New to Mac - Anti-virus and other Applications Question
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Mikey_Jax - 29 Dec 2006 11:11 GMT Hi there
Just bought a Mac book and thinking about getting an iMac as a desktop.
So in many ways - moving from the "dark side" to Mac en masse!
Been used to Windows up until now - and so unsure what is best for Anti-virus protection etc.
Looking at using Neo Office for word processing etc. and will get Photoshop Elements for basic photo processing etc.
I was amazed by the speed and ease of the Macbook - so an instant convert.
Also - looking to do development programming on it - so might look to get a Java development suite for Mac.
So - any help and advise for a new comer to Mac would be fantastic!
Thanks
Mikey_Jax
sbt - 29 Dec 2006 11:24 GMT > Hi there > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Thanks There are no known viruses affecting Mac OS X (so far). Thus, most folks will tell you that you don't need to worry about such software at this point. If you're going to be exchanging MS Office docs and the like with Windows users, though, you might want to get something that will scan for Windows/Office-based macro viruses. A pretty good run-down of the state of OS X antivirus tools is covered at <http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060511065134478>.
For development tools, you probably already have all you need. On your OS X installation DVD, you will find Apple's Xcode installer, which installs the full Xcode suite of development tools (including Java).
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Jon - 29 Dec 2006 11:25 GMT > Hi there > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Been used to Windows up until now - and so unsure what is best for > Anti-virus protection etc. I am not saying that the MAc is virus-proof, because it is not, but on the other hand, there are no known Mac viruses or trojans in the wild and have not been for a very long time. If you want to be absolutely sure (and protect your PC feriends from inadvertently passing some nasty bug on to them), I recommend ClamXav antivirus (freeware).
I haven't tried myself, but most people I know and respect online seem to _not_ recommend Norton's products for Mac OS X, more or less wholesale. So I'd say don't, unless you are very determined that you need it or research it further.
> Looking at using Neo Office for word processing etc. and will get > Photoshop Elements for basic photo processing etc. Seems a good way to go. However, MS also offers a very good version of Office for the Mac, and the Edu price (which is easy to qualify for in most cases) is reasonable.
> I was amazed by the speed and ease of the Macbook - so an instant > convert. I have a 2GHz MB in the family, and I agree. It is a lovely machine, but does like RAM. Get at least 1GB, IMHO.
> Also - looking to do development programming on it - so might look to > get a Java development suite for Mac. Look no further to start with: Apple offers their entire develoipment suite, Xcode, for free to all Mac owners (strictly speaking, licencees of Mac OS X). Yuu can get it on disk with the retail version of Mac OS X, or online from http://developer.apple.com (huge download, though). There is Java, C, C??, Objective C and more in there, + very good interface building tools.
Otherwise, go to places like http://sourceforge.net, or try your luck on http://versiontracker.com.
> So - any help and advise for a new comer to Mac would be fantastic! HTH, and welcome.
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Jon - 29 Dec 2006 11:30 GMT > Yuu can get it on disk with the retail version of Mac OS > X, or online from http://developer.apple.com (huge download, though). I need to correct myself: Xcode comes with the installer disks that ship with Macs as well. It is there as a separate install. You do not need to download it until a new version arrives (but by then, Tiger - next version of Mac OS X - has shipped, presumably with updates to Xcode as well).
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Mark Rae - 29 Dec 2006 13:57 GMT > I haven't tried myself, but most people I know and respect online seem > to _not_ recommend Norton's products for Mac OS X, more or less > wholesale. So I'd say don't, unless you are very determined that you > need it or research it further. I can't comment on Norton for Mac because I heeded the advice I received here and elsewhere that I don't (currently) need AV software on my Mac Mini, so I don't have any...
However, if their Mac software is anything like their latest Norton Internet Security for the Windows platform, then I'd say avoid it at all costs! I'd used Norton products on my many different PCs over the years, right back to the Norton Utilities for DOS, but the latest NIS really was so awful that I was forced to abandon it completely. I chose AVG for Windows as a replacement. Incidentally, although AVG have AV tools for Linux, they don't have a version specifically for MacOS because they feel there's no need for one...
> Seems a good way to go. However, MS also offers a very good version of > Office for the Mac, and the Edu price (which is easy to qualify for in > most cases) is reasonable. Is MacOffice prone to viruses in the same way as the Windows version...? What about, say, sharing Word documents between Windows and Mac platforms? Could a virus be transferred to the Mac platform that way...? Could a Word macro virus do any damage on my Mac Mini anyway, especially as I don't use the admin account for regular work...?
Jon - 29 Dec 2006 16:19 GMT > Is MacOffice prone to viruses in the same way as the Windows version...? In the sense that a Mac Office document can contain a virus, yes.
> What about, say, sharing Word documents between Windows and Mac platforms? > Could a virus be transferred to the Mac platform that way...? Yes. It could be transferred, but see below.
> Could a Word > macro virus do any damage on my Mac Mini anyway, especially as I don't use > the admin account for regular work...? No, and that is my point: The virus that gets transferred is a PC virus (99,.99...% certainly) and will most likely not affect your Mac at all, but could potentially affect your PC friends' computers. This is - for me - the major, actually the only, reason to use antivirus software on my Mac.
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Mark Rae - 29 Dec 2006 16:45 GMT >> Could a Word >> macro virus do any damage on my Mac Mini anyway, especially as I don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > me - the major, actually the only, reason to use antivirus software on > my Mac. OK so, if I understand you correctly:
1) I'm working on my Mac Mini and I get an email from a colleague with a Word document attachment containing a virus.
2) I open the attachment to work on it - nothing tells me that it contains a Word virus because I don't have any AV software on my Mac.
3) The Word virus tries to do its stuff but can't, because there's no Windows OS for it to do its stuff on...
4) I save the document and then email it to another colleague running WinWord, unwittingly transmitting the virus along with the document.
Is that the issue...? Without AV software on my Mac, I could be unknowingly assisting in the propagation of Windows viruses...?
Jon - 29 Dec 2006 16:50 GMT > Is that the issue...? Without AV software on my Mac, I could be unknowingly > assisting in the propagation of Windows viruses...? Exactly. That is the issue. :-)
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Jeff Wiseman - 29 Dec 2006 17:18 GMT >>Is that the issue...? Without AV software on my Mac, I could be unknowingly >>assisting in the propagation of Windows viruses...? > > Exactly. That is the issue. :-) As I understand it, it could also be worse if you are actually creating and editing Microsoft type documents (e.g., Word). The macro virus embedded in a Microsoft type file attachment in an email can infect your Normal template. This means that until you delete your normal template, every single new word document that you create will have the macro virus in it. Also depending on the nature of the virus, opening any of the documents that you created with an infected Normal template will re-infect the Normal template even if you deleted the original infected one after creating other documents.
Also, I believe that Excel and Powerpoint use the Normal template and so are vulnerable as well.
This is as it would occur on a regular Windows PC because that is exactly how the Microsoft software was DESIGNED to work (i.e., these are not bugs--they are just poorly designed applications)
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Richard Maine - 29 Dec 2006 17:02 GMT > OK so, if I understand you correctly: ... details elided
> Is that the issue...? Without AV software on my Mac, I could be unknowingly > assisting in the propagation of Windows viruses...? Yes.
Of course, the other solution to that is not to forward suspicious emails (and to have a healthy degree of suspicion). I don't run any anti-virus software on my Macs at home, and I don't feel the need to. I do run it on my Mac at work because it is mandated there. (Norton even, and yes, it is occasionally a PITA). The mandate even makes a certain amount of sense I suppose because some people, including some at my workplace, are more clueless than I can readily imagine. Some of the malware email can be subtle - enough so that my daughter, who is both smart and cautious, got caught once - but these are people who really believe that some Nigerian wants to give them a few million dollars out of the blue....
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Mark Rae - 29 Dec 2006 17:54 GMT > Of course, the other solution to that is not to forward suspicious > emails (and to have a healthy degree of suspicion). Sure, and no-one in their right mind would ever do that.
However, I was talking about sharing work with colleagues whom I've known and worked with for years, and who (through their own negligence or whatever) pick up an MS-Office virus. Can't hurt my Mac (or my Windows network because that is protected with AV software), but the last thing I want to do is give it to someone else who is too stupid to install AV on their Windows machine(s)...
Hugh Watkins - 29 Dec 2006 22:49 GMT >>Of course, the other solution to that is not to forward suspicious >>emails (and to have a healthy degree of suspicion). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > want to do is give it to someone else who is too stupid to install AV on > their Windows machine(s)... just use text with no illustrations
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Gregory Weston - 29 Dec 2006 13:14 GMT > Hi there > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Been used to Windows up until now - and so unsure what is best for > Anti-virus protection etc. The best protection against viruses and other forms of malware on Mac OS X is a user who thinks twice before double-clicking something. The vectors leveraged by the great majority of cheap-n-easy Windows malware simply don't exist on the Mac and for the most part an attack on a Mac requires either a careless user (one who opens unsolicited files they receive without question) or a machine that's already technically compromised. One key tip: When you first set up your machine, you will create an admin user. Don't actually use that one for your day-to-day use; create a second user that doesn't have admin rights. Then as long as you don't get into the habit of blindly authenticating any time you're prompted, you've pretty much protected everything outside your own data from both malicious and accidental corruption.
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CaliDervish - 30 Dec 2006 17:41 GMT > Hi there Just bought a Mac book and thinking about getting an iMac as a desktop.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Macs.
Some resources and all my opinion:
Have you looked at the info at apple.com? The discussions are very helpful.
http://www.apple.com/support/quickassist and http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/
http://www.xvsxp.com/ http://www.switchingtomac.com
try: macfixit.com forums and everymac.com, as well.
In general, get as much memory as you can.
Bootcamp or Parallels (better choice thought by many) and run Windows if you miss it :]
Here is something from one of the discussions: Boot Camp may be known as the shortest relevant product Apple Has ever offered. It is IMMEDIATELY irrelevant.
And now the Parallels' solution is official. You can run Windows IN A WINDOW of your OS X now. This lets you run Windows ONLY when you NEED TO and without the cumbersome time consuming Dual Boot Camp BAD SOLUTION. (http://www.parallels.com/en/news/id,8655)
(http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/) This solution is totally safe since you can replace any infected setup with an uninfected setup in less than a minute!!! Totally superior solution to Boot Camp.
No worry about viruses! see here: (http://tinyurl.com/mf5lb) Do not put Norton on your Mac, or anything Microsoft if you can avoid it. IE is no longer supported for Macs, anyhow. Your Firewall should be turned on and you will be fine.
Browsers: Safari, Firefox, Camino and SeaMonkey from Mozilla, and Opera, are all ones I use all the time...frequently switching back & forth.
re: videos at websites...there are some glitches with Quciktime 7.1.1, at the moment, so you may want to stay with 7.0.4. There are many choices for other video helpers at: versiontracker.com. some people really like: VLC player. I have VLC, WMV, QT, DivX and RP.
See also, and MacIntel discussion at google groups, too. And, excellent imac chat at Yahoo.
The fabulous folks at Tekserve in NYC have a free downloadable PDF FAQ/trouble shooting guide that just about everyone could find useful: (http://tinyurl.com/p4ol8)
For more help try MacUser group in your area: (http://www.apple.com/usergroups)
David Pogues The Missing Manual Series of books are indispensable! Just make sure to get the correct version for your particular OS!
Get a Unix utility for regular maintenance, like: Macaroni from atomicbird.com, or Onyx or Cocktail These work automatically. You can also find out more at Versiontracker.com
And, of course, back-up, back-up, back-up. I and others like SuperDuper for its ease and the fact it makes complete bootable back up.
When doing upgrades from Apple, Don't Do it from the automatic software upgrade (turn this off) but, rather go to the Apple site and download from there.
You can also sign up for Kbase info from apple, too.
Another invaluable resource, is the great Randy B. Singer: http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
Have Fun Cali
Mikey_Jax - 31 Dec 2006 16:07 GMT Wow!
Thanks everyone for all the help.
I think I will definitely get an iMac as a desktop to go with the Macbook.
Don't think Parallels will be needed - not going to miss MS at all!!
Thanks
Mikey_Jax
> > Hi there > Just bought a Mac book and thinking about getting an iMac as a [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Have Fun > Cali
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