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maltese@gmail.com - 23 May 2006 18:36 GMT
Can anyone comment on their experience running XP on a Macbook (13")?
Smooth? Issues? Oddities?? Is 1GB RAM a must?

Call me crazy, but I was actually considering having two hard drives:
my primary Mac-only drive and then one with Boot Camp.  I'll only need
XP once in a blue moon, but I will indeed need it on occasion.
Thoughts?
Marc Heusser - 23 May 2006 19:55 GMT
> Can anyone comment on their experience running XP on a Macbook (13")?
> Smooth? Issues? Oddities?? Is 1GB RAM a must?
>
> Call me crazy, but I was actually considering having two hard drives:
> my primary Mac-only drive and then one with Boot Camp.  I'll only need
> XP once in a blue moon, but I will indeed need it on occasion.

http://www.parallels.com?

Marc

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Simon Slavin - 25 May 2006 23:01 GMT
On 23/05/2006, maltese@gmail.com wrote in message
<1148405777.575068.15520@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

> Can anyone comment on their experience running XP on a Macbook (13")?
> Smooth? Issues? Oddities?? Is 1GB RAM a must?
>
> Call me crazy, but I was actually considering having two hard drives:
> my primary Mac-only drive and then one with Boot Camp.  I'll only need
> XP once in a blue moon, but I will indeed need it on occasion.

Then you don't care about performance of a normal installation.  The
delays introduced by having to load things off of an external hard drive
will be far more significant than any other delays.

Simon.
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Nigel - 26 May 2006 01:46 GMT
in article e55arj$sok$2$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk, Simon Slavin at
slavins.delete.these.four.words@hearsay.demon.co.uk wrote on 26/5/06 8:01
AM:

> On 23/05/2006, maltese@gmail.com wrote in message
> <1148405777.575068.15520@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
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>
> Simon.
I think he meant partitioning the drive in 2.

Nigel
Mike Rosenberg - 26 May 2006 13:34 GMT
> >> Call me crazy, but I was actually considering having two hard drives:

[snip]

> I think he meant partitioning the drive in 2.

I'm almost certain that "two hard drives" means "two hard drives" and
not "one hard drive partitioned."

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maltese@gmail.com - 26 May 2006 20:13 GMT
I can settle this -- Randy read it correctly.  What I meant was that I
am considering two internal laptop hard drives, that I'd swap according
to need.  A May 16 Appleinsider suggested that replacing the MacBook
hard drive is as easy as replacing RAM.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750

I wouldn't run an OS off an attached drive (USB or Firewire -- besides
isn't USB2.0 a little faster anyways).  But it's a moot point -- I
don't think Boot Camp supports booting off an attached drive.  Can
anyone confirm that??

Thanks for the input guys.  The initial, succint Parallels response may
be the best one yet!

Cheers,
Mike

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> >> Call me crazy, but I was actually considering having two hard drives:

[snip]

> I think he meant partitioning the drive in 2.

I'm almost certain that "two hard drives" means "two hard drives" and
not "one hard drive partitioned."
Randy Howard - 26 May 2006 08:56 GMT
maltese@gmail.com wrote
(in article
<1148405777.575068.15520@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

> Can anyone comment on their experience running XP on a Macbook (13")?
> Smooth? Issues? Oddities?? Is 1GB RAM a must?

I'd think the more the merrier.  2GB?  :-)

> Call me crazy, but I was actually considering having two hard drives:
> my primary Mac-only drive and then one with Boot Camp.  I'll only need
> XP once in a blue moon, but I will indeed need it on occasion.
> Thoughts?

I have tried swapping drives inside of notebooks before.  It's
usually a pain.  Dell used to make (years ago) a notebook that
had a little easy to swap out drive carrier that would snap
in/out of the side of the case, so you could very easily swap
drives.  It was great for development as you could have 3 or 4
different operating systems and/or test configurations available
very quickly.

I'm thinking of doing something slightly different.  Is it
possible to combine boot camp with booting to an external
firewire drive?  I have a tiny (fits in my shirt pocket)
firewire drive enclosure with a 60GB drive inside, and it will
run completely off of a 6-pin firewire connection (at least on a
desktop, haven't tried it on a Macbook or Macbook Pro yet). I
would like to be able to install Windows on that, and only boot
from it when I want to, instead of chewing up the internal
drive's space with a mostly unused Windows partition.

Anybody know if that will work?

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Michelle Steiner - 26 May 2006 19:49 GMT
> I'm thinking of doing something slightly different.  Is it possible
> to combine boot camp with booting to an external firewire drive?  I
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> Anybody know if that will work?

No, not on the current beta.  Maybe in a later beta if there is one, and
most probably in the release version in 10.5

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Randy Howard - 26 May 2006 20:12 GMT
Michelle Steiner wrote
(in article <michelle-982064.11495926052006@news.west.cox.net>):

>> I'm thinking of doing something slightly different.  Is it possible
>> to combine boot camp with booting to an external firewire drive?  I
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> No, not on the current beta.  Maybe in a later beta if there is one, and
> most probably in the release version in 10.5

Thanks, at least there is some hope for the future.

As an update to the earlier bit, I tried the drive on the
macbook pro just now, and it gets plenty of power over firewire,
even when running off battery with about 53% charge showing on
the MBP battery.  I didn't beat on it for a long time or get a
feel for how it impacts battery life, but I will when I get more
time for that.

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Garner Miller - 26 May 2006 22:39 GMT
> I have tried swapping drives inside of notebooks before.  It's
> usually a pain.  Dell used to make (years ago) a notebook that
> had a little easy to swap out drive carrier that would snap
> in/out of the side of the case, so you could very easily swap
> drives.

This is *almost* as easy.  Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6ckjy-gdY

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Randy Howard - 27 May 2006 00:15 GMT
Garner Miller wrote
(in article <260520061739025505%garner@netstreet.net>):

>> I have tried swapping drives inside of notebooks before.  It's
>> usually a pain.  Dell used to make (years ago) a notebook that
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6ckjy-gdY

Not even close to as easy.  You're joking, right?

No case opening, no screwdriver, nada.  Just flip a switch and
pull out the drive.  You just bought a spare carrier or two and
installed drives, off to the races.

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Garner Miller - 27 May 2006 00:32 GMT
> > This is *almost* as easy.  Check it out:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6ckjy-gdY
>
> Not even close to as easy.  You're joking, right?

Well, it's not pop-it-out-of-the-side easy, no.  But compared to
gutting the notebook to get at the drive as you mentioned earlier in
the message, it's sure a lot better.

But it's not hot-swapping, no, not even close.  I haven't seen that
since my Powerbook G3 Series died.  The modular system (drives,
batteries, etc.) was very clever.

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maltese@gmail.com - 31 May 2006 18:04 GMT
Wow, great link! The screws could be the deal-killer for my idea.
Buuuuut, perhaps I just leave the screws out if I'm really serious.
Hmmmm...

> This is *almost* as easy.  Check it out:
>
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> Clifton Park, NY =USA=
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