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HP Scanjet 4100c OSX Driver?

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The Natural Philosopher - 29 Jul 2007 05:29 GMT
Anyone know how to make it work with OSX?
Michael Vilain - 29 Jul 2007 09:12 GMT
> Anyone know how to make it work with OSX?

No drivers and little chance of getting them if HP didn't supply them
with the scanner.  Scanners are frequently designed, then a software
house that specializes in scanner or printer drivers will write the
software.  Frequently, there's a lot of hardware "churn" so the drivers
aren't updated after initial release.  It's not uncommon for an old
driver to stop working with a new release of an OS.

That said, have you looked into ViewScan?

http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#hp

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The Natural Philosopher - 29 Jul 2007 11:57 GMT
>> Anyone know how to make it work with OSX?
>
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>
> http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#hp

No but I spent all night struggling with SANE ("HP4100C fully supported
"(not))... and let me say that at this point there are SEVERE issues
with it.

I did finally using a mixture of command line attacks to get the USB
scanner recognised (but only for one scan, after which I has to use the
command line 'is there a scanner there' command) get the scanner to
proceed in a series of nasty jerks, and, after about 5 minutes a tiff
emerged that I COULD import into something else, but all attempts to
scan from an application were utterly doomed..

I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)

Then halfway through the night my wifes MAC failed to boot, so it looks
like I'll be back to windows and she will have this one back..it seems
to ONLY boot with the case open..

So, my delicious anticipation of finally dumping windows has foundered
already: Scanner doesn't work: No parallel port for the big plotter -and
I am reluctant to network it as its not got enough memory without a
closely coupled print driver..

And to cap it all, I noticed something beyond belief. This old MAC
keyboard hasn't even got a HASH KEY

I remember my friend with an apple II yelling 'I cant program in C:
There are no curly BRACES on a MAC!!!'

Well how can I write code o a keyboard with no hash key?

Faugh!

Oh, and can someone tell me what combination of keys causes the bloody
dashbaord to pop up so I can disable the bloody thing?

Its ALMOST as bad as WINDOWS!!!
Little Sir Echo - 29 Jul 2007 18:11 GMT
> > That said, have you looked into ViewScan?
> >
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>
> Its ALMOST as bad as WINDOWS!!!

You really have a problem and its not your wife's computer.

Your knowledge of Macs is quite limited for you do not even seem to know
that 'MAC' does not mean Macintosh.
Tim Murray - 29 Jul 2007 18:31 GMT
> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
> much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)

Welcome to the web. Try VueScan -- he has a list of supported scanners, and
my case, mine worked anyway.

And it's Mac, not MAC.
The Natural Philosopher - 29 Jul 2007 22:36 GMT
>> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
>> much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)
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>
> And it's Mac, not MAC.

Oh my god, yet mopre religio.

Vuescan does indeed work, but not as a layer that other software can
utilise..
Steve Hix - 29 Jul 2007 23:18 GMT
> >> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
> >> much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Oh my god, yet mopre religio.

No, an attempt to aid clear communication.

> Vuescan does indeed work, but not as a layer that other software can
> utilise..
Jolly Roger - 30 Jul 2007 03:16 GMT
>>> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
>>> much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)
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>
> Oh my god, yet mopre religio[n].

No, just plain English.  Do you know the difference between an acronym
and an abbreviation?  If not, look it up. Mac is *not* an acronym.  The
acronym MAC you seem to love to use stands for Media Access Control,
among other things, which is decidedly *not* a Macintosh computer.

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Michelle Steiner - 30 Jul 2007 04:08 GMT
> No, just plain English.  Do you know the difference between an
> acronym and an abbreviation?

All acronyms are abbreviations, but not all abbreviations are acronyms.

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The Natural Philosopher - 30 Jul 2007 11:50 GMT
>>>> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with
>>>> so much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)
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> acronym MAC you seem to love to use stands for Media Access Control,
> among other things, which is decidedly *not* a Macintosh computer.

What is the abbreviation of MACINTOSH please?

Jerk.

MAC also stands for model aircraft club.

A Macintosh is a plastic waterproof overgarment.
Michelle Steiner - 30 Jul 2007 15:08 GMT
> A Macintosh is a plastic waterproof overgarment.

No, that is a Mackintosh.

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Kurt Ullman - 30 Jul 2007 15:16 GMT
> Mackintosh.

 Never knew that. YOu learn something new every day here.
Michelle Steiner - 30 Jul 2007 15:32 GMT
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>,

> > Mackintosh.
>
>   Never knew that. YOu learn something new every day here.

Yeah, the raincoat has that "k" stuck in the middle.  And the audio
equipment company is "McIntosh", which is now owned by a Japanese
holding company, which also owns Marantz, Boston Acoustics, Snell, and
Replay TV among others.

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Jolly Roger - 30 Jul 2007 19:07 GMT
> Jerk.

Oh I think it's plain to see who is being the Jerk here...

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The Natural Philosopher - 30 Jul 2007 23:46 GMT
>> Jerk.
>
> Oh I think it's plain to see who is being the Jerk here...

Yup the one person who is not bowing down to Apple religion eh?
Jolly Roger - 31 Jul 2007 00:04 GMT
>>> Jerk.
>>
>> Oh I think it's plain to see who is being the Jerk here...
>>
> Yup the one person who is not bowing down to Apple religion eh?

Nope, the one who is asserting that "religion" has anything to do with
what would otherwise be a normal conversational topic.

BTW, for someone so adamantly against said "Mac religion", you sure
talk about it a lot.

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Steve Hix - 31 Jul 2007 00:33 GMT
> >>>> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with
> >>>> so much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)
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>
> What is the abbreviation of MACINTOSH please?

Mac! {shouting}

> Jerk.
>
> MAC also stands for model aircraft club.

Sure, but it's a low-probability event in a personal computer group
discussion.

> A Macintosh is a plastic waterproof overgarment.

Originally a rubberized-cloth w. o.
Michelle Steiner - 29 Jul 2007 18:43 GMT
> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
> much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)

That may have been the Windows version of Viewscan.  The Macintosh
version is generally held in high regard.

> And to cap it all, I noticed something beyond belief. This old MAC
> keyboard hasn't even got a HASH KEY

If I'm not mistaken, it's shift-3, although on a British keyboard, it
might be something else.  But it most certainly there.  I'm assuming
that by "hash", you mean "#".

> I remember my friend with an apple II yelling 'I cant program in C:
> There are no curly BRACES on a MAC!!!'

That doesn't make any sense.  There most certainly are curly braces on a
Macintosh keyboard:  shift-[ and shift-] (on the US keyboard).  Besides,
what does programming on the Macintosh have to do with an Apple II?

> Oh, and can someone tell me what combination of keys causes the
> bloody dashbaord to pop up so I can disable the bloody thing?

Check the Dashboard and Expose preferences panel; the mouse and key
settings are at the bottom of the panel.

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The Natural Philosopher - 29 Jul 2007 22:43 GMT
>> I did some web research: the name Viewscan came up associated with so
>> much invective that I didn't pursue it ;)
>
> That may have been the Windows version of Viewscan.  The Macintosh
> version is generally held in high regard.

Not by the reviewer I found. I finally downloaded it, but $35 is a lot
for a program that just turns a USB signal to a bitmap...and can't
handit on to any other program.

>> And to cap it all, I noticed something beyond belief. This old MAC
>> keyboard hasn't even got a HASH KEY
>
> If I'm not mistaken, it's shift-3, although on a British keyboard, it
> might be something else.  But it most certainly there.  I'm assuming
> that by "hash", you mean "#".

No, thats the £ sign ...

>> I remember my friend with an apple II yelling 'I cant program in C:
>> There are no curly BRACES on a MAC!!!'
>
> That doesn't make any sense.  There most certainly are curly braces on a
> Macintosh keyboard:  shift-[ and shift-] (on the US keyboard).  Besides,
> what does programming on the Macintosh have to do with an Apple II?

There weren't on an Apple II...Probably when you were in diapers ;-)

>> Oh, and can someone tell me what combination of keys causes the
>> bloody dashbaord to pop up so I can disable the bloody thing?
>
> Check the Dashboard and Expose preferences panel; the mouse and key
> settings are at the bottom of the panel.

Yeah. Found it ..F12..at least it's remmapable..

STILL downloading the Xcode stuff after I found the installation CD had
a scratch on it. Oh what a Gay Day!
Michelle Steiner - 30 Jul 2007 04:07 GMT
> >> And to cap it all, I noticed something beyond belief. This old MAC
> >> keyboard hasn't even got a HASH KEY
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> No, thats the £ sign ...

Shift-3 is the £ sign, or "hash" is the £ sign?  BTW, on the US
keyboard, option-3 is the £ sign.  So as a guess try option-3 to see if
you get the # sign.

> > That doesn't make any sense.  There most certainly are curly braces
> > on a Macintosh keyboard:  shift-[ and shift-] (on the US keyboard).
> >  Besides, what does programming on the Macintosh have to do with an
> > Apple II?
>
> There weren't on an Apple II...Probably when you were in diapers ;-)

Hardly.  When I bought my first computer, which was an Apple II, I was
the parent of an eight year old girl.

But even though there weren't any curly braces on the Apple II keyboard,
what does that have to do with programming on the Macintosh?

> STILL downloading the Xcode stuff after I found the installation CD
> had a scratch on it. Oh what a Gay Day!

You're probably getting a later version of X Code than what is on the
installation disk.

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The Natural Philosopher - 30 Jul 2007 11:53 GMT
>>>> And to cap it all, I noticed something beyond belief. This old MAC
>>>> keyboard hasn't even got a HASH KEY
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> But even though there weren't any curly braces on the Apple II keyboard,
> what does that have to do with programming on the Macintosh?

Try writing C without curly braces...It is an old bone of contentin
bewteen me and a very old frind. I told hom C was the language everyine
would use: He said it would be Pascal.

I said he shod try C.

He said 'how: I can't even type in {} on this machine..;-)

>> STILL downloading the Xcode stuff after I found the installation CD
>> had a scratch on it. Oh what a Gay Day!
>
> You're probably getting a later version of X Code than what is on the
> installation disk.

Looks like it.

Anyway it compiled a basic C program, so most of it must be there.
The Natural Philosopher - 30 Jul 2007 12:26 GMT
>>>>> And to cap it all, I noticed something beyond belief. This old MAC
>>>>> keyboard hasn't even got a HASH KEY
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>> keyboard, option-3 is the £ sign.  So as a guess try option-3 to see
>> if you get the # sign.

Alt-3 gets it

#######<--- look, lots
¡€#¢∞§¶•ªº–≠“‘æ…«÷≥≤

And more alt keys...

Yuk!

It's worse than programming with an AZERTY KB....
Michelle Steiner - 30 Jul 2007 15:07 GMT
> And more alt keys...
>
> Yuk!
>
> It's worse than programming with an AZERTY KB....

Huh?  You would rather not have those characters available?  Or would
you rather have to enter them the Windows method by typing a series of
numbers on the numeric keypad?

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Michelle Steiner - 30 Jul 2007 15:03 GMT
> > But even though there weren't any curly braces on the Apple II
> > keyboard, what does that have to do with programming on the
> > Macintosh?
>
> Try writing C without curly braces...

Let me repeat the question; this time I'll shout it so maybe you will
understand what I am asking:  WHAT DOES THE ***APPLE II KEYBOARD*** NOT
HAVING CURLY BRACES HAVE TO DO WITH PROGRAMMING ON THE ***MACINTOSH***?

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The Natural Philosopher - 30 Jul 2007 23:45 GMT
>>> But even though there weren't any curly braces on the Apple II
>>> keyboard, what does that have to do with programming on the
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> understand what I am asking:  WHAT DOES THE ***APPLE II KEYBOARD*** NOT
> HAVING CURLY BRACES HAVE TO DO WITH PROGRAMMING ON THE ***MACINTOSH***?

Nothing at all, if you had looked at the context it was originally cited
in..i.e. another example of Apple WEIRDNESS. Like having to use the alt
key to get a hash...
Steve Hix - 31 Jul 2007 00:34 GMT
> >>> But even though there weren't any curly braces on the Apple II
> >>> keyboard, what does that have to do with programming on the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> in..i.e. another example of Apple WEIRDNESS. Like having to use the alt
> key to get a hash...

Been quite a while since that was necessary.
Michelle Steiner - 31 Jul 2007 15:12 GMT
> > Let me repeat the question; this time I'll shout it so maybe you will
> > understand what I am asking:  WHAT DOES THE ***APPLE II KEYBOARD*** NOT
> > HAVING CURLY BRACES HAVE TO DO WITH PROGRAMMING ON THE ***MACINTOSH***?
> >
> Nothing at all, if you had looked at the context

In context it said that the Apple II did not have curly braces, so he
couldn't program a Macintosh.

> it was originally cited
> in..i.e. another example of Apple WEIRDNESS.

The Apple II used a teletype keyboard; teletypes did not have lower
case, nor various other keys, such as curly braces.  The Apple IIe, IIc,
and IIGS all had full ASCII keyboards.

> Like having to use the alt key to get a hash...

Not on US keyboards; we press the shift key; pressing the option key
produces the £ sign.  So tell me, which is more commonly used in the UK:  
"£" or "#"?  Note that I did not ask which is more commonly used by
programmers?

By the way, if you have trouble finding any other characters on the
keyboard, you can always use the keyboard viewer located in the Input
menu.  If you don't see the input menu in your menu bar, open the
International preferences panel.  The bottom element is a check box
that's labeled "Show input menu in menu bar"; make sure it is checked.  
Then make sure that Keyboard Viewer at the top of the scrolling field is
checked.  While you're at it, you might as well check Character Palette
as well.

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