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mailpitches@email.com - 27 Jul 2006 06:24 GMT
Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
additional display using the cable provided by Apple, but is it
possible to add beyond that?

Thanks
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 27 Jul 2006 12:10 GMT
>Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
>Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
>additional display using the cable provided by Apple, but is it
>possible to add beyond that?

There's only one external video socket, so you're out of luck.

However... anyone tried one of these? They come with Windows drivers
but I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see that they work driverless
anyway: http://shopmatrox.com/europe/products/datasheet.asp?ID=306

    Cheers - Jaimie
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David Empson - 27 Jul 2006 13:32 GMT
> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
> additional display using the cable provided by Apple, but is it
> possible to add beyond that?

Probably not, but like to know if anyone can prove me wrong.

Consider the MacBook first.

The DVI connector doesn't support multiple displays.

The only other external connectors which theoretically allow a display
to be connected would be USB 2 (480 Mbps, but much less in reality),
Firewire (400 Mbps, probably able to almost achieve that) or Gigabit
Ethernet (1000 Mbps, might be able to get close to that).

To support a bare minimum VGA display (640x480 at 60 Hz with 256
colours) requires a data rate of about 147.5 Mbps, assuming no data
compression. A more reasonable "thousands of colours" would be double
that (295 Mbps), which is close to the achievable limit of USB 2
assuming no other devices are sharing the bus.

This all assumes that someone has actually made a display device which
can be connected to one of these ports, and Mac drivers to support it.
It would have to reserve a chunk of real RAM as a display buffer.

With a MacBook Pro, there is also the option of using the ExpressCard/34
slot. This could probably support higher data rates, but I don't know
whether it technically feasible to make a very small video card which
would fit in this slot (with its own video RAM and attendant heat
issues). Perhaps one which used main RAM as its video buffer and just
had the output circuitry on the card.

With both machines, it may be possible to get a limited display output
via the Firewire port, as you can send DV to a video output device, from
where it could go to a screen. This probably can't be used as a general
purpose display (expanding the desktop for use by any application)
because DV is compressed and the resulting video would only be viewable
on something resembling a standard or high definition TV, with limited
resolution and image quality. It might be feasible for special
applications (e.g. a dedicated application displaying video on a special
monitor while using the internal screen and one other external monitor
for the desktop display).

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zoara - 27 Jul 2006 13:44 GMT
> With a MacBook Pro, there is also the option of using the ExpressCard/34
> slot. This could probably support higher data rates, but I don't know
> whether it technically feasible to make a very small video card which
> would fit in this slot (with its own video RAM and attendant heat
> issues). Perhaps one which used main RAM as its video buffer and just
> had the output circuitry on the card.

Theoretically you could use the ExpressCard slot as a connector to an
external video-card-in-a-box with RAM and heatsinks and whatever.

Theoretically, of course. Presuming that it would be possible to shove the
data down there.

    -z-
John C. Randolph - 28 Jul 2006 02:37 GMT
>> With a MacBook Pro, there is also the option of using the ExpressCard/34
>> slot. This could probably support higher data rates, but I don't know
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Theoretically, of course. Presuming that it would be possible to shove the
> data down there.

The ExpressCard is a one-lane PCI-Express bus, together with a USB-2
bus.  This could be done, but the market for such a card would be tiny,
so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

-jcr
Chris Ridd - 27 Jul 2006 17:31 GMT
>> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
>> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> The DVI connector doesn't support multiple displays.

What about those dual link jobbies? Or is that just something for
driving the biggest Cinema display?

Cheers,

Chris
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 27 Jul 2006 21:51 GMT
>>> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
>>> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>What about those dual link jobbies? Or is that just something for
>driving the biggest Cinema display?

Dual link is just for higher data transfer rate. Single link uses
three signal pairs, dual link uses six. The other bits of the
signalling (clock, detect, DDC, +5V and any analog stuff) aren't
duplicated.

    Cheers - Jaimie
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David Empson - 27 Jul 2006 22:34 GMT
> >> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> >> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> What about those dual link jobbies? Or is that just something for
> driving the biggest Cinema display?

"Dual Link DVI" means it is able to deliver double the amount of data to
a single display (i.e. higher resolution). For example, a dual-link DVI
can support a 30" Apple Cinema Display, while a non-dual-link DVI can't.

I haven't heard of it also allowing the connection of two lower
resolution displays, but the name does suggest this might be possible.
If it is, then you would need some kind of cable splitter. If I remember
right, the MacBook doesn't support dual-link DVI, but the MacBook Pro
does. Some more research would be in order.

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Oxford - 28 Jul 2006 04:44 GMT
> > > The DVI connector doesn't support multiple displays.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> right, the MacBook doesn't support dual-link DVI, but the MacBook Pro
> does. Some more research would be in order.

you might give something like this a whirl... let us know it works...

http://www.compukart.com/products/individualItem.asp?groupcode=I3553

http://www.pcpartsinc.com/prods/DE-CableLot2.jpg
David Empson - 28 Jul 2006 21:46 GMT
> > > > The DVI connector doesn't support multiple displays.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> http://www.pcpartsinc.com/prods/DE-CableLot2.jpg

Those are signal splitters, which would allow connecting two monitors
displaying the same image. I'm assuming the OP wanted two independent
images.
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Oxford - 31 Jul 2006 03:16 GMT
> > http://www.compukart.com/products/individualItem.asp?groupcode=I3553
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> displaying the same image. I'm assuming the OP wanted two independent
> images.

sure, but if he is wanting "spanning" into a 3rd monitor... that's
simply not going to happen, unless he uses a soldering iron directly to
the motherboard.
Steve Hix - 28 Jul 2006 00:10 GMT
> > Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> > Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> issues). Perhaps one which used main RAM as its video buffer and just
> had the output circuitry on the card.

Should be possible; they exist for PC Card slots. Likely to appear in
the next year or so.
Tom Stiller - 27 Jul 2006 15:57 GMT
> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
> additional display using the cable provided by Apple, but is it
> possible to add beyond that?

How do you want to hook them up?  Do you want a desktop extended over
three or more monitors, or do you want the single monitor desktop
repeated on three or more monitors?  The first, probably not; the
second, possibly.

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UprightCitizen - 28 Jul 2006 10:03 GMT
> > Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> > Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> repeated on three or more monitors?  The first, probably not; the
> second, possibly.

On the MacBook is it possible to connect one monitor and have the desktop
extended? This would be great for something like Photoshop where you can put
all the tools on the MacBook screen but I dont know if this is possible.
Sandman - 28 Jul 2006 10:11 GMT
> > > Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> > > Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> extended? This would be great for something like Photoshop where you can put
> all the tools on the MacBook screen but I dont know if this is possible.

It is.

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Chris Ridd - 28 Jul 2006 12:26 GMT
>>> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
>>> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> On the MacBook is it possible to connect one monitor and have the desktop
> extended?

Yes.

Cheers,

Chris
Stefan - 27 Jul 2006 17:55 GMT
mailpitches@email.com schrieb:

> Is it possible to hook up two or more displays to a Macbook or Macbook
> Pro (in addition to the laptop display)? I know how to hook up one
> additional display using the cable provided by Apple, but is it
> possible to add beyond that?

Macbook no. Macbook Pro yes, if you can find a video card for the
ExpressCard slot. VillageTronic has such a PC Card, but not yet an
ExpressCard, but I am sure they are working on it.

Stefan
 
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