Mac Forum / Country Specific / UK Mac Group / August 2008

running a very real risk for all concerned of being hauled up in front of the
judge and being banged up for contempt of court.

Go on then.

<puzzled>

But the guide is not meant to give data on what it is that they have
done, so your judgement shows nothing at all.

Well, it could, if it weren't for the fact that that suggestion is
laughably absurd.  And you'd know that if you knew me - which you don't,
which means that your suggestion cannot have any validity.

So what's going on here?  You've come up with an personal attack based
on nothing but your personal prejudice against me personally.

You've made that personally prejudiced personal attack with no basis in
fact, evidence, or reality as a tactic to avoid addressing the issue
that I've brought up.

Consider that this is aggression is problem that I specified that I only
met in Manchester and S. Lancs.

I don't see a lot of it on Merseyside, in Cheshire, in London (or
surrounding counties; I've lived in Middx and Kent), in Wales, the
Midlands (east or west), in Yorkshire, in the South West or even on the
South Coast (not even places like Brighton or Portsmouth or Southampton,
where rough people are often found) - or in fact any part of the UK that
I have visited or lived in aside from Manchester and S. Lancs.

The evidence is that the problem is unquestionably one of aggression in
the local culture of Manchester and S. Lancs.

It's local, you see - put me somewhere else, and I don't meet this
wide-spread aggression.

If it were, as you suggest, a problem with *me*, then I'd meet this sort
of thing everywhere.  But I don't - as you know.  Here's me, pointing
out that your personal attack against my personality was made by you in
a consciously dishonest fashion: you knew it had to be bullshit because
you knew that the problem I met was local to a particular geographical
region so it can't be down to *ME*.

Nasty-minded lies expressed in an excessively aggressive fashion -
that's the behaviour you've just displayed, that is.  You smell like a
typical vilely aggressive Manc, you do (vilely aggressive Mancs are
distinct from decent Mancunian folk).

Furthermore, who says it's just me who's met that sort of thing?  It's
not - it's me and many of my friends and acquaintances.  I have noticed
the local cultural problem with aggression, as have many people I have
known living in Manchester and S. Lancs (anywhere up to about
Blackburn/Oswaldtwistle/Accrington).  We have swapped notes.  I've
suffered a lot less than others I have known - in large part because I'm
capable of being *very* charming and disarming in person as you'd know
if you'd ever met me (unless my head is not on straight, in which case I
tend to get smacked in the face before I have a chance to say anything -
in Manchester, if not in London or on Merseyside).

But there's an interesting point here: the aggressive attitude you are
exhibiting here is exactly the sort of over-the-top totally gratutious
aggression I meet in Manchester - I get the idea that the reason you
think claim that what I see doesn't exist is that you're one of the
nastily aggressive people I have trouble with.

In other words, you're claiming that Mancs aren't nastily aggressive
because they look normal to you - which is true from your point of view,
because you suffer from the same nastily aggressive personality that the
typical nastily aggressive Manc suffers from.

And don't tell me that you don't suffer from that nastily aggressive
personality defect: you've exhibited it in the news posting I'm
responding to.

So pardon me if I take the trouble to keep well clear of you - your
behaviour is socially unacceptable as far as I'm concerned because it's
so nastily aggressive.

I have friends in Manchester even now.  I still visit.  I still meet the
scarily aggressive people - sometimes introduced to them as friends and
acquaintances of those I know.

There's a cultural problem - and you seem to suffer from the same thing.

It's easy enough to do that in Manchester.  All you have to do is to be
Southern and middle class.

But joking aside, it seems to me that you're exhibiting more of the
nasty in your face aggressiveness that I loathe nastily aggressive Mancs
for - you're one of the type that I'm talking about, regardless of
whether or you got the personality defect from Manchester or somewhere
else entirely.

Nope, another observation from experience.  Can you not tell the
difference?

Oh yes you have - but you're nastily aggressive yourself.

You work in a nastily aggressive mode by default, so you you expect that
sort of behaviour from others (anyone who's nastily aggressive like you
are will provoke nasty aggression in others); the fact that there's a
lot of nasty aggressiveness around you is something that's normal for
you.  So you'll not notice any difference: you get people treating you a
certain way wherever you go, because of your antisocially aggressive
default manner.

It's not normal for me to meet nasty aggressive behaviour, since I
generally do not provoke such behaviour (as you do) - only in Manchester
and S. Lancs do I meet a lot of nasty aggression.

Ah - well, I've never been in that sort of position.  I've never let
myself be mugged when drunk.  I'm not that stupid.  I've always paid
careful attention to looking after myself.

A cheery smile and a wave has disarmed people I have suspected were
thinking of mugging me on occasion in Manchester.  Lest you think that
was paranoia on my part, this was in Hulme before the re-build at a time
when I was a student and knew a lot of students who *had* been mugged
there.

And this is in an area where I once saw two cars chasing each other,
with gun shots being fired.  I thought `Right, I'm out of the line of
fire at the moment, that's a big lump of reinforced concrete over there
called `the block of flats I live in', my legs seem to be working, ah
good the reinforced concrete is now between me and the guns.'

<puzzled>  But I said it was a world designed by Harry Harrison.
Everyone responds to the treatment, which is both fully effective and
fully humane (humane is /very/ important to Harrison).  See what's done
to Angelina in `The Stainless Steel Rat' - one of the first uses of the
method.

Not that you'd read a novel, I don't suppose.

Rowland.