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Odd Group ( or Google ) Behaviour...???

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The Translucent Amoebae - 30 Sep 2007 06:22 GMT
i'm sure that for many of you, will be welcome news,
But on another level; It should be somewhat troubling...
The other day, i posted several subliments to the Amazon MP3 Thread,
and in each case; Google reported that it had been successfully
posted,
Then-- The next day, they were all gone...??
i didn't really check to see if they were posted on the day i sent
them,
But--
i've noticed in other cases, a message will be listed in the tree of
labels, but not be accessible...
Is this a moderated group...???
---
As far as the content was concerned;
i made one disparaging remark about BG
and the rest of them was a reiteration of the idea that all the
downloaded content is merely data, and that you should be able to
download any sort of data ( 1's and 0's ) including security protocols
that would work with the application that you're listening to the
music with... On an Atari 400.
There's no reason in the world, why you should need gigantically
bloated internet applications to do this...
The only reasonable reason is that Amazon and all the computer
companies and Everyone that sells stuff on the internet has formed a
conspiracy to sell you a new computer every 6 months, and require you
to constantly update your software weekly.
This is one of those crazy metaConspiracies that everyone knows about,
and it is so well known an understood, that rather than experiencing
outrage, most just shrug.
The Translucent Amoebae - 30 Sep 2007 08:39 GMT
On Sep 29, 10:22 pm, The Translucent Amoebae <transamoe...@seanet.com>
wrote:
> i'm sure that for many of you, will be welcome news,
> But on another level...

This is so stupid...!!!
Apparently; Others are responding to posts from the Amazon MP3 Thread,
but my posts are not appearing there, on my browser ( Firefox/Google
Reader )
It's like i've somehow KillFiled Myself...!!!
Has this ever happened to anyone before...???
Thanx.
Sorry for the confusion...!!!
Gawd! i hate computers-- And the internet...!!!
D. Kirkpatrick - 30 Sep 2007 19:51 GMT
> This is so stupid...!!!
> Apparently; Others are responding to posts from the Amazon MP3 Thread,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Sorry for the confusion...!!!
> Gawd! i hate computers-- And the internet...!!!

Check your settings.

You may be set to not read your own posts and those that have been
already read once by you.
nospamatall - 30 Sep 2007 11:34 GMT
> There's no reason in the world, why you should need gigantically
> bloated internet applications to do this...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and it is so well known an understood, that rather than experiencing
> outrage, most just shrug.

There is a slightly less outrageous idea, that the big media corps would
like to know more about you than they can tell from your actions while
surfing their website and buying stuff from them. Some here seem to
think that is on a par with believing in alien conspiracy theory. I
think it is a fact that has been proven many times by companies like
Sony and Real, and things like cookies and webbugs.

Andy
Michelle Steiner - 30 Sep 2007 13:56 GMT
> The only reasonable reason is that Amazon and all the computer
> companies and Everyone that sells stuff on the internet has formed a
> conspiracy to sell you a new computer every 6 months, and require you
> to constantly update your software weekly.

Except that doesn't happen.

> This is one of those crazy metaConspiracies that everyone knows
> about, and it is so well known an understood, that rather than
> experiencing outrage, most just shrug.

This is one of those crazy metaConspiracies that only the paranoid and
conspiracy nuts know about.

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Tim Murray - 30 Sep 2007 14:25 GMT
> The only reasonable reason is that Amazon and all the computer
> companies and Everyone that sells stuff on the internet has formed a
> conspiracy to sell you a new computer every 6 months, and require you
> to constantly update your software weekly.

Clearly you don't know enough about computers to (correctly) come to that
conclusion ... as I type away on my circa 2003 PowerBook.
Ian Gregory - 30 Sep 2007 18:18 GMT
> The only reasonable reason is that Amazon and all the computer
> companies and Everyone that sells stuff on the internet has formed a
> conspiracy to sell you a new computer every 6 months, and require you
> to constantly update your software weekly.

Software people always want new faster hardware to make amazing
new apps possible (there is no way that Google Earth for example
could be stripped down to run on a 286 in any really useful form).
Hardware manufacturers need to sell new machines to maintain the
development cycle. Even if there were never any new software
written there would still be hardware advancement in terms of
reduced price, smaller size, reduced power consumption etc, but
the ability to run new compute intensive software is one of the
major drivers of the hardware market.

I don't think it is a bad thing that for the 10th of the price
of a 286 I can buy a machine 10 times as powerful.

With the current pace of change I figure that the average expected
life of a new machine is about 3 years (the building I used to
work in had 3,000 PCs, the oldest thousand of which were replaced
with new machines every year). I do not consider this to be
particularly unreasonable. I kept my iBook for about three and
a half years before replacing it with an iMac last year, and I
expect to still be using the iMac in a couple of years. Of course
there are people still running 10 year old machines and others
who change their machines like they change their socks.

A popular software package is most likely being actively
maintained by developers who are constantly refining it,
eliminating bugs, making it more efficient, yes, adding
features too, probably in response to some percieved demand
for those features, removing (less often) redundant or little
used features, and occasionally revamping it to make use
of new software technologies, web services etc. Why
shouldn't I always have access to the best version available?
I don't want to have to wait a year for improvements when I
could be pulling nightly builds off a CVS server and using
the same system as the developers within 24 hours. So I don't
see any problem with software that is updated as infrequently
as once a week.

Ian

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Jolly Roger - 30 Sep 2007 22:02 GMT
> The other day, i posted several subliments to the Amazon MP3 Thread,
> and in each case; Google reported that it had been successfully
> posted,
> Then-- The next day, they were all gone...??

You're using Google's spectacularly crappy Usenet client and it's
screwing things up for you. The way I see it, you have these options:

1. Complain to Google about it over and over and just hope one day they
care enough to listen to you and improve their crappy client.

2. Just deal with it and don't bother the rest of us who have learned
better already.

3. Switch to a real Usenet client, and learn why so many people do it
and live happily ever after.

> Is this a moderated group...???

Nope, this is not a moderated news group. Most news groups on Usenet
are completely uncensored - the way it should be.

It's quite possible, however, that Google moderates all posts made with
their spectacularly crappy Usenet client.

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