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Mac Forum / General / General / August 2006Newbie Question: As I upgrade OS systems, can I delete older ones?
I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old systems being used, or are they just taking up space? If I am running OS 10.3.9, can I do something about the others? I only have a 10 GB hard drive on my iMac and each OS is like 70-100+ MB. Thanks, Jamie > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, > Jamie With OS X, in order to run Classic, you also need to have OS 9 installed. otherwise you cannot run Classic. Classic allows you run programs written for OS 9 within OS X. if you do not have any such programs, then you do not need OS 9. When you run normal (default) upgrades from OS 9 to 9.1 to 9.2, the older systems get replaced. If you do the upgrade by means of Clean Installs (an option), you are left with the old system folders on your hard drive minus the OS itself. So what you have is old Control Panels and Extensions, and some old Application Support files. You may not need any of those. if you are not running any applications that need them. So you can probably trash them. When you 10.2 to 10.3, if you do the normal (default) install of 10.3, it simply replaces all the 10.2 stuff. If you do Archive and Install (an option), it keeps a copy of the 10.2 stuff, which you then need to go through and see what you need to keep and trash the rest. But again, if you did normal installs, which is the default method, the install process gets rid of the old stuff.  SignatureFor email, change <fake> to <earthlink> Bill Collins > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old > systems being used, or are they just taking up space? If I am running > OS 10.3.9, can I do something about the others? Mac OS 9 first: unless you did something very unusual, the 9.1, 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 updates have just replaced files in "System Folder" and related Mac OS 9 folders such as "Applications (Mac OS 9)". Files from your 9.0.x and 9.1 installations have been replaced/updated and are not occupying unnecessary disk space. The only exception might be if you had a "full install" CD of 9.1 and/or 9.2.1, and you deliberately chose to do a "clean install". This would have left behind a copy of the previous version of the system software. I haven't done this for a while so I forget offhand what name is used for the old system folder ("Previous System Folder", I think). With Mac OS X, the main question is exactly how you intalled Mac OS X 10.3 on top of the 10.2 installation. If you used the default installation method, or did an "upgrade" install, then 10.2 has been completely replaced/updated by 10.3 and is no longer occupying any disk space. If you chose the "Archive and Install" method, then there will be a "Previous Systems" folder at the top level of your hard drive, which will contain some leftover files from 10.2 and may be occupying a lot of disk space. The only use for this folder is to manually extract files which the installer might not have realised that you needed (e.g. some third-party software, not part of Apple's standard installation). Assuming you have no such software installed yet, you can safely delete everything in "Previous Systems". > I only have a 10 GB hard drive on my iMac and each OS is like 70-100+ > MB. Mac OS 9.x is in the order of 150 MB for a basic installation of the operating system. Mac OS X is quite variable depending on the version, what options you picked at installation time, and whether you were installing from a standalone retail copy or a machine-specific copy (which includes bundled software). A full install of 10.2 is in the order of 2 GB. A full install of 10.3 is in the order of 3 GB. Bundled software might add anything from a few hundred MB to several GB, depending on the software bundled with the computer. The only practical way to cut down the size of a Mac OS X installation is to be brutal about installing optional features: you can save several hundred megabytes by not installing foreign languages and printer drivers. SignatureDavid Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz Thank you all for the advice. I hit a roadblock: I think I updated 10.2.X as far as I could go. I understand 10.3.x is not an upgrade (free) from 10.2.x, but my university has a 10.3 disc and my tech gave me a copy (burned). I inserted the CD, it restarted the computer and it sat on a blue screen with spinning wheel for 30+ minutes. It didn't even sound like anything was happening. Can 10.3 go on an iMac? Is this normal? I would have expected some confirmation of a problem or files loading. Jamie > > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > hundred megabytes by not installing foreign languages and printer > drivers. > Thank you all for the advice. I hit a roadblock: > > I think I updated 10.2.X as far as I could go. I understand 10.3.x is > not an upgrade (free) from 10.2.x, but my university has a 10.3 disc > and my tech gave me a copy (burned). I've stayed out of this so far, but something stinks here. Why in Grid's name would you go through the process you described when you could just install 10.3 and be done? Either your "tech" is an incompetent fool, or you're having us on (AKA trolling). Dave, Hi. No trolling here. I am a web developer at a Texas university where PCs are the norm and Macs are used by various groups and are trying to be pushed out by Tech services because they don't want to support them. I always wanted to develop on a mac, so I am grabbing them as they are surplused through. Long story short -- our network guy sold me an iMac he bought on eBay for $50. It had no hard drive or RAM, so he dropped a 10 gig HD in and 256 RAM. He installed 9.2 on it when I got it. I inserted the 10.2 CD (original licensed academic copy) and began installing. A tech suggested I go straight to 10.3 and before my install was complete he pulled the power chord, prepared to boot off of 10.3 and just go from there. Everything crashed, I lost my screen and nothing would boot. FINALLY I got the system to boot a restore disc for iMacs and I spent ALL DAY installing 9.0, 9.2, firmware and then 10.2 and updates. I was told (I am not a Mac knowledgeable person), that I had to have 9.2 before I could do OS X. So, I followed the steps, progressed all the way to 10.2 and realized I have no audio on this iMac. I was told here to up to 10.3 and see what happens. So, here I am. I am a Mac newbie just doing what I am told. Thanks. PS: the copy of 10.3 I have is legal and licensed. We buy copies for our university at school prices. The only thing is that it is a burned copy and not an original. Help. Jamie > In article <1156644294.481654.65990@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Either your "tech" is an incompetent fool, or you're having us on (AKA > trolling). >PS: the copy of 10.3 I have is legal and licensed. We buy copies for >our university at school prices. The only thing is that it is a burned >copy and not an original. > >Help. Sounds like you need Panther CDs (or DVDs, if your iMac has a DVD drive) that contain a universal installer that will install 10.3 on any machine (assuming your iMac meets the minimum requirements for Panther -- G3, G4 or G5 processor/built-in USB/at least 128 MB of physical RAM and a built-in display). The fact that your CDs are burned is neither here nor there -- I'm running Panther right now on an iMac DV SE that was installed from CDs that were burned. I bought factory Panther DVDs that were designed for a Mac mini from a guy on eBay, and he included burned CDs with a universal installer so there wouldn't be any problems installing the system on any model Macintosh. It was only a 10.3.1 system, but I upgraded it to 10.3.9 online (a time-consuming PITB since I'm on dial-up, but I got it done). With 10.2, here is as far as I can get: 1- Insert 10.3 CD 2- I open the CD and see the read me files and install file. I click to install 3- I get a message to click to restart for install. I restart 4- System restarts and I get a white screen with an Apple and spinning wheel. OS X screen opens and status bar saying Preparing to Install. Screen goes blue with spinning wheel and stays there. That's it. > >PS: the copy of 10.3 I have is legal and licensed. We buy copies for > >our university at school prices. The only thing is that it is a burned [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Macintosh. It was only a 10.3.1 system, but I upgraded it to 10.3.9 online > (a time-consuming PITB since I'm on dial-up, but I got it done). > 1- Insert 10.3 CD > 2- I open the CD and see the read me files and install file. I click to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wheel. OS X screen opens and status bar saying Preparing to Install. > Screen goes blue with spinning wheel and stays there. Try booting from the 10.3 disk; hold down the C key while booting the computer. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > With 10.2, here is as far as I can get: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's it. Make sure you have done the Firmware update for your computer model, both before installing Mac OS X and especially before deleting Mac OS IX. On the later Mac OS X.4.7, restart did not work for me and someone else in the newsgroup: the computer had to be shut down completely, and then started again. SignatureHans Aberg I got audio back!!! I took an audio input plug from a headphone and inserted it into each audio output jack and sort of reamed them out. I think something must have gotten stuck when I was disassembling and re-assembling the iMac numerous times and this corrected it. Scared the bejeezus out of me when music came blaring out. LOL Thanks! > > With 10.2, here is as far as I can get: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the newsgroup: the computer had to be shut down completely, and then > started again. > 1- Insert 10.3 CD > 2- I open the CD and see the read me files and install file. I click to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wheel. OS X screen opens and status bar saying Preparing to Install. > Screen goes blue with spinning wheel and stays there. This often happens if you try to use a 10.3 installer CD that came with some other computer. If you use an installer CD that comes with a computer on a different model of computer, it won't work. SignatureArt, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html Nanohazard, Geek shirts, and more: http://www.villaintees.com > > 1- Insert 10.3 CD > > 2- I open the CD and see the read me files and install file. I click to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html > Nanohazard, Geek shirts, and more: http://www.villaintees.com I can't belive someone actually did this!! Why not better reformat the HD and just install the latest OS?? Dreamkeeperu44133 ------ Wanna spend some good time? <a href=http://uc.gamestotal.com/>Unification Wars</a> Thanks to everyone for all of the input. To avoid a lot of repeat suggestions, I did attempt the following to no avail: Once the original install attempt crashed, we re-formatted the hard drive and attempted to go straight to 10.2 - which was the highest OS we had on original CD. We could not get the iMac to even boot off of this CD. For a few hours, the iMac wouldn't boot off of anything. It would power on and then shut off, off and on, and if and when it did boot and I could hear the CD spinning, the screen was always black with no display at all. After several hours of this, we found an iMac restoration disc that, for the first time, gave us a display --- VERY poor display. The only thing that would then boot was 9.0. So that's why I progessed up the ladder from 9.0 to 10.2.X. I am sure it was much to do with my newbie-ness, but on the bright side I learned a LOT that day! LOL Jamie > > > 1- Insert 10.3 CD > > > 2- I open the CD and see the read me files and install file. I click to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Wanna spend some good time? > <a href=http://uc.gamestotal.com/>Unification Wars</a> OK, back at work and spoke with the tech again. I told him that when I insert the copy of the 10.3 OS disc he gave me, it goes normally until it hits a blue screen and then just sits with a spinning wheel for a LONG time. I assumed it was hung. He said that for those discs, it usually takes 45 minutes to an hour to boot. I waited about 35 and cancelled. Very weird, indeed! Jamie > > 1- Insert 10.3 CD > > 2- I open the CD and see the read me files and install file. I click to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html > Nanohazard, Geek shirts, and more: http://www.villaintees.com > OK, back at work and spoke with the tech again. I told him that when I > insert the copy of the 10.3 OS disc he gave me, it goes normally until [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > He said that for those discs, it usually takes 45 minutes to an hour to > boot. A 10.3 CD takes about 5 minutes to boot, certainly not 45. A possible explanation is that the iMac is having trouble reading that CD-R. It might be an issue with the specific brand of media used: try getting your tech to burn a copy of the 10.3 CD on a different media brand. I've found Verbatim Datalife Plus CDs (deep blue tint) are generally pretty good. A similar issue is that the iMac CD drive lens might be dirty. I've had a fair amount of success getting tray-loading CD-ROM drives working with CD-R media again by using a can of compressed air to blow dust off the laser lens. This isn't possible with a slot-loading drive, and if I remember right, your iMac is 350 MHz (slowest one with a slot-loading drive). Another possible explanation is that this tech doesn't know what he is doing and managed to screw up the copy of 10.3. This seems less likely (despite all the other evidence of his lack of computer skills) as the most common failure modes would result in the CD not even starting to boot. SignatureDavid Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz I agree with all of the above, thanks. I do have the 350 mhz iMac and think it weird that Mac would design a system that takes 45 minutes to boot with no status update. I am sure there is much fault with my less than Mac savvy tech, but considering he's the only one around -- sometimes I take the good with the bad. Anyway, I am learning. PS: this forum is really good. You all are active and super fast to reply. Thanks again for all of the help. > > OK, back at work and spoke with the tech again. I told him that when I > > insert the copy of the 10.3 OS disc he gave me, it goes normally until [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > most common failure modes would result in the CD not even starting to > boot. > I agree with all of the above, thanks. I do have the 350 mhz iMac and > think it weird that Mac would design a system that takes 45 minutes to > boot with no status update. They didn't. Your problem is not the result poor design on the part of Apple. 1. As you recognize, it may be partly your reliance on a tech whose knowledge of, and experience with Macs leaves something to be desired. Anyone who suggests that it might take 45 minutes to boot up a Mac is totally incompetent--unless he is just trying to get you off his back. 2. It is very likely that the CDs you are using are at least part of the problem. Why not get an original CD intended for use with your computer? 3. If that doesn't solve your problem, then it is likely that there is indeed something wrong with your computer, but not something due to poor design by Apple. Yes, you can get a lot of good help here but there is no substitute for a 'hands-on' analysis by a competent Mac tech. As you are learning, if you yourself are not all that familiar with a Mac, and neither is the person you ask for help, continuing frustration is more likely than a solution. > > I agree with all of the above, thanks. I do have the 350 mhz iMac and > > think it weird that Mac would design a system that takes 45 minutes to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Anyone who suggests that it might take 45 minutes to boot up a Mac is > totally incompetent--unless he is just trying to get you off his back. Actually, it may, if one shuts it down not in the normal way. If one has a digital DVI monitor, the screen may even be pitch black, making it look as though the computer is broken. With Mac OS 10.4.7, one may have to shut it down completely, and restart it, not once, but twice. So leave it on for say 1 and 1/2 hours, then shut it down completely, restart, and wait for another 1 1/2 hour. If it does not start then, it may be broken. The reason for these delays seems to be that Mac OS X has some repair software, which takes a very long time to run. SignatureHans Aberg Everything works fine on the computer now. I am at 10.2.X and will again attempt a 10.3.X install tonight. I've been through several CDs installing OSs and all now work well. The only OS that has given me a problem is this copy of 10.3. My situation is that I am 75 miles from the nearest decent size town (Dallas), and in my tiny town there is no Mac tech. The university I work for doesn't have anyone to support Macs except for the occasional student worker who has learned on his/her own. Me, I just wanted a $50 iMac to bring home and use or let my 5 year old son start to learn on and so I don't plan on investing any $$ in this iMac. I am not frustrated, I love to learn how this system works and this has been quite the learning experience. I hope to own a newer Mac in the future and use Macs more and more over time. Thank you all again. > > > I agree with all of the above, thanks. I do have the 350 mhz iMac and > > > think it weird that Mac would design a system that takes 45 minutes to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > reason for these delays seems to be that Mac OS X has some repair > software, which takes a very long time to run. > Me, I just wanted a $50 iMac to bring home and use or let my 5 year old > son start to learn on and so I don't plan on investing any $$ in this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > been quite the learning experience. I hope to own a newer Mac in the > future and use Macs more and more over time. Actually, it is good if you learn this Mac and Mac OS X, because you can then get to know more exactly what Mac model you want for yourself. You might put more RAM into this Mac, and a new hard drive, and a new optical drive - these are fairly inexpensive these days, though iMac's might be tricky to do such upgrades on. SignatureHans Aberg >Everything works fine on the computer now. I am at 10.2.X and will >again attempt a 10.3.X install tonight. Why don't you upgrade to 10.2.8 online through Apple first, that should be relatively painless. I am at 10.2.8 now. I tried the 10.3 disc but it was a DVD. The CD copy I have still doesn't work. I'll either leave it be or try and get a proper 10.3 CD. Thanks, JB > >Everything works fine on the computer now. I am at 10.2.X and will > >again attempt a 10.3.X install tonight. > > Why don't you upgrade to 10.2.8 online through Apple first, that should be > relatively painless. > I am at 10.2.8 now. I tried the 10.3 disc but it was a DVD. The CD copy > I have still doesn't work. I'll either leave it be or try and get a > proper 10.3 CD. It is probably better to get a DVD-reader, internal or external Firewire. SignatureHans Aberg > I am at 10.2.8 now. I tried the 10.3 disc but it was a DVD. The CD > copy I have still doesn't work. I'll either leave it be or try and > get a proper 10.3 CD. OK, that answers my question. The reason you've been having so many problems with 10.3 is that you haven't been using an original install disk, and the person who made the copy didn't do it properly. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" with OS 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will not install on this iMac using an external DVD. The DVD reads fine, I can boot off of the DVD and I get as far as a screen with an Apple image and a spinning wheel, then the Apple image goes away and I have a gray screen with a circle image with a slash through it. It looks like the One Way - Do not enter road sign. From there it just hangs. Well, I guess this older iMac isn't up to par. > > I am at 10.2.8 now. I tried the 10.3 disc but it was a DVD. The CD > > copy I have still doesn't work. I'll either leave it be or try and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > problems with 10.3 is that you haven't been using an original install > disk, and the person who made the copy didn't do it properly. Actually, I can read the DVD but it doesn't appear to be booting from the USB DVD. ?????? > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" with > OS 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > problems with 10.3 is that you haven't been using an original install > > disk, and the person who made the copy didn't do it properly. > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" with OS > 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will not install on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Well, I guess this older iMac isn't up to par. There are two types of Panther install disks, a generic install disk that will install on any system capable of hosting Panther, and a gray hardware specific disk that will only install on that hardware that is identified on its title. If the disk has the wording "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase--not to be sold separately" then that is a hardware specific disk. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com Hey James, I was down in Austin a month or so ago -- loved it. I'm up here in Commerce, 75 miles outside of Dallas. Hot! Anyway, I have a gray disc, but it does not say that. Also I have read on other posts that it is quite possible my iMac will not boot from a USB device. <sigh> JB > > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" with OS > > 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will not install on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > bundle purchase--not to be sold separately" then that is a hardware specific > disk. > Also I have read on other posts that it is quite possible my iMac will not > boot from a USB device. Depending on which iMac it is, it may be one of the few Macs that were USB bootable, but only in OS 9. Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart I'm learning a lot about Macs these days. One comment my blunderous tech made seems to hold true: Macs are great until you break one or go to tinkering with it. I know, if you know what you're doing then you'll have no problems. I think what I am saying is I think Macs were made for intelligent people. Sure, you don't have to be a genius to turn one on and use it, but it does require a few brain cells to make it go farther than it was intended to. My personal quote: "There aren't many things on earth more powerful than having a great mind, a computer and sufficient quantities of alcohol. Thank God I have 2 out of 3." > > Also I have read on other posts that it is quite possible my iMac will not > > boot from a USB device. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift > <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > I'm learning a lot about Macs these days. One comment my blunderous > tech made seems to hold true: > > Macs are great until you break one or go to tinkering with it. That line reminds me of a favorite saying of the carpenter who built my home: Only a poor workman blames his tools. > Sure, you don't have to be a genius to turn one on and use it, but it > does require a few brain cells to make it go farther than it was > intended to. That's true of all computers and many other things. On the other hand, I've heard it said that a wise man knows his limits and does not go beyond them. What puzzles me (and some others here) is why you are unwilling to approach your project in a sensible manner. If you want Tiger on your Mac, go out and buy an appropriate Tiger DVD and install it. That has been stated here several times and it is foolish to think there is any other way if your Mac knowledge is as limited as you say. I think from what I read, the highest I can go on my iMac is 10.3.9. For this to happen I think the solution lies with me needing to purchase a proper copy of 10.3 on CD so that I may boot from the internal CD drive. I have no firewire and I do not think the iMac will boot from a USB DVD (which I tried). I really don't care one way or the other what version I have on the thing, I was just scrounging whatever I could get from whomever I could get it from on the University and install it. This thing might end up in my kids room for all I know. I really like it, but the screen is so small I am sure I'll want a box and a nice flat panel. I have an old G4 here at work I use with a 17" LCD studio display. One of the backlight inverters is out and it's 1/2 dim. I think I'll spend the $100 and fix that guy. I can't wait to get into video editing on a mac. > > I'm learning a lot about Macs these days. One comment my blunderous > > tech made seems to hold true: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > That has been stated here several times and it is foolish to think there > is any other way if your Mac knowledge is as limited as you say. > I think from what I read, the highest I can go on my iMac is 10.3.9. > For this to happen I think the solution lies with me needing to > purchase a proper copy of 10.3 on CD so that I may boot from the > internal CD drive. I have no firewire and I do not think the iMac > will boot from a USB DVD (which I tried). That particular DVD will not boot up at all on that Macintosh. The version of OS X on that DVD is designed for a different model Macintosh. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > That line reminds me of a favorite saying of the carpenter who built my > home: > > Only a poor workman blames his tools. But it's an even poorer workman who stubbornly clings to poor tools. Not that this has anything to do with Macs. SignatureWes Groleau A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who. -- Chris Maeda Ha, ha, Dr. ..... Who's Chris Maeda? -- Wes Groleau > Hey James, > I was down in Austin a month or so ago -- loved it. I'm up here in > Commerce, 75 miles outside of Dallas. Hot! It's gotten much better this week. After weeks of > 100F temperatures, the weather now in the 90Fs has everyone celebrating. > Anyway, I have a gray disc, but it does not say that. Hmm. What does it say? > Also I have read > on other posts that it is quite possible my iMac will not boot from a > USB device. Yes. That is probable. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoted or HTML posts My Reply-To address is valid. > > Hey James, > > I was down in Austin a month or so ago -- loved it. I'm up here in > > Commerce, 75 miles outside of Dallas. Hot! > > It's gotten much better this week. After weeks of > 100F temperatures, > the weather now in the 90Fs has everyone celebrating. Bugger that! There is no point in temperatures above 75 and I refuse to order any :-) -- tim > Bugger that! There is no point in temperatures above 75 and I refuse > to order any :-) Temperature highs here are down to the high 90s and low 100s now; during the height of the Summer, highs were in the 110-117 range. I ordered them, and paid for them with temperatures below 40° F. I think that I got a good deal. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" > with OS 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will > not install on this iMac using an external DVD. That DVD is designed to install only onto a PowerMac G5 computer, and ships with the G5. You need a retail version of 10.3. > Well, I guess this older iMac isn't up to par. No, it's that you haven't been using the right installation disk. Regardless, if you're using your employer's Panther installation disk, you're in violation of the software license. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" with > OS 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will not > install on this iMac using an external DVD. You're just lucky it installed on the G4, because it's not supposed to work with anything but a Power mac G5, hence its label. Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" > > with OS 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will > > not install on this iMac using an external DVD. > > You're just lucky it installed on the G4, because it's not supposed > to work with anything but a Power mac G5, hence its label. I think that he meant that the G5 install disk was the 10.3 disk. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > > > OK, I am at 10.2.8 with a "Power Mac G5 Software and Install DVD" > > > with OS 10.3. I successfully installed this on my G4, but it will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think that he meant that the G5 install disk was the 10.3 disk. Yes, but he said he installed it on his G4 using that disk. Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > Everything works fine on the computer now. I am at 10.2.X and will > again attempt a 10.3.X install tonight. > > I've been through several CDs installing OSs and all now work well. > The only OS that has given me a problem is this copy of 10.3. I ask again, have you tried installing from an original 10.3 install disk, or have you been using copies all along? SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > Everything works fine on the computer now. I am at 10.2.X and will > again attempt a 10.3.X install tonight. > > I've been through several CDs installing OSs and all now work well. The > only OS that has given me a problem is this copy of 10.3. You 10.3 disk might be a DVD instead of a CD. If that iMac you have only has a CDROM in it you'll either need to find a CDROM set of the install or possibly find an extrenal DVDROM to connect to it. What are the specs on this iMac? How old is it? SignatureMT - Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 101010 I do have the 350 mhz iMac and > think it weird that Mac would design a system that takes 45 minutes to > boot with no status update. Sorry, I mis-spoke. I know Mac didn't design a system that takes 45 minutes to boot and if they had done that, I would think that to be weird. > I inserted the 10.2 CD (original licensed academic copy) and began > installing. A tech suggested I go straight to 10.3 and before my > install was complete he pulled the power chord, prepared to boot off of > 10.3 and just go from there. Ah, I wasn't paying attention and didn't realize you're THAT OS X installer. <g> > I was told (I am not a Mac knowledgeable person), that I had to have > 9.2 before I could do OS X. Complete bullshit. > PS: the copy of 10.3 I have is legal and licensed. We buy copies for > our university at school prices. The only thing is that it is a burned > copy and not an original. It's quite possible you have a bad copy. Ask for another burn, or the original disc. If you can install 10.2.8, I can't think of any reason you can't install 10.3.x if the install disc is a full install copy. > I was told (I am not a Mac knowledgeable person), that I had to have > 9.2 before I could do OS X. The only reasons you would need OS 9 would be if you had software that ran under OS 9 or if you needed to update the firmware. > So, I followed the steps, progressed all the way to 10.2 and realized > I have no audio on this iMac. I was told here to up to 10.3 and see > what happens. The version of the OS shouldn't affect whether you have audio or not. Considering that the computer didn't have any RAM or hard disk, I wouldn't be surprised if the audio hardware were flakey. It might just be a connector that's not plugged in to its socket. Maybe it was knocked loose when the hard drive and RAM were removed or replaced. > PS: the copy of 10.3 I have is legal and licensed. We buy copies for > our university at school prices. The only thing is that it is a > burned copy and not an original. Unless you have a site license, it is not legal. A copy of the CD will not work unless it was cloned, not copied. And from what you've written about your IT tech, I doubt that he knew what he was doing. You will need to install 10.3 from the original disks or from a net install if the IT department has set up a server for that purpose. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. > I understand 10.3.x is > not an upgrade (free) from 10.2.x, That is correct. It is not free. > but my university has a 10.3 disc > and my tech gave me a copy (burned). This, almost certainly, is the problem. > I inserted the CD, it restarted the computer and it sat on a blue > screen with spinning wheel for 30+ minutes. It didn't even sound like > anything was happening. You can probably purchase legal copies of 10.3 on eBay (you can't use the disks that were distributed with particular hardware, but you can use disks from a stand-alone version of 10.3. But you might just go out and buy 10.4. > Can 10.3 go on an iMac? It depends on the iMac, but generally "yes". > Is this normal? I would have expected some > confirmation of a problem or files loading. The problem is the 10.3 disk that you had. Buy a proper copy. I'll leave it to others to make recommendations about what you should tell the tech. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoted or HTML posts My Reply-To address is valid. > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old > systems being used, or are they just taking up space? If I am running > OS 10.3.9, can I do something about the others? As with Windows or any other operating system, the best practice is to start fresh with whatever OS you're going to use. The upgrade from 9 to 9.2.2 shouldn't be a problem, since hopefully you will only use it rarely. But I wouldn't be putting version after version of OS X on top of each other. > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old > systems being used No. Only the one you're starting up from. (The exception is that Mac OS X makes use of an installed Mac OS 9.2.x in order to provide the Classic Environment. But it's up to you to decide whether you need that environment, and thus whether you need to keep that Mac OS 9 install.) > , or are they just taking up space? They are, assuming they in fact are still on your disk. The installers offer an option to either install *over* what's already on your disk, or 'next' to it. So it depends on what options you chose in the installer. [...] > I only have a 10 GB hard drive on my iMac and each OS is like 70-100+ > MB. Mac OS X 10.3 requires at least 2 GB, depending on what parts you install, and you'll need to keep at least 1 or 2GB of disk space available far swap files (virtual memory). So yes, I would remove what you don't use. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" Thanks! > > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" > PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > I rebuilt a hard drive and started with OS 9, then 9.1, 9.2.X, 10.2.X > and now am going to 10.3.9 -- all in 24 hours. Are all of these old [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Jamie Hi Jamie: Your new OS 10.3.9 allows you to use the older OS 9.2 system in emulation for those applications that are OS 9.2 only. So if you throw out your OS 9.2 System Folder -- they will no longer work. Hope this helps Ian > Your new OS 10.3.9 allows you to use the older OS 9.2 system in emulation > for those applications that are OS 9.2 only. You probably mean he can run OS 9.2 in Classic mode, which is true. That's not emulation, though. Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart |
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