handle, though CCC is more thorough. If you're running Leopard, CCC is the tool to use for cloning. Note that ProSoft's Drive Genius allegedly has the ability to clone Leopard volumes, and that Prosoft's Data Rescue and Data Backup also allegedly work with Leopard. I have not personally verified any of this, and all three are _commercial_ apps which cost substantially more than SD!. I know that Drive Genius will clone Tiger volumes without problems, except that it can't clone the boot volume. I personally used SD! for most cloning operations pre-Leopard, and am currently using CCC until SD! becomes Leopard-compatible. > What do you think? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Intel iMac 2GB RAM,250GB internal HD, 320GB + 160GB external HD -- > scanner, photo printer, laser printer, etc. Signatureemail to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com. > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Intel iMac 2GB RAM,250GB internal HD, 320GB + 160GB external HD -- > scanner, photo printer, laser printer, etc. CCC works fine for me. It will do incremental backups and archive old stuff if I want it to. Also you can tell it not to backup certain directories if you like. It has a scheduling thing too I think, but I've never used scheduling so can't comment on that. Andy > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Intel iMac 2GB RAM,250GB internal HD, 320GB + 160GB external HD -- > scanner, photo printer, laser printer, etc. SuperDuper is far easier to use and works well. > > Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys > > 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon > > Copy Cloner? > > SuperDuper is far easier to use and works well. Carbon Copy Cloner is pretty easy to use and works well. The author, Mike Bombich, was a pioneer in figuring out how to clone a Mac OS X disk. I just used the current version 3.01 to clone a Leopard disk that's fully bootable and restore-from-able. -- Sally SignatureSally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly") SallyShears@gmail.com -or- Sally@Shears.org SallyShears (at) gmail (dot) com >>> Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys >>> 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -- Sally On both CCC's and SD!'s forums there's been much discussion on the finer points of how well each deals with the monkey wrench Apple threw into Leopard with the final release - ACLs (Access Control Lists). Best I can tell, CCC and the other early apps that claimed Leopard compatibility had issues with ACLs which may not appear at first, but subsequent booting and permissions issues appear with those apps. SD!'s not perfect but is better in many people's opinion and is faster and easier. Are you, Sally, the same Molly I know elsewhere as a beagle aficionado? SignatureTim lance_1012@hotmail.com > On both CCC's and SD!'s forums there's been much discussion on the finer > points of how well each deals with the monkey wrench Apple threw into Leopard > with the final release - ACLs (Access Control Lists) ACLs are not new to Leopard, they were in Tiger as well. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > > On both CCC's and SD!'s forums there's been much discussion on the finer > > points of how well each deals with the monkey wrench Apple threw into > > Leopard > > with the final release - ACLs (Access Control Lists) > > ACLs are not new to Leopard, they were in Tiger as well. And there was no proper backup/restore for them there either. SignatureTom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF > > > On both CCC's and SD!'s forums there's been much discussion on the finer > > > points of how well each deals with the monkey wrench Apple threw into [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And there was no proper backup/restore for them there either. True enough. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > > ACLs are not new to Leopard, they were in Tiger as well. > > And there was no proper backup/restore for them there either. Once again, here's a report about how various backup utilities handle various things, including ACLs - http://inik.net/node/151 And, since it's almost a year old, here's a tool you can use to run your own tests on whatever you'd like, today - http://www.n8gray.org/blog/2007/04/27/introducing-backup-bouncer/ Billy Y.. > here's a tool you can use > to run your own tests on whatever you'd like, today - > > http://www.n8gray.org/blog/2007/04/27/introducing-backup-bouncer/ Nice. Thanks for posting this. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. If you must contact me through e-mail, let me know when you send email to this address so that your email doesn't get eaten by my SPAM filter. JR > ACLs are not new to Leopard, they were in Tiger as well. But they were turned off by default, and the OS didn't make use of them. That changed with Leopard. SignatureK. Lang may your lum reek. >> ACLs are not new to Leopard, they were in Tiger as well. > > But they were turned off by default, and the OS didn't make use of them. > That changed with Leopard. Yep! SignatureTim lance_1012@hotmail.com >> Before I install Leopard I want to clone my current startup disk (Sys >> 10.4.11) on an external HD. Which is better -- SuperDuper or Carbon [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > SuperDuper is far easier to use and works well. Scheduling works better in CCC, but CCC can't format a drive right if you use case-sensitive... SuperDuper can, but the scheduling is week, you basically have to be logged into the account and superduper has to be launched, or something like that, I just do both to make sure it goes thru. I would use ccc everytime... SignatureAdobe - Preventing the case-sensitive revolution everyday > Scheduling works better in CCC, but CCC can't format a drive right if you > use case-sensitive... SuperDuper can, but the scheduling is week, you > basically have to be logged into the account and superduper has to be > launched, or something like that, I just do both to make sure it goes > thru. I would use ccc everytime... In SuperDuper! one sets up a schedule by first, in the main window, selecting the source and target drives, and then in the schedule window selecting the week(s) of the month, the day(s) of the week, and the time the schedule will run. One can have an arbitrary number of schedules defined, and all of them or a subset of them can be currently active. I'm not sure how setting up a schedule could be easier. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com >> Scheduling works better in CCC, but CCC can't format a drive right if you >> use case-sensitive... SuperDuper can, but the scheduling is week, you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm not sure how setting up a schedule could be easier. Well my thing is, you can't be logged out, or logged into some other account. Because when I setup a schedule in SuperDuper (2.1.4), the event didn't start unless I was logged in, and had SuperDuper running. With CCC you don't have to be logged in or have ccc running... Full Background SignatureAdobe - Preventing the case-sensitive revolution everyday |
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