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DVD+R discs: no simulation possible?

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Flash - 21 Sep 2006 01:07 GMT
I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
Gerry - 21 Sep 2006 01:45 GMT
> I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?

Depends on which model computer you have, earlier models could only burn
to DVD-R.
Flash - 21 Sep 2006 15:04 GMT
> > I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> > can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
>
> Depends on which model computer you have, earlier models could only burn
> to DVD-R.

It burns fine.  It just won't let me do a simulation before I burn.  The
simulation area is all greyed out.  Am I missing something?
Gerry - 21 Sep 2006 18:35 GMT
> > > I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> > > can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
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> It burns fine.  It just won't let me do a simulation before I burn.  The
> simulation area is all greyed out.  Am I missing something?

I had to check Toast's help file to learn what you meant by "simulation"
since this is a feature I've never used. From help it states:

Simulation Mode: Select this option if you want to simulate the process
of recording a disc. You might do this to make sure that the write speed
you have selected is appropriate for your computer.

Other than this why are you using the simulation mode? As I said I've
never used it and don't understand why I should.
Flash - 21 Sep 2006 23:44 GMT
> > > > I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> > > > can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
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> Other than this why are you using the simulation mode? As I said I've
> never used it and don't understand why I should.

If you have disk problems, using this alerts you to this or any other
problems and prevents a wasted disc.  Or multiple wasted disks.  Takes a
few minutes though.
David Empson - 22 Sep 2006 17:06 GMT
> > > > I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> > > > can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
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> Other than this why are you using the simulation mode? As I said I've
> never used it and don't understand why I should.

Simulation mode works by going through the motions of writing the CD,
but without activating the laser to actually burn the CD.

It was important back in the dark ages before Buffer Underrun protection
and when CD-R media was more expensive. With early CD writers, the
computer had to be able to sustain the data transfer rate required for
the speed chosen when burning the CD, i.e. not let the CD writer run out
of data. If there was even a momentary delay in delivering data which
allowed the CD writer's buffer to empty, then it immediately stopped
writing and reported a failure, resulting in a useless CD.

Using Simulation mode was a good was to ensure the burn would work
(assuming no changed circumstances on the computer in a subsequent real
burn), because it would report the same error if there was a buffer
underrun, but without wasting a CD in the process.

Nowadays, buffer underrun protection allows the CD writer to pause and
resume, which is OK for 99% of cases but it might still be useful to
turn off buffer underrun protection if doing something like burning a
master CD for professional replication (which must have no underrun
errors or the duplication process might fail, which could be very
expensive). In this case, simulation mode can be used to ensure that the
original CD will burn without wasting a blank.

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Flash - 22 Sep 2006 23:10 GMT
> > > > > I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> > > > > can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
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> expensive). In this case, simulation mode can be used to ensure that the
> original CD will burn without wasting a blank.

Well that was a very informative history lesson.  Now how about if
someone might know about the original question.  And yes, its extremely
useful for my flakey burner.  I hate wasting blanks when I only have a
few left.  It takes a few seconds to set it up, then a few minutes later
I check to see if the simulation worked.  Very useful indeed.

So can anyone do a simulation with a DVD+R disk in Toast 7?
bim - 29 Sep 2006 18:53 GMT
My Simulation Mode is not grayed out. I have OS X 10.4.7, Toast 7.0.
I just did one (DVD-R) in simulation mode - worked fine.
(I have an older drive that doesn't support DVD+R.)

> Well that was a very informative history lesson.  Now how about if
> someone might know about the original question.  And yes, its extremely
> useful for my flakey burner.  I hate wasting blanks when I only have a
> few left.  It takes a few seconds to set it up, then a few minutes
> later I check to see if the simulation worked.  Very useful indeed.
> So can anyone do a simulation with a DVD+R disk in Toast 7?
Malcolm - 30 Sep 2006 07:56 GMT
> I notice that in Toast 7.0 using OS X 10.4.7 when I use a DVD+R disc I
> can't simulate a burn.  Is this normal?
The DVD+R format allows the drive to stop writing, then continue
writing where it left off, without causing problems, so there is no
need to test the writing speed.
 
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